Kreider traded to Ducks by Rangers for prospect Terrance, 4th-round pick

[zamadoo]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

[STL fan in MN]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

[zamadoo]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

Maybe if we added Leddy to the deal.

[TruBlueFan_1970]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

Not sure they are going all in for a big name UFA unless they are able to unload another player like Zibanejad. People are forgetting they have to sign K. Miller AND Will Cuylle. I think that Cuylle is ripe for an offer sheet if the Rags don’t lock him up. He’s a big, physical winger who potted 20G and 25A in his second full season. And he’s 23 years old. I bet he gets between $4-5m on a bridge deal, or gets offer sheeted at the max for a 1st and 3rd. Rangers need to do what they can to not lose a player like him before they go fishing.

[bluetunehead]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

Not sure they are going all in for a big name UFA unless they are able to unload another player like Zibanejad. People are forgetting they have to sign K. Miller AND Will Cuylle. I think that Cuylle is ripe for an offer sheet if the Rags don’t lock him up. He’s a big, physical winger who potted 20G and 25A in his second full season. And he’s 23 years old. I bet he gets between $4-5m on a bridge deal, or gets offer sheeted at the max for a 1st and 3rd. Rangers need to do what they can to not lose a player like him before they go fishing.

Yeah once the Rangers extend Miller and Cuyle they're not going to have anywhere near enough to sign a big name UFA. They'd have to move another big contract out. I'm sure if they could find a taker they'd try to move Zibanejad, but he has a full NMC so he's got to want to go.

Their realistic trade options are Trocheck (12-team NTC) and Lafreniere (no NTC yet). Trocheck is too valuable and reasonably priced to move. Lafreniere has been a disappointment but moving on at this point is a big risk as well.

[TheJackBurton]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

Not sure they are going all in for a big name UFA unless they are able to unload another player like Zibanejad. People are forgetting they have to sign K. Miller AND Will Cuylle. I think that Cuylle is ripe for an offer sheet if the Rags don’t lock him up. He’s a big, physical winger who potted 20G and 25A in his second full season. And he’s 23 years old. I bet he gets between $4-5m on a bridge deal, or gets offer sheeted at the max for a 1st and 3rd. Rangers need to do what they can to not lose a player like him before they go fishing.

Yeah once the Rangers extend Miller and Cuyle they're not going to have anywhere near enough to sign a big name UFA. They'd have to move another big contract out. I'm sure if they could find a taker they'd try to move Zibanejad, but he has a full NMC so he's got to want to go.

Their realistic trade options are Trocheck (12-team NTC) and Lafreniere (no NTC yet). Trocheck is too valuable and reasonably priced to move. Lafreniere has been a disappointment but moving on at this point is a big risk as well.

I would sincerely doubt he's available as well, but his limited NTC makes him the easier one to trade, if they want the cap space.

Zibanajad is easily one of the worst contract in the league right now, has a full NMC, and would cost a lot to trade (either with add ons or picks)

Miller was just traded for and he also has a NMC and I sincerely doubt he'd want to waive that.

Are they going to have a 8.5 million dollar 3rd line center?

Drury has a mess on his hands and there's no easy way to get out of it, as both Ziba and Miller have 4+ years left on their contracts, so the can't even really just ride them out.

Maybe they buy out Ziba or Drury tries to bully him into waving, but if your Ziba why would you?

[skilles]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

Not sure they are going all in for a big name UFA unless they are able to unload another player like Zibanejad. People are forgetting they have to sign K. Miller AND Will Cuylle. I think that Cuylle is ripe for an offer sheet if the Rags don’t lock him up. He’s a big, physical winger who potted 20G and 25A in his second full season. And he’s 23 years old. I bet he gets between $4-5m on a bridge deal, or gets offer sheeted at the max for a 1st and 3rd. Rangers need to do what they can to not lose a player like him before they go fishing.

Yeah once the Rangers extend Miller and Cuyle they're not going to have anywhere near enough to sign a big name UFA. They'd have to move another big contract out. I'm sure if they could find a taker they'd try to move Zibanejad, but he has a full NMC so he's got to want to go.

Their realistic trade options are Trocheck (12-team NTC) and Lafreniere (no NTC yet). Trocheck is too valuable and reasonably priced to move. Lafreniere has been a disappointment but moving on at this point is a big risk as well.

I would sincerely doubt he's available as well, but his limited NTC makes him the easier one to trade, if they want the cap space.

Zibanajad is easily one of the worst contract in the league right now, has a full NMC, and would cost a lot to trade (either with add ons or picks)

Miller was just traded for and he also has a NMC and I sincerely doubt he'd want to waive that.

Are they going to have a 8.5 million dollar 3rd line center?

Drury has a mess on his hands and there's no easy way to get out of it, as both Ziba and Miller have 4+ years left on their contracts, so the can't even really just ride them out.

Maybe they buy out Ziba or Drury tries to bully him into waving, but if your Ziba why would you?

While the Zibanajad term and age is problematic I'm betting the cap hit don't look so bad after this UFA season. That is what a 60 point center is going to cost.

[TheJackBurton]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

Not sure they are going all in for a big name UFA unless they are able to unload another player like Zibanejad. People are forgetting they have to sign K. Miller AND Will Cuylle. I think that Cuylle is ripe for an offer sheet if the Rags don’t lock him up. He’s a big, physical winger who potted 20G and 25A in his second full season. And he’s 23 years old. I bet he gets between $4-5m on a bridge deal, or gets offer sheeted at the max for a 1st and 3rd. Rangers need to do what they can to not lose a player like him before they go fishing.

Yeah once the Rangers extend Miller and Cuyle they're not going to have anywhere near enough to sign a big name UFA. They'd have to move another big contract out. I'm sure if they could find a taker they'd try to move Zibanejad, but he has a full NMC so he's got to want to go.

Their realistic trade options are Trocheck (12-team NTC) and Lafreniere (no NTC yet). Trocheck is too valuable and reasonably priced to move. Lafreniere has been a disappointment but moving on at this point is a big risk as well.

I would sincerely doubt he's available as well, but his limited NTC makes him the easier one to trade, if they want the cap space.

Zibanajad is easily one of the worst contract in the league right now, has a full NMC, and would cost a lot to trade (either with add ons or picks)

Miller was just traded for and he also has a NMC and I sincerely doubt he'd want to waive that.

Are they going to have a 8.5 million dollar 3rd line center?

Drury has a mess on his hands and there's no easy way to get out of it, as both Ziba and Miller have 4+ years left on their contracts, so the can't even really just ride them out.

Maybe they buy out Ziba or Drury tries to bully him into waving, but if your Ziba why would you?

While the Zibanajad term and age is problematic I'm betting the cap hit don't look so bad after this UFA season. That is what a 60 point center is going to cost.

It's the NMC, his age, the length of the contract, and the fact his points have declined by 20% each and every season since he signed.

None of those make for a good contract. Sure 8.5 will likely be the going rate for a 2nd line center producing 60 points, but you want that to be low point, not his new watermark.

[skilles]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

Not sure they are going all in for a big name UFA unless they are able to unload another player like Zibanejad. People are forgetting they have to sign K. Miller AND Will Cuylle. I think that Cuylle is ripe for an offer sheet if the Rags don’t lock him up. He’s a big, physical winger who potted 20G and 25A in his second full season. And he’s 23 years old. I bet he gets between $4-5m on a bridge deal, or gets offer sheeted at the max for a 1st and 3rd. Rangers need to do what they can to not lose a player like him before they go fishing.

Yeah once the Rangers extend Miller and Cuyle they're not going to have anywhere near enough to sign a big name UFA. They'd have to move another big contract out. I'm sure if they could find a taker they'd try to move Zibanejad, but he has a full NMC so he's got to want to go.

Their realistic trade options are Trocheck (12-team NTC) and Lafreniere (no NTC yet). Trocheck is too valuable and reasonably priced to move. Lafreniere has been a disappointment but moving on at this point is a big risk as well.

I would sincerely doubt he's available as well, but his limited NTC makes him the easier one to trade, if they want the cap space.

Zibanajad is easily one of the worst contract in the league right now, has a full NMC, and would cost a lot to trade (either with add ons or picks)

Miller was just traded for and he also has a NMC and I sincerely doubt he'd want to waive that.

Are they going to have a 8.5 million dollar 3rd line center?

Drury has a mess on his hands and there's no easy way to get out of it, as both Ziba and Miller have 4+ years left on their contracts, so the can't even really just ride them out.

Maybe they buy out Ziba or Drury tries to bully him into waving, but if your Ziba why would you?

While the Zibanajad term and age is problematic I'm betting the cap hit don't look so bad after this UFA season. That is what a 60 point center is going to cost.

It's the NMC, his age, the length of the contract, and the fact his points have declined by 20% each and every season since he signed.

None of those make for a good contract. Sure 8.5 will likely be the going rate for a 2nd line center producing 60 points, but you want that to be low point, not his new watermark.

Well if his points had not declined it would be a steal at this point. You likely could not replace his production in free agency. If his numbers level off at around 60 points it will never be a bad contract.

[TheJackBurton]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

Not sure they are going all in for a big name UFA unless they are able to unload another player like Zibanejad. People are forgetting they have to sign K. Miller AND Will Cuylle. I think that Cuylle is ripe for an offer sheet if the Rags don’t lock him up. He’s a big, physical winger who potted 20G and 25A in his second full season. And he’s 23 years old. I bet he gets between $4-5m on a bridge deal, or gets offer sheeted at the max for a 1st and 3rd. Rangers need to do what they can to not lose a player like him before they go fishing.

Yeah once the Rangers extend Miller and Cuyle they're not going to have anywhere near enough to sign a big name UFA. They'd have to move another big contract out. I'm sure if they could find a taker they'd try to move Zibanejad, but he has a full NMC so he's got to want to go.

Their realistic trade options are Trocheck (12-team NTC) and Lafreniere (no NTC yet). Trocheck is too valuable and reasonably priced to move. Lafreniere has been a disappointment but moving on at this point is a big risk as well.

I would sincerely doubt he's available as well, but his limited NTC makes him the easier one to trade, if they want the cap space.

Zibanajad is easily one of the worst contract in the league right now, has a full NMC, and would cost a lot to trade (either with add ons or picks)

Miller was just traded for and he also has a NMC and I sincerely doubt he'd want to waive that.

Are they going to have a 8.5 million dollar 3rd line center?

Drury has a mess on his hands and there's no easy way to get out of it, as both Ziba and Miller have 4+ years left on their contracts, so the can't even really just ride them out.

Maybe they buy out Ziba or Drury tries to bully him into waving, but if your Ziba why would you?

While the Zibanajad term and age is problematic I'm betting the cap hit don't look so bad after this UFA season. That is what a 60 point center is going to cost.

It's the NMC, his age, the length of the contract, and the fact his points have declined by 20% each and every season since he signed.

None of those make for a good contract. Sure 8.5 will likely be the going rate for a 2nd line center producing 60 points, but you want that to be low point, not his new watermark.

Well if his points had not declined it would be a steal at this point. You likely could not replace his production in free agency. If his numbers level off at around 60 points it will never be a bad contract.

things however don't show them to be leveling off, he's more likely to finish mid 40's than 60

[skilles]

Trocheck would be perfect. Don’t see why NYR would want to trade him though. He gets higher usage for the Rangers than either Zibinejad or Miller.

Would you give up this year's 1st for him? I would think we might even have to add.

We’d have to give up way more than a 1st for Trocheck. But yes, I’d at least inquire…but just don’t see him as available.

I agree. Was thinking 1st+Dean+ but just don't see them trading him unless they really want to clear some cap space.

Still more IMO.

A few years ago Kevin Fiala went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick. Faber wasn’t as highly touted back then as how he ended up but he was worth more then than Dean is now IMO.

But again, I see absolutely no reason for NYR to trade him. He’s signed for 4 more years at a very reasonable AAV. If I was the Rangers GM, I’d have to be absolutely blown away to trade him away.

Not sure they are going all in for a big name UFA unless they are able to unload another player like Zibanejad. People are forgetting they have to sign K. Miller AND Will Cuylle. I think that Cuylle is ripe for an offer sheet if the Rags don’t lock him up. He’s a big, physical winger who potted 20G and 25A in his second full season. And he’s 23 years old. I bet he gets between $4-5m on a bridge deal, or gets offer sheeted at the max for a 1st and 3rd. Rangers need to do what they can to not lose a player like him before they go fishing.

Yeah once the Rangers extend Miller and Cuyle they're not going to have anywhere near enough to sign a big name UFA. They'd have to move another big contract out. I'm sure if they could find a taker they'd try to move Zibanejad, but he has a full NMC so he's got to want to go.

Their realistic trade options are Trocheck (12-team NTC) and Lafreniere (no NTC yet). Trocheck is too valuable and reasonably priced to move. Lafreniere has been a disappointment but moving on at this point is a big risk as well.

I would sincerely doubt he's available as well, but his limited NTC makes him the easier one to trade, if they want the cap space.

Zibanajad is easily one of the worst contract in the league right now, has a full NMC, and would cost a lot to trade (either with add ons or picks)

Miller was just traded for and he also has a NMC and I sincerely doubt he'd want to waive that.

Are they going to have a 8.5 million dollar 3rd line center?

Drury has a mess on his hands and there's no easy way to get out of it, as both Ziba and Miller have 4+ years left on their contracts, so the can't even really just ride them out.

Maybe they buy out Ziba or Drury tries to bully him into waving, but if your Ziba why would you?

While the Zibanajad term and age is problematic I'm betting the cap hit don't look so bad after this UFA season. That is what a 60 point center is going to cost.

It's the NMC, his age, the length of the contract, and the fact his points have declined by 20% each and every season since he signed.

None of those make for a good contract. Sure 8.5 will likely be the going rate for a 2nd line center producing 60 points, but you want that to be low point, not his new watermark.

Well if his points had not declined it would be a steal at this point. You likely could not replace his production in free agency. If his numbers level off at around 60 points it will never be a bad contract.

things however don't show them to be leveling off, he's more likely to finish mid 40's than 60

Sure that could happen.

[Pink Freud]

One wonders if the Rangers and MSG might be stashing away cash for THIS: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/nyre ... =url-share

Mods: I'm a NYT subscriber, so this is a gift article.

[bluetunehead]

One wonders if the Rangers and MSG might be stashing away cash for THIS: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/nyre ... =url-share

Mods: I'm a NYT subscriber, so this is a gift article.

Interesting proposal. I’m sure there are folks who want to keep MSG as it is, but it’s so weirdly placed on top of the train station.

[Clark Kimble]

One wonders if the Rangers and MSG might be stashing away cash for THIS: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/nyre ... =url-share

Mods: I'm a NYT subscriber, so this is a gift article.

Interesting proposal. I’m sure there are folks who want to keep MSG as it is, but it’s so weirdly placed on top of the train station.

So was the ol' Bahston Gahden.