Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm
What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?
A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.
this is correct. we used to have a split of season tickets with friends.
We gave them up within 2 years, the pure hassle of:
-driving to the stadium
-parking
-waiting in a long line to enter the stadium
-waiting in a 5 minute line for the bathroom, 20 minutes for my wife
-waiting in line for an entire inning we missed to get food and drink, then spending 50 dollars for 2 drinks and 2 hot dogs
-waiting in line to exit the stadium
-hoping to avoid being harassed by beggars while walking to our car
-hoping our windows aren't broken (happened once)
-waiting 30 minutes just to exit the parking lot
-driving another 35 minutes home
hard pass
Absolutely perfect explanation.
Thank God old-timers who are either afraid of or uninterested in life aren’t the target demographic.
You think the young timers are MLB people?
If you want baseball to survive after you and I are gone, they better be. I for one hope so. The focus needs to be on my kids, not me and those older than me.
Young people are not baseball people. Are there exceptions? Yes. In general do young people dig mlb? No. Needs to shrink some anyway. Payrolls are bloated as hell, way too many teams that don't even try to compete, and the players union has steamrolled the ownership to the point that the contracts no longer even make sense. Owners are stupid as hell because the percentage of fat contracts handed to free agents that actually work out are so minimal they don't even make sense anymore
“Young people are not baseball people.”
That’s a hell of a declarative statement. If so, why not? Maybe because it’s a game that caters to older people and focuses more on the past than the future? Every time anything with baseball changes (DH, guys flipping bats, games on streaming services, etc.) people around here act like it’s the end of the world.
Maybe we should embrace the changes that will shift baseball’s demos younger, in hopes that they keep the game sustainable?
Because young people have the attention span of a gnat and baseball is, by nature, slow as hell.
And as I said many cities that have MLB teams have never sniffed success so why should their young fans invest in it?
I like baseball. I grew up in the seventies playing it and loving Lou Brock and company. This is just a different time we live in. I would still typically rather watch NFL or NHL than a baseball game though and I don't know that that was always the case. So maybe my attention span has shrunk some as well
OK, Boomer — I will remove myself from your lawn.
Boomer. The stone hurled by a millennial when they've run out of things to say.
And yes, my lawn is meticulous so I appreciate your self removal
You make an assumption about my generation that is inaccurate. I simply don’t think I or my generation are the center of the universe, unlike the Boomers.
Fun summer reading: “A Generation of Sociopaths.” Baseball (and the Cardinals specifically) cater to them at their own peril.
Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm
What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?
A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.
this is correct. we used to have a split of season tickets with friends.
We gave them up within 2 years, the pure hassle of:
-driving to the stadium
-parking
-waiting in a long line to enter the stadium
-waiting in a 5 minute line for the bathroom, 20 minutes for my wife
-waiting in line for an entire inning we missed to get food and drink, then spending 50 dollars for 2 drinks and 2 hot dogs
-waiting in line to exit the stadium
-hoping to avoid being harassed by beggars while walking to our car
-hoping our windows aren't broken (happened once)
-waiting 30 minutes just to exit the parking lot
-driving another 35 minutes home
hard pass
Absolutely perfect explanation.
Thank God old-timers who are either afraid of or uninterested in life aren’t the target demographic.
You think the young timers are MLB people?
If you want baseball to survive after you and I are gone, they better be. I for one hope so. The focus needs to be on my kids, not me and those older than me.
Young people are not baseball people. Are there exceptions? Yes. In general do young people dig mlb? No. Needs to shrink some anyway. Payrolls are bloated as hell, way too many teams that don't even try to compete, and the players union has steamrolled the ownership to the point that the contracts no longer even make sense. Owners are stupid as hell because the percentage of fat contracts handed to free agents that actually work out are so minimal they don't even make sense anymore
“Young people are not baseball people.”
That’s a hell of a declarative statement. If so, why not? Maybe because it’s a game that caters to older people and focuses more on the past than the future? Every time anything with baseball changes (DH, guys flipping bats, games on streaming services, etc.) people around here act like it’s the end of the world.
Maybe we should embrace the changes that will shift baseball’s demos younger, in hopes that they keep the game sustainable?
Because young people have the attention span of a gnat and baseball is, by nature, slow as hell.
And as I said many cities that have MLB teams have never sniffed success so why should their young fans invest in it?
I like baseball. I grew up in the seventies playing it and loving Lou Brock and company. This is just a different time we live in. I would still typically rather watch NFL or NHL than a baseball game though and I don't know that that was always the case. So maybe my attention span has shrunk some as well
One of my kids is in his early 30's.
Baseball, not football, not basketball, is his favorite pro sport.
He holds an advanced scientific degree and possesses a highly developed attention span.
No, young people do not reject baseball because it is slow.
Exactly. If anything, they reject it because it caters to the old and backward-looking.
Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm
What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?
A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.
this is correct. we used to have a split of season tickets with friends.
We gave them up within 2 years, the pure hassle of:
-driving to the stadium
-parking
-waiting in a long line to enter the stadium
-waiting in a 5 minute line for the bathroom, 20 minutes for my wife
-waiting in line for an entire inning we missed to get food and drink, then spending 50 dollars for 2 drinks and 2 hot dogs
-waiting in line to exit the stadium
-hoping to avoid being harassed by beggars while walking to our car
-hoping our windows aren't broken (happened once)
-waiting 30 minutes just to exit the parking lot
-driving another 35 minutes home
hard pass
Absolutely perfect explanation.
Thank God old-timers who are either afraid of or uninterested in life aren’t the target demographic.
You think the young timers are MLB people?
If you want baseball to survive after you and I are gone, they better be. I for one hope so. The focus needs to be on my kids, not me and those older than me.
Young people are not baseball people. Are there exceptions? Yes. In general do young people dig mlb? No. Needs to shrink some anyway. Payrolls are bloated as hell, way too many teams that don't even try to compete, and the players union has steamrolled the ownership to the point that the contracts no longer even make sense. Owners are stupid as hell because the percentage of fat contracts handed to free agents that actually work out are so minimal they don't even make sense anymore
“Young people are not baseball people.”
That’s a hell of a declarative statement. If so, why not? Maybe because it’s a game that caters to older people and focuses more on the past than the future? Every time anything with baseball changes (DH, guys flipping bats, games on streaming services, etc.) people around here act like it’s the end of the world.
Maybe we should embrace the changes that will shift baseball’s demos younger, in hopes that they keep the game sustainable?
Because young people have the attention span of a gnat and baseball is, by nature, slow as hell.
And as I said many cities that have MLB teams have never sniffed success so why should their young fans invest in it?
I like baseball. I grew up in the seventies playing it and loving Lou Brock and company. This is just a different time we live in. I would still typically rather watch NFL or NHL than a baseball game though and I don't know that that was always the case. So maybe my attention span has shrunk some as well
One of my kids is in his early 30's.
Baseball, not football, not basketball, is his favorite pro sport.
He holds an advanced scientific degree and possesses a highly developed attention span.
No, young people do not reject baseball because it is slow.
I didn't say no young people had MLB as their favorite sport, but he is an exception. NFL is by far the most popular sport in the US.
Your son also didn't grow up in the era that kids are in now. ie, phones in their face in the crib. My girls are 13 and 16 and even though I've introduced them them to Cardinals baseball since birth, they couldn't care less about them. However, my oldest will watch a little football with me.
Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm
What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?
A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.
this is correct. we used to have a split of season tickets with friends.
We gave them up within 2 years, the pure hassle of:
-driving to the stadium
-parking
-waiting in a long line to enter the stadium
-waiting in a 5 minute line for the bathroom, 20 minutes for my wife
-waiting in line for an entire inning we missed to get food and drink, then spending 50 dollars for 2 drinks and 2 hot dogs
-waiting in line to exit the stadium
-hoping to avoid being harassed by beggars while walking to our car
-hoping our windows aren't broken (happened once)
-waiting 30 minutes just to exit the parking lot
-driving another 35 minutes home
hard pass
Absolutely perfect explanation.
Thank God old-timers who are either afraid of or uninterested in life aren’t the target demographic.
You think the young timers are MLB people?
If you want baseball to survive after you and I are gone, they better be. I for one hope so. The focus needs to be on my kids, not me and those older than me.
Young people are not baseball people. Are there exceptions? Yes. In general do young people dig mlb? No. Needs to shrink some anyway. Payrolls are bloated as hell, way too many teams that don't even try to compete, and the players union has steamrolled the ownership to the point that the contracts no longer even make sense. Owners are stupid as hell because the percentage of fat contracts handed to free agents that actually work out are so minimal they don't even make sense anymore
“Young people are not baseball people.”
That’s a hell of a declarative statement. If so, why not? Maybe because it’s a game that caters to older people and focuses more on the past than the future? Every time anything with baseball changes (DH, guys flipping bats, games on streaming services, etc.) people around here act like it’s the end of the world.
Maybe we should embrace the changes that will shift baseball’s demos younger, in hopes that they keep the game sustainable?
Because young people have the attention span of a gnat and baseball is, by nature, slow as hell.
And as I said many cities that have MLB teams have never sniffed success so why should their young fans invest in it?
I like baseball. I grew up in the seventies playing it and loving Lou Brock and company. This is just a different time we live in. I would still typically rather watch NFL or NHL than a baseball game though and I don't know that that was always the case. So maybe my attention span has shrunk some as well
One of my kids is in his early 30's.
Baseball, not football, not basketball, is his favorite pro sport.
He holds an advanced scientific degree and possesses a highly developed attention span.
No, young people do not reject baseball because it is slow.
I didn't say no young people had MLB as their favorite sport, but he is an exception. NFL is by far the most popular sport in the US.
Your son also didn't grow up in the era that kids are in now. ie, phones in their face in the crib. My girls are 13 and 16 and even though I've introduced them them to Cardinals baseball since birth, they couldn't care less about them. However, my oldest will watch a little football with me.
So because your kids don’t care, young people don’t care and just have their phones in their face. Got it.
