He is never gonna be at a more valued position. Even the Yanks could use him, but they have enough now to mitigate the return. They are not desperate. The only contender I see as far n need is the Giants.rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 May 2025 11:07 amIf he'd waive the NTC, then I think he'd be easy to move BDog.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 10:55 am There is a problem though. No market. Mik value at an all time high. Which contending team needs a solid number three, and is willing to part with value to attain it.
I found only three teams who might have interest- Indians, Yanks, and Giants.
The yanks and Indians sit good enough to trade but not offer their best. Giants might be a little more desperate.
Not much to get.
The cost in late June/July wouldn't be a problem for a team like the Dodgers (seem to lose a starter a week), Yankees, ect.........
No John Smoltz like return but perhaps a prospect that makes it to MLB?
Mikolas is kicking butt....
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Not only is he pitching very well, he also would give the acquiring team comfort that he takes the ball every fifth day.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 11:12 amHe is never gonna be at a more valued position. Even the Yanks could use him, but they have enough now to mitigate the return. They are not desperate. The only contender I see as far n need is the Giants.rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 May 2025 11:07 amIf he'd waive the NTC, then I think he'd be easy to move BDog.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 10:55 am There is a problem though. No market. Mik value at an all time high. Which contending team needs a solid number three, and is willing to part with value to attain it.
I found only three teams who might have interest- Indians, Yanks, and Giants.
The yanks and Indians sit good enough to trade but not offer their best. Giants might be a little more desperate.
Not much to get.
The cost in late June/July wouldn't be a problem for a team like the Dodgers (seem to lose a starter a week), Yankees, ect.........
No John Smoltz like return but perhaps a prospect that makes it to MLB?
The Dodger starters drop like flies. They're getting Ohtani back, Kershaw's back too but who knows who they lose next month?
Dbacks and Red Sox could use him too.
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Imagine in previous generations a SP who game in and game out had to be pulled immediately upon reaching his 3rd time through the order at like 85 pitches. Madness!
But that's how most teams and games are, nowadays, anyway. Mikolas is lucky in that respect, otherwise he'd be a middle reliever.
The past few years his job has basically been to eat innings regardless of outcome (to save the 'pen) but this year they want the outcome.
But that's how most teams and games are, nowadays, anyway. Mikolas is lucky in that respect, otherwise he'd be a middle reliever.
The past few years his job has basically been to eat innings regardless of outcome (to save the 'pen) but this year they want the outcome.
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Not worth trading if the return is a marginal player that might make the big leagues.
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I want nothing to do with Lizard puke and his 10 WAR over 12 seasons, once his contract is done and his 4.02 Cards career ERAFuturegm2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 09:19 amAdam Wainwrightscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:28 amName 3 starting pitchers at age 40 within the last decade.CCard wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:08 amA lot of pitchers last until 40 or more. Fact is, if he pitches like this, I don't care if he's 80. If he pitches good and the price is competitive then I'm in.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 18:57 pmYeah, no... he'll be 37.5CCard wrote: ↑24 May 2025 17:35 pmMost likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 08:15 amNooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
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You've won the argument, IMO. You don't have to be coy w Hill's production. Yes, 58 innings at age 40, then averaged about 145 innings each of the last three years.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 12:36 pmI want nothing to do with Lizard puke and his 10 WAR over 12 seasons, once his contract is done and his 4.02 Cards career ERAFuturegm2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 09:19 amAdam Wainwrightscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:28 amName 3 starting pitchers at age 40 within the last decade.CCard wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:08 amA lot of pitchers last until 40 or more. Fact is, if he pitches like this, I don't care if he's 80. If he pitches good and the price is competitive then I'm in.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 18:57 pmYeah, no... he'll be 37.5CCard wrote: ↑24 May 2025 17:35 pmMost likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 08:15 amNooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
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I don’t want him playing for the Cardinals past this year either, of course. I was just answering your question to name 3 SP’s at age 40 within the last decade.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 12:36 pmI want nothing to do with Lizard puke and his 10 WAR over 12 seasons, once his contract is done and his 4.02 Cards career ERAFuturegm2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 09:19 amAdam Wainwrightscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:28 amName 3 starting pitchers at age 40 within the last decade.CCard wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:08 amA lot of pitchers last until 40 or more. Fact is, if he pitches like this, I don't care if he's 80. If he pitches good and the price is competitive then I'm in.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 18:57 pmYeah, no... he'll be 37.5CCard wrote: ↑24 May 2025 17:35 pmMost likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 08:15 amNooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
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I want to play too!Futuregm2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 12:59 pmI don’t want him playing for the Cardinals past this year either, of course. I was just answering your question to name 3 SP’s at age 40 within the last decade.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 12:36 pmI want nothing to do with Lizard puke and his 10 WAR over 12 seasons, once his contract is done and his 4.02 Cards career ERAFuturegm2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 09:19 amAdam Wainwrightscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:28 amName 3 starting pitchers at age 40 within the last decade.CCard wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:08 amA lot of pitchers last until 40 or more. Fact is, if he pitches like this, I don't care if he's 80. If he pitches good and the price is competitive then I'm in.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 18:57 pmYeah, no... he'll be 37.5CCard wrote: ↑24 May 2025 17:35 pmMost likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 08:15 amNooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
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Justin Verlander, Charlie Morton, Max Scherzer. I believe Adam Wainwright pitched also. Even cherry picking the last decade I could still find pitchers. What's your point?scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:28 amName 3 starting pitchers at age 40 within the last decade.CCard wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:08 amA lot of pitchers last until 40 or more. Fact is, if he pitches like this, I don't care if he's 80. If he pitches good and the price is competitive then I'm in.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 18:57 pmYeah, no... he'll be 37.5CCard wrote: ↑24 May 2025 17:35 pmMost likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 08:15 amNooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
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Do they have a cumulative 10 WAR for their career like Lizard PukeCCard wrote: ↑29 May 2025 12:42 pmJustin Verlander, Charlie Morton, Max Scherzer. I believe Adam Wainwright pitched also. Even cherry picking the last decade I could still find pitchers. What's your point?scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:28 amName 3 starting pitchers at age 40 within the last decade.CCard wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:08 amA lot of pitchers last until 40 or more. Fact is, if he pitches like this, I don't care if he's 80. If he pitches good and the price is competitive then I'm in.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 18:57 pmYeah, no... he'll be 37.5CCard wrote: ↑24 May 2025 17:35 pmMost likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 08:15 amNooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can

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Moving the goal posts are we? LOLscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 May 2025 12:47 pmDo they have a cumulative 10 WAR for their career like Lizard PukeCCard wrote: ↑29 May 2025 12:42 pmJustin Verlander, Charlie Morton, Max Scherzer. I believe Adam Wainwright pitched also. Even cherry picking the last decade I could still find pitchers. What's your point?scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:28 amName 3 starting pitchers at age 40 within the last decade.CCard wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:08 amA lot of pitchers last until 40 or more. Fact is, if he pitches like this, I don't care if he's 80. If he pitches good and the price is competitive then I'm in.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 18:57 pmYeah, no... he'll be 37.5CCard wrote: ↑24 May 2025 17:35 pmMost likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 08:15 amNooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can![]()