When managing matters most Oli is awful

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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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The fact remains, he replaced Gorman with a pinch hitter that struck out twice, on a total of six pitches. Gorman hopefully, is laughing his (donkey) off.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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Rocket Scientist wrote: 10 Jun 2025 17:25 pm The fact remains, he replaced Gorman with a pinch hitter that struck out twice, on a total of six pitches. Gorman hopefully, is laughing his (donkey) off.
That was a bad move. If you were going to pinch hit there it should have been Pozo but I would have let Gorman hit.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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Bob Kunush wrote: 10 Jun 2025 17:21 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 15:37 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 10 Jun 2025 12:55 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 12:18 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 10 Jun 2025 10:48 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Jun 2025 23:36 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:54 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again. :lol:
That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.
Questioning and criticizing a manager's job performance isn't a personal attack. Good grief. Calm down on your anger typing. The mistyped words are a mess.
I agree that questioning and criticizing managers at times is legit. But you and the others like you don't just do that and you know it. You make it personal and blame him for every thing that goes wrong in the game but if it goes well it's despite of him. And that gets real old. Maybe your valid complaints would carry more weight if you had an ounce of objectivity.

As for my typing, I am 67 and will admit these small phone keyboards and screens are not my friend. I am guilty of poor typing.

As for being a day drinker, I dont drink at all and never have. And am far from a huge fan of Mo.

1. I gave oli credit for the team's above expectations start this season. So saying I'm not objective is false.

2. My criticisms are legitimate and tied to his bad decisions and poor leadership involving past events.

3. Nobody claimed you are a drinker. I said you were typing angry.
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I didn't find any posts going back some ways where you are not critical of Oli if you mention him. Obviously I only went back so far so I guess if you say you did then I assume you are not lying.

You did not call me a day drinker. That was another poster WTLFE. That was my mistake and I apologize. That did make me angry because my brother was killed by an alcoholic when I was 16 so I have never drank alcohol. But that wasn't you that said that.
Sorry about your experience.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 15:38 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 12:48 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Jun 2025 23:36 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:54 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again. :lol:
My God! How dare he. I was in ST in 2004 when a plane with a banner saying FIRE DUNCUSSA....flew by. Takes all kinds.
One is a Hall of Fame manager. The other is a stooge for Mo.
Correction. One is a former STL Cardinal HOF manager. The other is the current Cardinal manager. I'm not that interested in your opinion.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 15:38 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 12:48 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Jun 2025 23:36 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:54 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again. :lol:
My God! How dare he. I was in ST in 2004 when a plane with a banner saying FIRE DUNCUSSA....flew by. Takes all kinds.
One is a Hall of Fame manager. The other is a stooge for Mo.
Correction. One is a former STL Cardinal HOF manager. The other is the current Cardinal manager. I'm not that interested in your opinion.
Apparently you are interested since you replied twice. :lol: And BTW, LaRussa is in Cooperstown. Second most wins as a manager.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:42 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 15:38 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 12:48 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Jun 2025 23:36 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:54 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again. :lol:
My God! How dare he. I was in ST in 2004 when a plane with a banner saying FIRE DUNCUSSA....flew by. Takes all kinds.
One is a Hall of Fame manager. The other is a stooge for Mo.
Correction. One is a former STL Cardinal HOF manager. The other is the current Cardinal manager. I'm not that interested in your opinion.
Apparently you are interested since you replied twice. :lol: And BTW, LaRussa is in Cooperstown. Second most wins as a manager.
I spent very little time trying to second guess LaRussa or Duncan. They were running the show and I loved it. I am enjoying the Cardinals this year and credit Oli with some of that. He put us in a situation to win last night. We didn't get it done. Oli is respected by the owner, the POBO and his players. That works for me. He had no chance in '23. LaRussa wouldn't have taken the reign on that team. Oli appears to me to be better this year than last. I don't see glaring errors, just execution issues. Any major league manager can manage the Dodgers. Anybody can find things to complain about with Oli. That holds no sway with me. The focus is on players executing.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:52 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:42 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 15:38 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 12:48 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Jun 2025 23:36 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:54 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again. :lol:
My God! How dare he. I was in ST in 2004 when a plane with a banner saying FIRE DUNCUSSA....flew by. Takes all kinds.
One is a Hall of Fame manager. The other is a stooge for Mo.
Correction. One is a former STL Cardinal HOF manager. The other is the current Cardinal manager. I'm not that interested in your opinion.
Apparently you are interested since you replied twice. :lol: And BTW, LaRussa is in Cooperstown. Second most wins as a manager.
I spent very little time trying to second guess LaRussa or Duncan. They were running the show and I loved it. I am enjoying the Cardinals this year and credit Oli with some of that. He put us in a situation to win last night. We didn't get it done. Oli is respected by the owner, the POBO and his players. That works for me. He had no chance in '23. LaRussa wouldn't have taken the reign on that team. Oli appears to me to be better this year than last. I don't see glaring errors, just execution issues. Any major league manager can manage the Dodgers. Anybody can find things to complain about with Oli. That holds no sway with me. The focus is on players executing.
I’ve never been a fan of Oli’s, but he seems to be improving. Bloom may stay with him for awhile.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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Cranny wrote: 10 Jun 2025 19:59 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:52 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:42 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 15:38 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 12:48 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Jun 2025 23:36 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:54 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again. :lol:
My God! How dare he. I was in ST in 2004 when a plane with a banner saying FIRE DUNCUSSA....flew by. Takes all kinds.
One is a Hall of Fame manager. The other is a stooge for Mo.
Correction. One is a former STL Cardinal HOF manager. The other is the current Cardinal manager. I'm not that interested in your opinion.
Apparently you are interested since you replied twice. :lol: And BTW, LaRussa is in Cooperstown. Second most wins as a manager.
I spent very little time trying to second guess LaRussa or Duncan. They were running the show and I loved it. I am enjoying the Cardinals this year and credit Oli with some of that. He put us in a situation to win last night. We didn't get it done. Oli is respected by the owner, the POBO and his players. That works for me. He had no chance in '23. LaRussa wouldn't have taken the reign on that team. Oli appears to me to be better this year than last. I don't see glaring errors, just execution issues. Any major league manager can manage the Dodgers. Anybody can find things to complain about with Oli. That holds no sway with me. The focus is on players executing.
I’ve never been a fan of Oli’s, but he seems to be improving. Bloom may stay with him for awhile.
He is regressing, that isn't improving. Falling into some bad habits. I hope he is gone as soon as the season is over.
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Getting this load of (bleep) to a winning record and second place, he’s manager of the year.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 10 Jun 2025 20:08 pm
Cranny wrote: 10 Jun 2025 19:59 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:52 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:42 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 15:38 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 12:48 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Jun 2025 23:36 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:54 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again. :lol:
My God! How dare he. I was in ST in 2004 when a plane with a banner saying FIRE DUNCUSSA....flew by. Takes all kinds.
One is a Hall of Fame manager. The other is a stooge for Mo.
Correction. One is a former STL Cardinal HOF manager. The other is the current Cardinal manager. I'm not that interested in your opinion.
Apparently you are interested since you replied twice. :lol: And BTW, LaRussa is in Cooperstown. Second most wins as a manager.
I spent very little time trying to second guess LaRussa or Duncan. They were running the show and I loved it. I am enjoying the Cardinals this year and credit Oli with some of that. He put us in a situation to win last night. We didn't get it done. Oli is respected by the owner, the POBO and his players. That works for me. He had no chance in '23. LaRussa wouldn't have taken the reign on that team. Oli appears to me to be better this year than last. I don't see glaring errors, just execution issues. Any major league manager can manage the Dodgers. Anybody can find things to complain about with Oli. That holds no sway with me. The focus is on players executing.
I’ve never been a fan of Oli’s, but he seems to be improving. Bloom may stay with him for awhile.
He is regressing, that isn't improving. Falling into some bad habits. I hope he is gone as soon as the season is over.
Same here. He still has his favorites, and you cannot manage that way, no matter who it is. And he has players he obviously does not trust and buries, like Gorman, even though he has been trending up and the FO said this was going to be the year we find out about Gorman and Walker.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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icon wrote: 10 Jun 2025 20:42 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: 10 Jun 2025 20:08 pm
Cranny wrote: 10 Jun 2025 19:59 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:52 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:42 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 18:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 10 Jun 2025 15:38 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 12:48 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Jun 2025 23:36 pm
Bob Kunush wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:54 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: 09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again. :lol:
My God! How dare he. I was in ST in 2004 when a plane with a banner saying FIRE DUNCUSSA....flew by. Takes all kinds.
One is a Hall of Fame manager. The other is a stooge for Mo.
Correction. One is a former STL Cardinal HOF manager. The other is the current Cardinal manager. I'm not that interested in your opinion.
Apparently you are interested since you replied twice. :lol: And BTW, LaRussa is in Cooperstown. Second most wins as a manager.
I spent very little time trying to second guess LaRussa or Duncan. They were running the show and I loved it. I am enjoying the Cardinals this year and credit Oli with some of that. He put us in a situation to win last night. We didn't get it done. Oli is respected by the owner, the POBO and his players. That works for me. He had no chance in '23. LaRussa wouldn't have taken the reign on that team. Oli appears to me to be better this year than last. I don't see glaring errors, just execution issues. Any major league manager can manage the Dodgers. Anybody can find things to complain about with Oli. That holds no sway with me. The focus is on players executing.
I’ve never been a fan of Oli’s, but he seems to be improving. Bloom may stay with him for awhile.
He is regressing, that isn't improving. Falling into some bad habits. I hope he is gone as soon as the season is over.
Same here. He still has his favorites, and you cannot manage that way, no matter who it is. And he has players he obviously does not trust and buries, like Gorman, even though he has been trending up and the FO said this was going to be the year we find out about Gorman and Walker.
Well put.
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Re: When managing matters most Oli is awful

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They have to send Roycroft down forever, or for at least the rest of the season. Otherwise our idiot manager will keep using him with the same result every time. We could have won that game. The offense must be going nuts
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bccardsfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 21:27 pm They have to send Roycroft down forever, or for at least the rest of the season. Otherwise our idiot manager will keep using him with the same result every time. We could have won that game. The offense must be going nuts
+1 only an idiot would bring roycroft into a game that isn’t a blow out
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bccardsfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 21:27 pm They have to send Roycroft down forever, or for at least the rest of the season. Otherwise our idiot manager will keep using him with the same result every time. We could have won that game. The offense must be going nuts
Cards Talk complains that Oli uses his top relievers too much.

Cards Talk complains when the other pitchers are used.

Oli can only use the guys in the bullpen that are given to him by Mo and Co.
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He can also refuse to use a guy who is gasoline on a fire every time he pitches. In a game that isn't over.
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bccardsfan wrote: 10 Jun 2025 21:27 pm They have to send Roycroft down forever, or for at least the rest of the season. Otherwise our idiot manager will keep using him with the same result every time. We could have won that game. The offense must be going nuts
As well as O'brien, can't have bullpen arms that allow runs 50% of the time
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