Attendance

[desertrat23]

So it's not worth going to watch a team that's 32-24 so far?

Many negative arguments are removed when looking the real record and the biggest one is they do not win and they do nothing. Despite the pro and con arguments, the Cardinals had a 71-90 record in 2024 and the last one before that was 2007 then 1999 and 1997. Spin it how you like, but that indicates winning consistency to me. Since 2000 1st or second 20 times and 3rd -4times. Last place - 1990. Finally, I am sad because they did the WS every year, but to me the excitement that winning in summer brings, helps the overall atmosphere of the metro.

As compared to many on here, I don’t need a WS every year to enjoy watching the Cardinals. Just a competitive team that wins more than they lose.
With a good blend of veterans and young guys who are developing well. Like this season.

82-80 is not competitive.

"You know, in some places 'winning' is just a winning record, or even .500 is acceptable. Players have a nice season and go home, and get back to their families and so forth. But not in this city. Not with this franchise. Not with this history. And not with our great fans."

--Bill DeWitt, Jr. (2018)

(bleep) him for ignoring this comment.

[desertrat23]

So it's not worth going to watch a team that's 32-24 so far?

Many negative arguments are removed when looking the real record and the biggest one is they do not win and they do nothing. Despite the pro and con arguments, the Cardinals had a 71-90 record in 2024 and the last one before that was 2007 then 1999 and 1997. Spin it how you like, but that indicates winning consistency to me. Since 2000 1st or second 20 times and 3rd -4times. Last place - 1990. Finally, I am sad because they did the WS every year, but to me the excitement that winning in summer brings, helps the overall atmosphere of the metro.

As compared to many on here, I don’t need a WS every year to enjoy watching the Cardinals. Just a competitive team that wins more than they lose.
With a good blend of veterans and young guys who are developing well. Like this season.

82-80 is not competitive.

"You know, in some places 'winning' is just a winning record, or even .500 is acceptable. Players have a nice season and go home, and get back to their families and so forth. But not in this city. Not with this franchise. Not with this history. And not with our great fans."

--Bill DeWitt, Jr. (2018)

Bill DeWitt wants to win as much as anyone. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out. Who knew that Goldy, Arenado, Gorman, and Walker would all go backward at the same time. while all the new pitchers secured at the end of July the prior year would go on the IL?

Who would have guessed that prospects sometimes don’t work out and that veteran players always decline with age?

I don’t know, EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER WATCHED BASEBALL?????

[Cranny]

So it's not worth going to watch a team that's 32-24 so far?

Many negative arguments are removed when looking the real record and the biggest one is they do not win and they do nothing. Despite the pro and con arguments, the Cardinals had a 71-90 record in 2024 and the last one before that was 2007 then 1999 and 1997. Spin it how you like, but that indicates winning consistency to me. Since 2000 1st or second 20 times and 3rd -4times. Last place - 1990. Finally, I am sad because they did the WS every year, but to me the excitement that winning in summer brings, helps the overall atmosphere of the metro.

As compared to many on here, I don’t need a WS every year to enjoy watching the Cardinals. Just a competitive team that wins more than they lose.
With a good blend of veterans and young guys who are developing well. Like this season.

82-80 is not competitive.

"You know, in some places 'winning' is just a winning record, or even .500 is acceptable. Players have a nice season and go home, and get back to their families and so forth. But not in this city. Not with this franchise. Not with this history. And not with our great fans."

--Bill DeWitt, Jr. (2018)

Bill DeWitt wants to win as much as anyone. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out. Who knew that Goldy, Arenado, Gorman, and Walker would all go backward at the same time. while all the new pitchers secured at the end of July the prior year would go on the IL?

Who would have guessed that prospects sometimes don’t work out and that veteran players always decline with age?

I don’t know, EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER WATCHED BASEBALL?????

So, if you feel that way, rat, what would you do if you were running the show?

[Monsieur De Treville]

So it's not worth going to watch a team that's 32-24 so far?

90 percent of the fan base lives far from STL. Me- 800 miles. What are we supposed to do to show fan support in your estimation.

Move to downtown St. Louis, go to all the games, party at ballpark village, have tons of fun rooting for the club with other like minded people in baseball heaven and be loyal to what provides it. Some of us who have are living the best way any baseball fan can.

The least you can probably do is not bash on the club

“Loyal to what provides it?”

DO NOT QUESTION DEAR LEADER!!!

Don't try to frame that as some kind of a cult thing. That's ridiculous! The Cardinals support the community and their fans just as much (if not more) than they get in return. Busch Stadium and the surrounding facilities is my favorite place on earth and I have been to just about all the places worth going to. Nothing wrong with tipping the cap to the people who built it and run it. THEY DO IT FOR US! The least we can do is appreciate it, support it and be loyal to the folks that provide it.

It's one of the big problems with society, you spoiled rotten entitled brats are never happy and too cool to acknowledge anything, even when it is what you want and ask for. Don't do that, say thanks and have fun, try to get along and support the community. You're completely illogical.

You are an idiot plainly and simply.

“THEY DO IT FOR US!”

Yes the fact that their $100 million investment is now worth 2.5 BILLION certainly proves that ownership is only “in it for the fans.”

What a dolt!

That doesn't even beat the S&P 500, it was $150 they bought the team for.

They bought the team for $150 million and almost immediately sold 4 parking garages for $75 million.
Owning the Cardinals has been extremely lucrative for this ownership group.

[Adam2]

So it's not worth going to watch a team that's 32-24 so far?

90 percent of the fan base lives far from STL. Me- 800 miles. What are we supposed to do to show fan support in your estimation.

Move to downtown St. Louis, go to all the games, party at ballpark village, have tons of fun rooting for the club with other like minded people in baseball heaven and be loyal to what provides it. Some of us who have are living the best way any baseball fan can.

The least you can probably do is not bash on the club

“Loyal to what provides it?”

DO NOT QUESTION DEAR LEADER!!!

Don't try to frame that as some kind of a cult thing. That's ridiculous! The Cardinals support the community and their fans just as much (if not more) than they get in return. Busch Stadium and the surrounding facilities is my favorite place on earth and I have been to just about all the places worth going to. Nothing wrong with tipping the cap to the people who built it and run it. THEY DO IT FOR US! The least we can do is appreciate it, support it and be loyal to the folks that provide it.

It's one of the big problems with society, you spoiled rotten entitled brats are never happy and too cool to acknowledge anything, even when it is what you want and ask for. Don't do that, say thanks and have fun, try to get along and support the community. You're completely illogical.

Uh, No, they do it for a profit. They do not care about you, they care about what's in your wallet

I'm not buying that for a second. Even if what you state is true, my wallet is kind of open. Bring me good MLB baseball, happy juice served by pretty dancing girls in shorts at the club, yummy food and high energy bands to dance to, that's worth a few hundred a week to me. No joke, I have been to Saturday afternoon games and spent less than $20 got a free bobblehead, stayed after to watch amatuer game and the free concert, made a whole day out of it for less than $20. What else can you do on a Friday night that gives you a free promo item, has $5 beers, and a world class athletic show for less than $100? If you are a local you can get one of those Budweiser passes and go to all the games for $50 a MONTH and still get free giveaways. Cards Baseball is the best value around. But don't be cheap.

I've studied and been to all the MLB stadiums and cities, St. Louis is the most affordable overall of them all to live near a ballpark. Downtown St. Louis is the best value sports neighborhood in the world. This isn’t LA, New York Boston or even Wrigleyville. We have the same thing at the best prices.

I don't really care if you buy it or not. DeWitt is a businessman. He wants to make money, fans are just a number, the more the better because that means more money is being generated.

there's nothing wrong with that, that's how billionaires become billionaires. good for them

[rockondlouie]

DBack series had 30K+ crowds.

IF the team remains in contention AND BDWJr spends some money and adds at the deadline, then he might just get close to 2.5M.

Fun team, I've enjoyed every game I've been to this season.

When pigs fly, my friend.

You're right satch, BDWJr won't spend one thin dime even if the team is in contention.

[desertrat23]

So it's not worth going to watch a team that's 32-24 so far?

Many negative arguments are removed when looking the real record and the biggest one is they do not win and they do nothing. Despite the pro and con arguments, the Cardinals had a 71-90 record in 2024 and the last one before that was 2007 then 1999 and 1997. Spin it how you like, but that indicates winning consistency to me. Since 2000 1st or second 20 times and 3rd -4times. Last place - 1990. Finally, I am sad because they did the WS every year, but to me the excitement that winning in summer brings, helps the overall atmosphere of the metro.

As compared to many on here, I don’t need a WS every year to enjoy watching the Cardinals. Just a competitive team that wins more than they lose.
With a good blend of veterans and young guys who are developing well. Like this season.

82-80 is not competitive.

"You know, in some places 'winning' is just a winning record, or even .500 is acceptable. Players have a nice season and go home, and get back to their families and so forth. But not in this city. Not with this franchise. Not with this history. And not with our great fans."

--Bill DeWitt, Jr. (2018)

Bill DeWitt wants to win as much as anyone. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out. Who knew that Goldy, Arenado, Gorman, and Walker would all go backward at the same time. while all the new pitchers secured at the end of July the prior year would go on the IL?

Who would have guessed that prospects sometimes don’t work out and that veteran players always decline with age?

I don’t know, EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER WATCHED BASEBALL?????

So, if you feel that way, rat, what would you do if you were running the show?

Ah, the old “can you do better?” trope. On Page 13 of the playbook…

I’m not a billionaire who owns a baseball team. I’m not a professional baseball executive with a team of scouts. But here’s a few things to consider:

1. Don’t lay off coaches and run with a minor-league staff that’s a fraction of your rivals.
2. CONSTANTLY supplement your big-league roster with talent, not make a trade for vets like Goldy and Arenado, then call it a day. It constantly requires investment.
3. Stop crying poor. If you’re really hurting, open the books. We’re from Missouri. Show us.
4. After a last-place finish and a mediocre season last year, hold people accountable. Not reassigning Mozeliak to an advisory role after 24 is a slap in the face and probably cost the team a couple hundred thousand in attendance.

[Edson]

Team ownership and management have taken 3M fans walking through the gates every year for granted for far too many years and now it is coming back to bite them. This is coming from someone who used to vehemently defend this ownership and management group as well. For the price of two of us going to a game I can have all my friends over, cook for them all and supply the beer as well for the same cost(if not less) and watch it on my giant TV.

[Adam2]

Team ownership and management have taken 3M fans walking through the gates every year for granted for far too many years and now it is coming back to bite them. This is coming from someone who used to vehemently defend this ownership and management group as well. For the price of two of us going to a game I can have all my friends over, cook for them all and supply the beer as well for the same cost(if not less) and watch it on my giant TV.

agree with everything. That's how we watch the games, much better and more enjoyable than the hassle of going to the stadium

[Bomber1]

Team ownership and management have taken 3M fans walking through the gates every year for granted for far too many years and now it is coming back to bite them. This is coming from someone who used to vehemently defend this ownership and management group as well. For the price of two of us going to a game I can have all my friends over, cook for them all and supply the beer as well for the same cost(if not less) and watch it on my giant TV.

agree with everything. That's how we watch the games, much better and more enjoyable than the hassle of going to the stadium

+1.

I pay for FanDuel and have the game on the vast majority of the time.

But I’m not going to go to games.

Those that want to go to games - have at it and enjoy!

But stop with the “you don’t support the Cardinals if you don’t go to games”.

[desertrat23]

Team ownership and management have taken 3M fans walking through the gates every year for granted for far too many years and now it is coming back to bite them.

This sentence is impossible to argue with. It's the problem with this franchise in a nutshell.

[cardstatman]

Most fans don't care about how much money the owner is making or losing. They come to be entertained.

Winning brings fans to the ballpark.

Playing smart baseball brings fans to the ballpark and gives them positive things to talk about.

Losing and playing dumb baseball turns away fans. The effect is always delayed. Besides a 2-year reset, the Cards often played embarrassingly dumb in 2023-2024. Who wants to watch that?
2023 71-91 (run differential 719-829 for a .439 expected win%)
2024 83-79 (run differential 672-718 for a .465 expected win%)

+ offseason - no investment into the MLB roster (invested in Roger Dean facilities and miLB coaching instead but failed to sell that as a positive)
+ STL media spent the winter berating the team's ownership/coaches and the player's ability to compete in 2025.
+ the team did not deliver a cohesive message of hope to sell to the fans; allowed them to believe the media message that 2025 would be dismal.

= 2025 low fan enthusiasm to start the season

They have been winning in 2025, playing with passion, and have severely reduced the insane stupid decision making.

Fans will warm back up and return once they get convinced the product is worth watching again. Fans want to go home entertained instead of depressed after watching a game.

[TheFantasyStud]

I think another big factor in attendance is not having a big superstar.
The last few years attendance was up because it was the last time to see Pujols, Molina and even Wainwright.
My hope is a superstar emerges. I believe it will be Walker. Meanwhile, Scott and Winn look special but big time home run hitters put butts in the seat.
Goldy and Arenado last year really didn’t draw.
I just don’t think we’re going to trade for a superstar. We need to develop one. Who knows, maybe that will be Herrera out of no where.

[Cranny]

I guess some forget that the Cards have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons?

[desertrat23]

I guess some forget that the Cards have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons?

What kind of ring do you get for that?

[Adam2]

I guess some forget that the Cards have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons?

Doesn't make me want to go to the stadium more or less. The only time I have gone to a game in person in the last 10 years is if tickets were free and they were in the all-inclusive.

I used to have a season ticket share with friends, and we all just got tired of all the hassle involved with driving, parking, lines to get in, long lines at all bathrooms, missing an entire half inning to get food or drink because the lines are so long, waiting forever in traffic just to get out of the parking lot or garage.

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