Winn - terrible effort today. Not like him at all.

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Re: Winn - terrible effort today. Not like him at all.

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hugeCardfan wrote: 02 Jun 2025 15:42 pm
Melville wrote: 02 Jun 2025 08:27 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 01 Jun 2025 22:00 pm
ramfandan wrote: 01 Jun 2025 18:39 pm A runner slowly running to 1st base is a lack of effort . or lazy as some term it .
The play where he didn't get to 2nd base was not a lack of effort . Looking at the replay on TV from the high angle, the Cards anticipated the bunt .
The plan was for Winn to go to 3rd base if Nado fields the ball. Replay shows Winn taking a few quick steps to 3rd..as ball is batted to the pitcher , Winn puts on the brakes and retreats quickly toward 2nd ( figuring Nado runs back to 3rd as the pitcher is now fielding the ball.
Winn can't back to 2nd in time. So not a 'lazy' play but the execution failed. Acutally Donovan was the guy who made the poor decision on that play. He didn't go to 1st to cover with Contreras crashing home from 1st and he didn't go to 2nd either.
The ball thrown to him that went under his glove was not a lazy play either. it was poor execution in catching it. Lazy to me means poor effort.
Not all his miscues today were lack of effort IMO As I said , not hustling running is definitely lack of effort . Errors in fielding are poor positioning with the feet , legs, glove etc. That's when you boot balls once in a while not because your effort was poor.
Not sure they heard you, but you are absolutely correct. They were anticipating a bunt. Winn was racing to 3d base with Arenado approaching the plate. Donovan was racing to 1B as Willson was halfway home. The only play was to 1B, but by the team Leahy realized he couldn’t go to 2B, he was late for 1B.

Weird play but there was NO laziness. Just a bad break.
Incorrect.
Watch the replay.
It was a comebacker directly to the pitcher.
N/A should have broken to the bag the second the ball was in play.
Leahy was shocked to see N/A frozen in place - he never took a single step.
He then turned to 2nd base - where Winn was standing about 3' from the bag - and was WATCHING the frozen N/A.
Winn likewise never moved an inch - though he had plenty of time to do so.
Again, Leahy was shocked - and then turned to 1b which of course was not covered because Contreras was rightfully closer to home plate when the play began than any other teammate.
Leahy made 4 MOVES with that play in progress, while neither Arenado nor Winn moved an inch.
Both checked out of the play.
Sorry. As often is the case, you are wrong. Arenado was half way home. He would lose a race to 3B. Of course it was a comebacker to the mound...but, everybody was anticipating the bunt. Linn wasn't within 30 feet of the bag when Leahy got the ball. He was racing to 3B to cover and couldn't have possibly gotten back to 2B. You need to take another look at the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruW8cjoFOKE Notice the 7:20 mark.
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Re: Winn - terrible effort today. Not like him at all.

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hugeCardfan wrote: 02 Jun 2025 15:43 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 02 Jun 2025 15:42 pm
Melville wrote: 02 Jun 2025 08:27 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 01 Jun 2025 22:00 pm
ramfandan wrote: 01 Jun 2025 18:39 pm A runner slowly running to 1st base is a lack of effort . or lazy as some term it .
The play where he didn't get to 2nd base was not a lack of effort . Looking at the replay on TV from the high angle, the Cards anticipated the bunt .
The plan was for Winn to go to 3rd base if Nado fields the ball. Replay shows Winn taking a few quick steps to 3rd..as ball is batted to the pitcher , Winn puts on the brakes and retreats quickly toward 2nd ( figuring Nado runs back to 3rd as the pitcher is now fielding the ball.
Winn can't back to 2nd in time. So not a 'lazy' play but the execution failed. Acutally Donovan was the guy who made the poor decision on that play. He didn't go to 1st to cover with Contreras crashing home from 1st and he didn't go to 2nd either.
The ball thrown to him that went under his glove was not a lazy play either. it was poor execution in catching it. Lazy to me means poor effort.
Not all his miscues today were lack of effort IMO As I said , not hustling running is definitely lack of effort . Errors in fielding are poor positioning with the feet , legs, glove etc. That's when you boot balls once in a while not because your effort was poor.
Not sure they heard you, but you are absolutely correct. They were anticipating a bunt. Winn was racing to 3d base with Arenado approaching the plate. Donovan was racing to 1B as Willson was halfway home. The only play was to 1B, but by the team Leahy realized he couldn’t go to 2B, he was late for 1B.

Weird play but there was NO laziness. Just a bad break.
Incorrect.
Watch the replay.
It was a comebacker directly to the pitcher.
N/A should have broken to the bag the second the ball was in play.
Leahy was shocked to see N/A frozen in place - he never took a single step.
He then turned to 2nd base - where Winn was standing about 3' from the bag - and was WATCHING the frozen N/A.
Winn likewise never moved an inch - though he had plenty of time to do so.
Again, Leahy was shocked - and then turned to 1b which of course was not covered because Contreras was rightfully closer to home plate when the play began than any other teammate.
Leahy made 4 MOVES with that play in progress, while neither Arenado nor Winn moved an inch.
Both checked out of the play.
Sorry. As often is the case, you are wrong. Arenado was half way home. He would lose a race to 3B. Of course it was a comebacker to the mound...but, everybody was anticipating the bunt. Linn wasn't within 30 feet of the bag when Leahy got the ball. He was racing to 3B to cover and couldn't have possibly gotten back to 2B. You need to take another look at the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruW8cjoFOKE Notice the 7:20 mark.
You are correct and Mel per usual is wrong
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Re: Winn - terrible effort today. Not like him at all.

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Baseball Savant wrote: 01 Jun 2025 18:50 pm He dogged it down the line all weekend
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