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Oil in the playoffs used 16 players age 30 or older, 2 under age 25. Florida was 8 and 1, the one being Lundell who led the team at +19.
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Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
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DawgDad wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:54 pm Oil in the playoffs used 16 players age 30 or older, 2 under age 25. Florida was 8 and 1, the one being Lundell who led the team at +19.
Wow only 3 total players under 25 used by both teams?! Off the top of my head the Blues used 7….6 if Torpo turned 25. I guess it’s because both teams have traded away picks or drafted high for a while. Of course EDM should have had 4 players lol
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Roundhouse wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:57 pm Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.


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Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:09 pm
Roundhouse wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:57 pm Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.


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Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?
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Gotta be tough to be an Oil fan, won a Cup in '90 and 0-3 since then and now it appears they will have a hard time getting back soon without some kind of GM masterclass moves
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Harry S Deals wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:25 pm Gotta be tough to be an Oil fan, won a Cup in '90 and 0-3 since then and now it appears they will have a hard time getting back soon without some kind of GM masterclass moves
You said the same thing when they lost Broberg
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bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:17 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:09 pm
Roundhouse wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:57 pm Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.


From WIKIPEDIA
Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?
Reggie Leach - Philadelphia Flyers in 1976
Connor McDavid - Edmonton Oilers 2024
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Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:30 pm
bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:17 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:09 pm
Roundhouse wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:57 pm Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.


From WIKIPEDIA
Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?
Reggie Leach - Philadelphia Flyers in 1976
Connor McDavid - Edmonton Oilers 2024
Pronger should have won it for the Oilers. Wasn’t close for me
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bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:17 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:09 pm
Roundhouse wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:57 pm Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.


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Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?
Well there was McDavid last year. Wasn't it also Gretzky with the Kings?
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Interesting roster stats from the 2025 playoffs:

Blues roster with 43% players drafted (4th most), 48% drafted in Round 1 (3rd most)

29.01 avg age, 2nd youngest in the West, 4th youngest overall

These stats bode well going forward, stick to the plan

https://soundofhockey.com/2025/05/13/da ... -reakdown/
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Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:30 pm
bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:17 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:09 pm
Roundhouse wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:57 pm Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.


From WIKIPEDIA
Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?
Reggie Leach - Philadelphia Flyers in 1976
Connor McDavid - Edmonton Oilers 2024
Yep.

And after looking at this year's vote totals, while I sensed it would be a rate between Bennett and Marchand, I was surprised Bobrovsky received so little love for his efforts:

Voting Point Totals
Sam Bennett, Florida: 76 points
Brad Marchand, Florida: 68 points
Sergei Bobrovsky, Florida: 10 points
Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton: 7 points
Gustav Forsling, Florida: 1 point
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bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:49 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:30 pm
bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:17 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:09 pm
Roundhouse wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:57 pm Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.


From WIKIPEDIA
Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?
Reggie Leach - Philadelphia Flyers in 1976
Connor McDavid - Edmonton Oilers 2024
Yep.

And after looking at this year's vote totals, while I sensed it would be a rate between Bennett and Marchand, I was surprised Bobrovsky received so little love for his efforts:

Voting Point Totals
Sam Bennett, Florida: 76 points
Brad Marchand, Florida: 68 points
Sergei Bobrovsky, Florida: 10 points
Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton: 7 points
Gustav Forsling, Florida: 1 point
Indeed, that is surprising.
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Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:57 pm
bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:49 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:30 pm
bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:17 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:09 pm
Roundhouse wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:57 pm Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.


From WIKIPEDIA
Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?
Reggie Leach - Philadelphia Flyers in 1976
Connor McDavid - Edmonton Oilers 2024
Yep.

And after looking at this year's vote totals, while I sensed it would be a rate between Bennett and Marchand, I was surprised Bobrovsky received so little love for his efforts:

Voting Point Totals
Sam Bennett, Florida: 76 points
Brad Marchand, Florida: 68 points
Sergei Bobrovsky, Florida: 10 points
Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton: 7 points
Gustav Forsling, Florida: 1 point
Indeed, that is surprising.
They could have won with Elliott in net
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bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:49 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:30 pm
bud white wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:17 pm
Spyro Gyra wrote: 18 Jun 2025 13:09 pm
Roundhouse wrote: 18 Jun 2025 12:57 pm Interesting facts about amount of time with leading score in SCF series:

The shortest time any team has held the lead in a Stanley Cup Final series—aside from the 1968 Blues, who never led—is a remarkable 8.8 seconds. This occurred when the 2020 Tampa Bay Lightning won the Cup: across the four-game series, they led for only 8.8 seconds in total, despite ultimately winning the championship.

BTW three of the four games in the 1968 SCF went to overtime, the other was 1-0. The Blues gave les Habs a run for their money in all four games.
No, only two went to OT and the score of the other game was 3-2.

Game 1 - 3-2 OT
Game 2 - 1-0
Game 3 - 4-3 OT
Game 4 - 3-2

Game three
Glenn Hall was sensational, especially in game three when the Canadiens outshot the Blues 46–15. Wrote Red Burnett, the dean of hockey writers then: "A number of Hall's saves were seemingly impossible. Experts walked out of the Forum convinced no other goaltender had performed so brilliantly in a losing cause." In the overtime of game three, Hall made a spectacular save on Dick Duff and then, standing on his head, made another save. "It was a heartbreaker to see," said Burnett. "After the saves on Duff, Bobby Rousseau came and batted home the second rebound." Hall's heroics even in defeat earned him the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the playoffs.


From WIKIPEDIA
Six Conn Smythe winners have come from the losing side. Four have been goalies. Who are the "non goalies"?
Reggie Leach - Philadelphia Flyers in 1976
Connor McDavid - Edmonton Oilers 2024
Yep.

And after looking at this year's vote totals, while I sensed it would be a rate between Bennett and Marchand, I was surprised Bobrovsky received so little love for his efforts:

Voting Point Totals
Sam Bennett, Florida: 76 points
Brad Marchand, Florida: 68 points
Sergei Bobrovsky, Florida: 10 points
Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton: 7 points
Gustav Forsling, Florida: 1 point
Not one vote for the guy with the most points in the tournament.
Seems odd.
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The Oil desperately need a real goalie, and some decent D. Until then, they'll be also-rans.
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