Go for it. Eff the retool

[tyoung12290]

Playoffs aren't guaranteed in the future. We are in great position, playing well, and fun to watch

Keep the vets
Make a trade for a starter at the deadline. Maybe some bench help
Need to do something with Gorman

STL can and should continue the "reset" - and "go for it".
Trade N/A again, trade Mikolas, or trade Matz if the deal makes sense, throw in other pieces - such as King, Leahy, Fermin, Baker, Prieto, etc., if needed to create packages.
They are not part of the future, and the team would not miss them this year.
Use them to restock prospect depth.
Maybe add another quality 8th inning arm.
Then assess and recalibrate as needed in the offseason.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Agree except Leahy but dont think MO has the balls.. I think McGreevy could easily replace Fedde or Mik, and think we could cover for Hesley. The dude has ice in his veins but hes also been fairly hittable. I think we would downgrade defensively post Nado and that might have a ripple through our pitchers. But overall agree in selective selling and competing vs buying. I would only buy if its for a controllable upgrade but that will cost more than we probably should be spending.

[tyoung12290]

I actually kind of agree with Leahy as well. Hes been money but his Babip expected ERA and past perfomance say he might be overperforming.

[Melville]

I actually kind of agree with Leahy as well. Hes been money but his Babip expected ERA and past perfomance say he might be overperforming.

And he does not miss bats, which is an issue for relievers.

[rockondlouie]

IF the Cardinals are still in contention as we near the end of the trading deadline, then the ONLY one I'd definitely try to move is M. Mikolas.

Why if Mikolas is pitching well?

1) Because if he's pitching well the free-agent-to-be, who the Cardinals aren't re-signing, could actually bring back a decent prospect something unthinkable given his horrid 2023/2024.

and

2) M. McGreevy is sitting on the tarmac in Memphis where's he's pitching well and has been nothing but outstanding when handed the ball in St. Louis

I think the return for E. Fedde, unless he's pitching really well, would be minimal and the same for S. Matz.

They might be more valuable here if the Cardinals are making a run at the NLC or a WC slot.

There is no replacement for R. Helsley.

Dealing him 100% signals BDWJr is running up the white flag, I also question what the return would be.

NADO (NTC) most likely not going anywhere unless the Dodgers come calling.

JMO

[BrummerStealsHome]

Playoffs aren't guaranteed in the future. We are in great position, playing well, and fun to watch

Keep the vets
Make a trade for a starter at the deadline. Maybe some bench help
Need to do something with Gorman

We can make improvements for the stretch run without sacrificing the future. I think we know by now, and surely will in a coupld months, what assets aren't going to figure in the long-term plan. Stay the course. It's a good one.

[Talkin' Baseball]

IF the Cardinals are still in contention as we near the end of the trading deadline, then the ONLY one I'd definitely try to move is M. Mikolas.

Why if Mikolas is pitching well?

1) Because if he's pitching well the free-agent-to-be, who the Cardinals aren't re-signing, could actually bring back a decent prospect something unthinkable given his horrid 2023/2024.

and

2) M. McGreevy is sitting on the tarmac in Memphis where's he's pitching well and has been nothing but outstanding when handed the ball in St. Louis

I think the return for E. Fedde, unless he's pitching really well, would be minimal and the same for S. Matz.

They might be more valuable here if the Cardinals are making a run at the NLC or a WC slot.

There is no replacement for R. Helsley.

Dealing him 100% signals BDWJr is running up the white flag, I also question what the return would be.

NADO (NTC) most likely not going anywhere unless the Dodgers come calling.

JMO

The return last year for Tanner Scott (who is not as good as Ryan Helsley) was San Diego's #2, #4, #5, and #24 prospects. The #2 prospect was starting pitcher Robby Snelling who was the #44 overall prospect in MLB at the time. The return for Helsely might no be identical, but the market for closers is really good this year and he is the best one available. Why do we assume that we can't get a good return?

[Cusecards]

I find myself needing clarification from the members on CT.
I’m not seeing the CONNECTION between:
“Never about me always about the game”
AND
“Easy, Obvious, Correct”
Those repetitive statements seem to be in CONTRADICTION to each other??
Confused!

[blackinkbiz]

It's too bad that the #1 offense in MLB is in our division.

Not just #1 in baseball. Haven't checked since their series against the Rockies as they didn't score much during it, but they were on a historic pace of almost 1,000 runs.

Considering they were a middle-of-the-pack offense last season and they only added Tucker, a regression seems likely. Of course, they wouldn't be the first team to have a somewhat unique "magical season" that's a deviation from the norm so, we shall see.

We face them 13 times so as long as Cards are close, they'll have destiny in their hands.

[Futuregm2]

It's too bad that the #1 offense in MLB is in our division.

Good thing is we ain’t exactly chopped liver in offense. 7th best runs per game in the MLB, albeit we are 5th in the NL.

And 12th lowest in runs allowed per game. Again 5th in the NL.

[VegasVinny]

If a respectable return presents itself, I’d still move Helsley regardless of the standings.

The CORRECT BASBEBALL DECISION is to extend Helsley for another 4 years sometime in the next 30 days.

20 years ago, I would've agreed with you. However, the number of closers who throw 100+ mph that enjoy long careers are becoming fewer and fewer. Reliever volatility is real and if the Cardinals can get close to a Chapman-like return for Helsley, they'd be crazy not to do it.

[ClassicO]

The return last year for Tanner Scott (who is not as good as Ryan Helsley) was San Diego's #2, #4, #5, and #24 prospects. The #2 prospect was starting pitcher Robby Snelling who was the #44 overall prospect in MLB at the time. The return for Helsely might no be identical, but the market for closers is really good this year and he is the best one available. Why do we assume that we can't get a good return?

I agree.

[Futuregm2]

IF the Cardinals are still in contention as we near the end of the trading deadline, then the ONLY one I'd definitely try to move is M. Mikolas.

Why if Mikolas is pitching well?

1) Because if he's pitching well the free-agent-to-be, who the Cardinals aren't re-signing, could actually bring back a decent prospect something unthinkable given his horrid 2023/2024.

and

2) M. McGreevy is sitting on the tarmac in Memphis where's he's pitching well and has been nothing but outstanding when handed the ball in St. Louis

I think the return for E. Fedde, unless he's pitching really well, would be minimal and the same for S. Matz.

They might be more valuable here if the Cardinals are making a run at the NLC or a WC slot.

There is no replacement for R. Helsley.

Dealing him 100% signals BDWJr is running up the white flag, I also question what the return would be.

NADO (NTC) most likely not going anywhere unless the Dodgers come calling.

JMO

The return last year for Tanner Scott (who is not as good as Ryan Helsley) was San Diego's #2, #4, #5, and #24 prospects. The #2 prospect was starting pitcher Robby Snelling who was the #44 overall prospect in MLB at the time. The return for Helsely might no be identical, but the market for closers is really good this year and he is the best one available. Why do we assume that we can't get a good return?

To be fair I doubt Snelling was the #44 prospect at the time of the trade. He had a 6.01 ERA in AA and completely fell off the top 100 after that. Might still turn into something (he has a 4.00 ERA with a 11.2 K/9 this year in AA), but his luster had obviously gone away at the deadline time.

[RunSup]

Playoffs aren't guaranteed in the future. We are in great position, playing well, and fun to watch

Keep the vets
Make a trade for a starter at the deadline. Maybe some bench help
Need to do something with Gorman

Q: Spell "retool" with an 'F'.
A: There is no F-in retool.

Yes go for it.

Message to Mo:
Don't trade real prospects for short term adds. But also don't trade the key vets that are part of this run.

Respect what the team and the manager have done do far. Honor that fans see the effort and results and are starting to come back.

Do what you do best and find the middle of the road sweet spot and let it ride.

[rockondlouie]

IF the Cardinals are still in contention as we near the end of the trading deadline, then the ONLY one I'd definitely try to move is M. Mikolas.

Why if Mikolas is pitching well?

1) Because if he's pitching well the free-agent-to-be, who the Cardinals aren't re-signing, could actually bring back a decent prospect something unthinkable given his horrid 2023/2024.

and

2) M. McGreevy is sitting on the tarmac in Memphis where's he's pitching well and has been nothing but outstanding when handed the ball in St. Louis

I think the return for E. Fedde, unless he's pitching really well, would be minimal and the same for S. Matz.

They might be more valuable here if the Cardinals are making a run at the NLC or a WC slot.

There is no replacement for R. Helsley.

Dealing him 100% signals BDWJr is running up the white flag, I also question what the return would be.

NADO (NTC) most likely not going anywhere unless the Dodgers come calling.

JMO

The return last year for Tanner Scott (who is not as good as Ryan Helsley) was San Diego's #2, #4, #5, and #24 prospects. The #2 prospect was starting pitcher Robby Snelling who was the #44 overall prospect in MLB at the time. The return for Helsely might no be identical, but the market for closers is really good this year and he is the best one available. Why do we assume that we can't get a good return?

Helsley also has a well known injury history that MAY limit the return.

And his 2025 peripherals are down (strikeout rate, ect...) while his walk rate is up but his velo is still elite.

And we all know AJ Preller is a MORON, so if you could get him to do that again for Helsley.....then h e l l yes!

The Phillies would be the team to target given J. Alvardo's PED suspension but not sure what they'd offer.

Understand, IF the Cardinals are well behind the scrubbies and WC leaders, then I'm all for selling off Helsley, Fedde, Matz and Mikolas is he'd waive the NTC, NADO too for whatever you can get rather than see the FA's to be just walk.

[Futuregm2]

IF the Cardinals are still in contention as we near the end of the trading deadline, then the ONLY one I'd definitely try to move is M. Mikolas.

Why if Mikolas is pitching well?

1) Because if he's pitching well the free-agent-to-be, who the Cardinals aren't re-signing, could actually bring back a decent prospect something unthinkable given his horrid 2023/2024.

and

2) M. McGreevy is sitting on the tarmac in Memphis where's he's pitching well and has been nothing but outstanding when handed the ball in St. Louis

I think the return for E. Fedde, unless he's pitching really well, would be minimal and the same for S. Matz.

They might be more valuable here if the Cardinals are making a run at the NLC or a WC slot.

There is no replacement for R. Helsley.

Dealing him 100% signals BDWJr is running up the white flag, I also question what the return would be.

NADO (NTC) most likely not going anywhere unless the Dodgers come calling.

JMO

The return last year for Tanner Scott (who is not as good as Ryan Helsley) was San Diego's #2, #4, #5, and #24 prospects. The #2 prospect was starting pitcher Robby Snelling who was the #44 overall prospect in MLB at the time. The return for Helsely might no be identical, but the market for closers is really good this year and he is the best one available. Why do we assume that we can't get a good return?

Helsley also has a well known injury history that MAY limit the return.

And his 2025 peripherals are down (strikeout rate, ect...) while his walk rate is up but his velo is still elite.

And we all know AJ Preller is a MORON, so if you could get him to do that again for Helsley.....then h e l l yes!

The Phillies would be the team to target given J. Alvardo's PED suspension but not sure what they'd offer.

Understand, IF the Cardinals are well behind the scrubbies and WC leaders, then I'm all for selling off Helsley, Fedde, Matz and Mikolas is he'd waive the NTC, NADO too for whatever you can get rather than see the FA's to be just walk.

If they were to deal Helsley, I think you look at Dodgers or Phillies. Not sure if they’d deal him, but Mick Abel is interesting on the Phillies. He fell off of top 100 lists after last season, but he’s bounced back huge this year.

Wonder if Dodgers would be interested in Nado+Helsley.

[rockondlouie]

IF the Cardinals are still in contention as we near the end of the trading deadline, then the ONLY one I'd definitely try to move is M. Mikolas.

Why if Mikolas is pitching well?

1) Because if he's pitching well the free-agent-to-be, who the Cardinals aren't re-signing, could actually bring back a decent prospect something unthinkable given his horrid 2023/2024.

and

2) M. McGreevy is sitting on the tarmac in Memphis where's he's pitching well and has been nothing but outstanding when handed the ball in St. Louis

I think the return for E. Fedde, unless he's pitching really well, would be minimal and the same for S. Matz.

They might be more valuable here if the Cardinals are making a run at the NLC or a WC slot.

There is no replacement for R. Helsley.

Dealing him 100% signals BDWJr is running up the white flag, I also question what the return would be.

NADO (NTC) most likely not going anywhere unless the Dodgers come calling.

JMO

The return last year for Tanner Scott (who is not as good as Ryan Helsley) was San Diego's #2, #4, #5, and #24 prospects. The #2 prospect was starting pitcher Robby Snelling who was the #44 overall prospect in MLB at the time. The return for Helsely might no be identical, but the market for closers is really good this year and he is the best one available. Why do we assume that we can't get a good return?

Helsley also has a well known injury history that MAY limit the return.

And his 2025 peripherals are down (strikeout rate, ect...) while his walk rate is up but his velo is still elite.

And we all know AJ Preller is a MORON, so if you could get him to do that again for Helsley.....then h e l l yes!

The Phillies would be the team to target given J. Alvardo's PED suspension but not sure what they'd offer.

Understand, IF the Cardinals are well behind the scrubbies and WC leaders, then I'm all for selling off Helsley, Fedde, Matz and Mikolas is he'd waive the NTC, NADO too for whatever you can get rather than see the FA's to be just walk.

If they were to deal Helsley, I think you look at Dodgers or Phillies. Not sure if they’d deal him, but Mick Abel is interesting on the Phillies. He fell off of top 100 lists after last season, but he’s bounced back huge this year.

Wonder if Dodgers would be interested in Nado+Helsley.

M. Muncy (last 12 GP: .286 .417 .486 .902) has started to hit so doubt they'd have any interest in NADO but they definitely could use Helsley.

IF the Cards fall out of it, then get a bidding war going between the Phils and Dodgers!