Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
I think that this sequence events is another reason that points to Schenn leaving. That had to be upsetting to Schenn to hear that Army was willing to trade him, the Captain, despite the no-trade clause, and despite that they were still in the hunt for the playoffs. That was a no-confidence move to say the least.
It's not out of character for Army however. Let's not forget the Paul Stastny trade under the same conditions.
Iirc, Army didn't get much for Paul though. The worst part of the return was a 5'10" 'power forward' prospect with a concussion history that continued through his history as part of the Blues organization and eventually took him out of hockey
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑31 May 2025 13:12 pm
So no, if/when Army trades Schenn or any other player like that, he almost certainly won’t get the equivalent of Ritchie and a 1st. It took a spectacularly bad level of desperation and lack of foresight for the Avs to make such a bad trade. A prospect trade that lopsided happens maybe every 10-20 years so it’s be silly to hold Army to expecting that type of return (so of course that’s precisely what green grass will do).
I see this trade as spectularly bad too and one that will bite Colorado fans for a long time. Especially for Brock Nelson! Who would even want a forward from the Islanders?
I would not blame Army if he couldn't get the same deal for Schenn. I was merely hoping that he could.
That said, I have not been impressed with what Army has gotten earlier for our veterans. It seems like our biggest return for the veterans is removing the salary from the books.
Glad you’re being reasonable.
To me, Army got the going rates for ROR and Tarasenko - a 1st as the main return piece. Stenberg and Lindstein are are now 2 of our top 4-5 prospects. What more would you expect?
And tbh, I didn’t think Tarasenko was worth a 1st at the time and we were lucky to get that. Likely why he had to include Mikkola to get the Rangers’ 1st. To me, it was clear the wheels were about to fall off Tarasenko as he was declining hard. His goals for %, Corsi and Fenwick were all hovering around 45% that year (meaning the Blues were getting outscored and outchaned 45 to 55% whenever Tarasenko was on the ice). I was pretty ecstatic to get a 1st for him tbh.
And overall, I think buying at the deadline and paying a 1st for a rental is almost always a bad idea. That’s the going rate but late 1sts still turn into quality NHLers over 50% of the time and for what? To add one guy at the end to try to win the Cup and then almost certainly lose that player for nothing as a UFA a few months later? About 7-10 teams tend to do it each year but only one of them can win the Cup.
I’m ok with doing it every once in a while and it can make more sense to trade a 1st for a player with term (like the Blues traded away a 1st along with Thompson for O’Reilly) but for a rental? No.
So yeah, I’m more than happy with how those 2 trades worked out. Kids are drafted at age 17-18 though so when the main return is draft picks, it’s going to take a while to see dividends on the trade. That’s just how it is.
The Corsi's and other stats went down for ROR and Schenn that year too. Word was they were (upset) at the handwriting on the wall after Thomas and Kyrou got the long term contracts. Schenn was locked in but apparently ROR and Vova affected his play. His second half was abysmal.
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
I think that this sequence events is another reason that points to Schenn leaving. That had to be upsetting to Schenn to hear that Army was willing to trade him, the Captain, despite the no-trade clause, and despite that they were still in the hunt for the playoffs. That was a no-confidence move to say the least.
It's not out of character for Army however. Let's not forget the Paul Stastny trade under the same conditions.
Iirc, Army didn't get much for Paul though. The worst part of the return was a 5'10" 'power forward' prospect with a concussion history that continued through his history as part of the Blues organization and eventually took him out of hockey
Erik Foley is who you’re referring to. He was 6’0” though, not 5’10”. I really wish we could’ve seen what he could’ve been as he was a (bleep) good college player. The Jets didn’t sell us damaged goods though. He had a really bad concussion in the Frozen Four a few weeks after we acquired him. He then came back too soon and instantly got another concussion in I think his first game back playing for the Blues in the Traverse City tourney a few months later. Same guy clocked him both times actually. He never played again. I remember reading an update on him a couple years ago and it sounds like what he went through was brutal. If you recall the year Perron missed, having to sit in dark rooms, migraines 24/7…this kid went through that for years and still isn’t all the way right.
The other main piece for Stastny was a 1st rounder, which the Blues traded to move up a few spots and select Dominick Bokk. He was a bust but the Blues were able to trade him and Edmundson for Faulk so we still got good value out of that asset. It was Carolina he busted on.
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
Army was on record before the deadline that he wouldn’t ask anybody to waive unless he had a deal that he liked.
Army never asked Schenn to waive a NTC however other teams were inquiring about Schenn bc the Blues were floundering at that point which is typical. Army never said he was trading Schenn, Schenn has said he doesnt want to leave. No story here
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
I think that this sequence events is another reason that points to Schenn leaving. That had to be upsetting to Schenn to hear that Army was willing to trade him, the Captain, despite the no-trade clause, and despite that they were still in the hunt for the playoffs. That was a no-confidence move to say the least.
It's not out of character for Army however. Let's not forget the Paul Stastny trade under the same conditions.
Iirc, Army didn't get much for Paul though. The worst part of the return was a 5'10" 'power forward' prospect with a concussion history that continued through his history as part of the Blues organization and eventually took him out of hockey
Erik Foley is who you’re referring to. He was 6’0” though, not 5’10”. I really wish we could’ve seen what he could’ve been as he was a (drat) good college player. The Jets didn’t sell us damaged goods though. He had a really bad concussion in the Frozen Four a few weeks after we acquired him. He then came back too soon and instantly got another concussion in I think his first game back playing for the Blues in the Traverse City tourney a few months later. Same guy clocked him both times actually. He never played again. I remember reading an update on him a couple years ago and it sounds like what he went through was brutal. If you recall the year Perron missed, having to sit in dark rooms, migraines 24/7…this kid went through that for years and still isn’t all the way right.
The other main piece for Stastny was a 1st rounder, which the Blues traded to move up a few spots and select Dominick Bokk. He was a bust but the Blues were able to trade him and Edmundson for Faulk so we still got good value out of that asset. It was Carolina he busted on.
Thanks for filling in the blanks and correcting my poor memory. I need to start researching some things before I post. I can tell you got my main point though that Army will trade a veteran for futures before a playoff spot is clinched or lost. We did make the playoffs that year though, right?
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
Army was on record before the deadline that he wouldn’t ask anybody to waive unless he had a deal that he liked.
Army never asked Schenn to waive a NTC however other teams were inquiring about Schenn bc the Blues were floundering at that point which is typical. Army never said he was trading Schenn, Schenn has said he doesnt want to leave. No story here
It was reported by I believe Bob McKenzie that Schenn turned down a trade somewhere (believed to be Leafs) at deadline this year. Army even said something in an interview that he earned the right to turn down a trade at deadline.
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
I think that this sequence events is another reason that points to Schenn leaving. That had to be upsetting to Schenn to hear that Army was willing to trade him, the Captain, despite the no-trade clause, and despite that they were still in the hunt for the playoffs. That was a no-confidence move to say the least.
It's not out of character for Army however. Let's not forget the Paul Stastny trade under the same conditions.
Iirc, Army didn't get much for Paul though. The worst part of the return was a 5'10" 'power forward' prospect with a concussion history that continued through his history as part of the Blues organization and eventually took him out of hockey
Erik Foley is who you’re referring to. He was 6’0” though, not 5’10”. I really wish we could’ve seen what he could’ve been as he was a (drat) good college player. The Jets didn’t sell us damaged goods though. He had a really bad concussion in the Frozen Four a few weeks after we acquired him. He then came back too soon and instantly got another concussion in I think his first game back playing for the Blues in the Traverse City tourney a few months later. Same guy clocked him both times actually. He never played again. I remember reading an update on him a couple years ago and it sounds like what he went through was brutal. If you recall the year Perron missed, having to sit in dark rooms, migraines 24/7…this kid went through that for years and still isn’t all the way right.
The other main piece for Stastny was a 1st rounder, which the Blues traded to move up a few spots and select Dominick Bokk. He was a bust but the Blues were able to trade him and Edmundson for Faulk so we still got good value out of that asset. It was Carolina he busted on.
Thanks for filling in the blanks and correcting my poor memory. I need to start researching some things before I post. I can tell you got my main point though that Army will trade a veteran for futures before a playoff spot is clinched or lost. We did make the playoffs that year though, right?
We missed by a point losing to Colo in the final game
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
Army was on record before the deadline that he wouldn’t ask anybody to waive unless he had a deal that he liked.
Army never asked Schenn to waive a NTC however other teams were inquiring about Schenn bc the Blues were floundering at that point which is typical. Army never said he was trading Schenn, Schenn has said he doesnt want to leave. No story here
To quote Army about these types of situations, "They have the right to ask me about a player, and I have the right to counter. There's nothing saying I can't talk to the team even if it's about a player with a NTC." This is the business fellas. If someone inquired about Schenn, Army has the right to drive that price up to a point that sounds reasonable. If they agree to a trade, Army can present the idea to Schenn. If that happened and Schenn said no, doesn't sound like Army cared very much.
Army had said prior to the run, they needed some wins. The underlying metrics were telling them they were supposed to be winning more than they were. The games looked like they were doing what they were supposed to be doing and it wasn't working out. It was a matter of time before they started winning. The question in hand was did they have enough time to get it done. He thought after they won a few that they projected 91 would get them in. And at that time 91 seemed like a solid number to get them in. Calgary decided they wanted to get hot too. The West was a GRIND this year. The boys got into the playoffs. Lets not let trolls change the narrative.
Hopefully the Blues keep Schenn. I think when you guys see Sam Bennetts contract this summer, you are going to be glad we kept him. Same production, same player, going to get paid 2.5-3m more a year because of shiny toys syndrome.
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
I think that this sequence events is another reason that points to Schenn leaving. That had to be upsetting to Schenn to hear that Army was willing to trade him, the Captain, despite the no-trade clause, and despite that they were still in the hunt for the playoffs. That was a no-confidence move to say the least.
It's not out of character for Army however. Let's not forget the Paul Stastny trade under the same conditions.
Iirc, Army didn't get much for Paul though. The worst part of the return was a 5'10" 'power forward' prospect with a concussion history that continued through his history as part of the Blues organization and eventually took him out of hockey
Erik Foley is who you’re referring to. He was 6’0” though, not 5’10”. I really wish we could’ve seen what he could’ve been as he was a (drat) good college player. The Jets didn’t sell us damaged goods though. He had a really bad concussion in the Frozen Four a few weeks after we acquired him. He then came back too soon and instantly got another concussion in I think his first game back playing for the Blues in the Traverse City tourney a few months later. Same guy clocked him both times actually. He never played again. I remember reading an update on him a couple years ago and it sounds like what he went through was brutal. If you recall the year Perron missed, having to sit in dark rooms, migraines 24/7…this kid went through that for years and still isn’t all the way right.
The other main piece for Stastny was a 1st rounder, which the Blues traded to move up a few spots and select Dominick Bokk. He was a bust but the Blues were able to trade him and Edmundson for Faulk so we still got good value out of that asset. It was Carolina he busted on.
Thanks for filling in the blanks and correcting my poor memory. I need to start researching some things before I post. I can tell you got my main point though that Army will trade a veteran for futures before a playoff spot is clinched or lost. We did make the playoffs that year though, right?
We missed by a point losing to Colo in the final game
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
I think that this sequence events is another reason that points to Schenn leaving. That had to be upsetting to Schenn to hear that Army was willing to trade him, the Captain, despite the no-trade clause, and despite that they were still in the hunt for the playoffs. That was a no-confidence move to say the least.
It's not out of character for Army however. Let's not forget the Paul Stastny trade under the same conditions.
Iirc, Army didn't get much for Paul though. The worst part of the return was a 5'10" 'power forward' prospect with a concussion history that continued through his history as part of the Blues organization and eventually took him out of hockey
Erik Foley is who you’re referring to. He was 6’0” though, not 5’10”. I really wish we could’ve seen what he could’ve been as he was a (drat) good college player. The Jets didn’t sell us damaged goods though. He had a really bad concussion in the Frozen Four a few weeks after we acquired him. He then came back too soon and instantly got another concussion in I think his first game back playing for the Blues in the Traverse City tourney a few months later. Same guy clocked him both times actually. He never played again. I remember reading an update on him a couple years ago and it sounds like what he went through was brutal. If you recall the year Perron missed, having to sit in dark rooms, migraines 24/7…this kid went through that for years and still isn’t all the way right.
The other main piece for Stastny was a 1st rounder, which the Blues traded to move up a few spots and select Dominick Bokk. He was a bust but the Blues were able to trade him and Edmundson for Faulk so we still got good value out of that asset. It was Carolina he busted on.
+1000000000...
Erik was a TREMENDOUS get for us, and the fact that we also got a 1st made that a bit of a one sided trade in our favor. The day we got him he was 6'0" at 202lbs, great power skater that was nearly impossible to shake off a puck and dominated every zone that he played in. I was very excited the day we got him as I expected him to be in a Blues uniform at the start of the next season (middle six wing).
IMO, if he didn't have the serious concussion issues, he'd still be on our roster pumping in 50pts a season and a fan favorite, and possibly a letter on his sweater. Truly a shame his career ended at such a young age...
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
I think that this sequence events is another reason that points to Schenn leaving. That had to be upsetting to Schenn to hear that Army was willing to trade him, the Captain, despite the no-trade clause, and despite that they were still in the hunt for the playoffs. That was a no-confidence move to say the least.
It's not out of character for Army however. Let's not forget the Paul Stastny trade under the same conditions.
Iirc, Army didn't get much for Paul though. The worst part of the return was a 5'10" 'power forward' prospect with a concussion history that continued through his history as part of the Blues organization and eventually took him out of hockey
Erik Foley is who you’re referring to. He was 6’0” though, not 5’10”. I really wish we could’ve seen what he could’ve been as he was a (drat) good college player. The Jets didn’t sell us damaged goods though. He had a really bad concussion in the Frozen Four a few weeks after we acquired him. He then came back too soon and instantly got another concussion in I think his first game back playing for the Blues in the Traverse City tourney a few months later. Same guy clocked him both times actually. He never played again. I remember reading an update on him a couple years ago and it sounds like what he went through was brutal. If you recall the year Perron missed, having to sit in dark rooms, migraines 24/7…this kid went through that for years and still isn’t all the way right.
The other main piece for Stastny was a 1st rounder, which the Blues traded to move up a few spots and select Dominick Bokk. He was a bust but the Blues were able to trade him and Edmundson for Faulk so we still got good value out of that asset. It was Carolina he busted on.
+1000000000...
Erik was a TREMENDOUS get for us, and the fact that we also got a 1st made that a bit of a one sided trade in our favor. The day we got him he was 6'0" at 202lbs, great power skater that was nearly impossible to shake off a puck and dominated every zone that he played in. I was very excited the day we got him as I expected him to be in a Blues uniform at the start of the next season (middle six wing).
IMO, if he didn't have the serious concussion issues, he'd still be on our roster pumping in 50pts a season and a fan favorite, and possibly a letter on his sweater. Truly a shame his career ended at such a young age...
Agreed. He was tremendous at Providence. Not sure I held him in that high of a regard but I did see a guy that had all of be ingredients to be a longtime middle-6 winger. Reminded me of Mike Grier a bit.
Shame his career ended like it did. Basically before it even started. But at least he was able to collect his ELC money. Correct me if I’m wrong but since he was injured the 3 years of his ELC, he just stayed on SOIR (season opening IR) all 3 years and since he was never technically ever sent to the minors (because you can’t sent injured players down) he would’ve collected his NHL salary instead of AHL salary and thus got paid $925k each of those 3 years. Obviously not a great value for the Blues as he didn’t end up playing a single game for them but it happens sometimes. Last I saw Foley was able to get back to playing in a competitive but non-check men’s league.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 08:30 amHe already has a hat-trick with the Avalanche in his limited NHL games. Still loving this....
Just think how many jerseys that sold !!
Im supposing the Blues passed on Calum Ritchie because the Blues had already used the 10th pick on Dvorsky and the Blues had Stenberg higher on their list vs Ritchie. So far Stenberg has shown more both on the International stage and of course in pro hockey in the AHL. Who knows maybe Ritchie is the better player vs Dvorsky time will tell. Nothing to lose sleep over
Pierre McGuire wrote: ↑30 May 2025 15:07 pm
Ritchie is a really good player. I’m still shocked the Av’s gave him up but they truly believed they had a shot at the Cup. Pretty good trade for the Islanders
Armstrong wanted to trade Schenn at the trade deadline. Do you think that that Avs tried to get Schenn first, over Nelson?
I see that the Avs are trying to sign Nelson longer-term now.
No…pretty sure Army was discussing Schenn with Toronto.
if I had to guess, it was more TOR asking about Schenn than Army shopping him
again, just a guess
It was more than asking..they had a deal agreed upon.
I hadn't heard that.
I had heard that Army asked Schenn if he'd be willing to waive and he said yes if he would be united with his brother, otherwise he wasn't interested.
I think that this sequence events is another reason that points to Schenn leaving. That had to be upsetting to Schenn to hear that Army was willing to trade him, the Captain, despite the no-trade clause, and despite that they were still in the hunt for the playoffs. That was a no-confidence move to say the least.
It's not out of character for Army however. Let's not forget the Paul Stastny trade under the same conditions.
Iirc, Army didn't get much for Paul though. The worst part of the return was a 5'10" 'power forward' prospect with a concussion history that continued through his history as part of the Blues organization and eventually took him out of hockey
Erik Foley is who you’re referring to. He was 6’0” though, not 5’10”. I really wish we could’ve seen what he could’ve been as he was a (drat) good college player. The Jets didn’t sell us damaged goods though. He had a really bad concussion in the Frozen Four a few weeks after we acquired him. He then came back too soon and instantly got another concussion in I think his first game back playing for the Blues in the Traverse City tourney a few months later. Same guy clocked him both times actually. He never played again. I remember reading an update on him a couple years ago and it sounds like what he went through was brutal. If you recall the year Perron missed, having to sit in dark rooms, migraines 24/7…this kid went through that for years and still isn’t all the way right.
The other main piece for Stastny was a 1st rounder, which the Blues traded to move up a few spots and select Dominick Bokk. He was a bust but the Blues were able to trade him and Edmundson for Faulk so we still got good value out of that asset. It was Carolina he busted on.
+1000000000...
Erik was a TREMENDOUS get for us, and the fact that we also got a 1st made that a bit of a one sided trade in our favor. The day we got him he was 6'0" at 202lbs, great power skater that was nearly impossible to shake off a puck and dominated every zone that he played in. I was very excited the day we got him as I expected him to be in a Blues uniform at the start of the next season (middle six wing).
IMO, if he didn't have the serious concussion issues, he'd still be on our roster pumping in 50pts a season and a fan favorite, and possibly a letter on his sweater. Truly a shame his career ended at such a young age...
Agreed. He was tremendous at Providence. Not sure I held him in that high of a regard but I did see a guy that had all of be ingredients to be a longtime middle-6 winger. Reminded me of Mike Grier a bit.
Shame his career ended like it did. Basically before it even started. But at least he was able to collect his ELC money. Correct me if I’m wrong but since he was injured the 3 years of his ELC, he just stayed on SOIR (season opening IR) all 3 years and since he was never technically ever sent to the minors (because you can’t sent injured players down) he would’ve collected his NHL salary instead of AHL salary and thus got paid $925k each of those 3 years. Obviously not a great value for the Blues as he didn’t end up playing a single game for them but it happens sometimes. Last I saw Foley was able to get back to playing in a competitive but non-check men’s league.
I saw a lot of him (live) as my wife and I were stationed in New England, man that kid dominated games. It's a shame Providence didn't have more talent around him, as that would have solidified that program and his standing as a prospect.
