Mikolas is kicking butt....

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Re: Mikolas is kicking butt....

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Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:40 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:38 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:32 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:30 pm I don’t dislike him. I’m just not going to pretend that he’s pitching all that well just because he’s had a handful of good outings. His peripherals stink and I don’t think he’ll keep suppressing home runs like he has.
You clearly don’t like him.
Your comments in this thread were garbage and obtuse.
Take a hike!
Go Cards!!!!!!!
What have I stated that is the “garbage” that you disagree with?

Is a .180 BABIP against great pitching or good fortune?
Blah blah blah nice tap dancing.
You posted and I responded.
Guess where you can stick your “peripherals”?????
It’s strange that you’re this upset
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An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:45 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:40 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:38 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:32 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:30 pm I don’t dislike him. I’m just not going to pretend that he’s pitching all that well just because he’s had a handful of good outings. His peripherals stink and I don’t think he’ll keep suppressing home runs like he has.
You clearly don’t like him.
Your comments in this thread were garbage and obtuse.
Take a hike!
Go Cards!!!!!!!
What have I stated that is the “garbage” that you disagree with?

Is a .180 BABIP against great pitching or good fortune?
Blah blah blah nice tap dancing.
You posted and I responded.
Guess where you can stick your “peripherals”?????
It’s strange that you’re this upset
What’s also strange is you won’t own up to your statements.
Have a nice night!
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Re: Mikolas is kicking butt....

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Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:48 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:45 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:40 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:38 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:32 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:30 pm I don’t dislike him. I’m just not going to pretend that he’s pitching all that well just because he’s had a handful of good outings. His peripherals stink and I don’t think he’ll keep suppressing home runs like he has.
You clearly don’t like him.
Your comments in this thread were garbage and obtuse.
Take a hike!
Go Cards!!!!!!!
What have I stated that is the “garbage” that you disagree with?

Is a .180 BABIP against great pitching or good fortune?
Blah blah blah nice tap dancing.
You posted and I responded.
Guess where you can stick your “peripherals”?????
It’s strange that you’re this upset
What’s also strange is you won’t own up to your statements.
Have a nice night!
What exactly am I not owning up to? Did I stutter?

He’s gotten good results. I’m saying that he’s done this in spite of not pitching all that well.

You can disagree without being a doooosh. I haven’t danced away from anything.
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Re: Mikolas is kicking butt....

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An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:51 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:48 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:45 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:40 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:38 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:32 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:30 pm I don’t dislike him. I’m just not going to pretend that he’s pitching all that well just because he’s had a handful of good outings. His peripherals stink and I don’t think he’ll keep suppressing home runs like he has.
You clearly don’t like him.
Your comments in this thread were garbage and obtuse.
Take a hike!
Go Cards!!!!!!!
What have I stated that is the “garbage” that you disagree with?

Is a .180 BABIP against great pitching or good fortune?
Blah blah blah nice tap dancing.
You posted and I responded.
Guess where you can stick your “peripherals”?????
It’s strange that you’re this upset
What’s also strange is you won’t own up to your statements.
Have a nice night!
What exactly am I not owning up to? Did I stutter?

He’s gotten good results. I’m saying that he’s done this in spite of not pitching all that well.

You can disagree without being a doooosh. I haven’t danced away from anything.
It’s about the PERIPHERALS!
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An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:51 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:48 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:45 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:40 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:38 pm
Cusecards wrote: 24 May 2025 15:32 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:30 pm I don’t dislike him. I’m just not going to pretend that he’s pitching all that well just because he’s had a handful of good outings. His peripherals stink and I don’t think he’ll keep suppressing home runs like he has.
You clearly don’t like him.
Your comments in this thread were garbage and obtuse.
Take a hike!
Go Cards!!!!!!!
What have I stated that is the “garbage” that you disagree with?

Is a .180 BABIP against great pitching or good fortune?
Blah blah blah nice tap dancing.
You posted and I responded.
Guess where you can stick your “peripherals”?????
It’s strange that you’re this upset
What’s also strange is you won’t own up to your statements.
Have a nice night!
What exactly am I not owning up to? Did I stutter?

He’s gotten good results. I’m saying that he’s done this in spite of not pitching all that well.

You can disagree without being a doooosh. I haven’t danced away from anything.
I think you are wrong. He's gotten good results and pitched well for a significant period of time. No argument about low BABIP. Just pitching very well and getting very good results.
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An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:02 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 24 May 2025 14:47 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 14:40 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 24 May 2025 14:24 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 14:22 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 24 May 2025 14:09 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 24 May 2025 12:14 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 08:48 amHe’s had a fortunate run here of late but don’t let that fool you into believing he’s pitching like a 1 or 2.

He has a .180 BABIP against in May with a 4.64 FIP / 4.90 xFIP. Thats way more in line with his 4.66 ERA in the first month than his 2.01 ERA in May.

Nice to see him getting good results. I’d view it as unsustainable.
At this point I'd view anything around about a 4.50 ERA a success from him. I've seen many horrors through the years.
You remove his 2.2 inning / 8 run stinker vs Boston, and his ERA is 2.24 ERA the other 9 starts.

MM may have found something…
If you take out the 7 starts that he’s given up runs, his ERA is 0.00.
I only removed one start…
What is it if you only remove his best start?
It wouldn’t be an outlier like the Boston game.
He’s given up 5 ER or more 21 times since the beginning of 2023. It’s not really an outlier for him.

Sorry - I don’t see the results as sustainable. Maybe management thinks as long as they don’t let him go past 20ish batters and 80ish pitches, he’ll get outlier results.
Okay, I guess we will see. You might be right.

Not that you said this, but I’m not going off 2 or 3 starts in a row. I’m just saying 40% of his earned runs in 10 starts came from a stinker where he only threw about 4% of his total innings.

So in 9 of his 10 starts, he’s given up a total of 12 runs, for a 2.24 era.

Could be smoke and mirrors? But seems something has changed since ‘23-‘24.
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An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 08:48 am
CCard wrote: 24 May 2025 06:06 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 23 May 2025 21:22 pm He has been awesome for a couple months. Enough said.
As one of his biggest detractors, I must admit that he's making me eat my words, up to this point. If it continues then I would be up for a reunion, I guess. He's pitching like a number 1-2 right now. But, the season is long and fraught with peril. LOL
He’s had a fortunate run here of late but don’t let that fool you into believing he’s pitching like a 1 or 2.

He has a .180 BABIP against in May with a 4.64 FIP / 4.90 xFIP. Thats way more in line with his 4.66 ERA in the first month than his 2.01 ERA in May.

Nice to see him getting good results. I’d view it as unsustainable.
I would assume he can't pitch at this pace forever, but even doing anything close to this is a good thing.
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scoutyjones2 wrote: 24 May 2025 08:15 am
CCard wrote: 24 May 2025 06:06 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 23 May 2025 21:22 pm He has been awesome for a couple months. Enough said.
As one of his biggest detractors, I must admit that he's making me eat my words, up to this point. If it continues then I would be up for a reunion, I guess. He's pitching like a number 1-2 right now. But, the season is long and fraught with peril. LOL
Nooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
Most likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.
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blackinkbiz wrote: 23 May 2025 23:52 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: 23 May 2025 23:29 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 23 May 2025 22:29 pm
Dicktar2023 wrote: 23 May 2025 22:21 pm It won't last, but who could have guessed he had even this much left in the tank?

IMO he's the biggest surprise in this shocking month.
Maybe cards have recaptured their devil magic and pixie dust other fans used to complain about them having
Sure looks that way. A couple of upgrades at coach, Jay, Brown and Dusty Blake coming on, coupled with players willing to be coached and wow, what a surprise.

Also, a shout out to the umpire tonight. He was terrible. Marmol gets objected and that umpire looked irate arguing with Marmol. Then he umped a near perfect game after that. I will give him credit for improving and not holding a grudge.
FO had better not be duped by his contract-year performance and extract every pitch they can get and let him walk this offseason.

And that at bat of Herrera's was terrible. According to GameDay, ump called a ball on the same pitch earlier in the count when it was an inch closer to the K zone. MLB has to integrate ABS next season people are beyond sick of these primadonna umps.
I’m a fan of QOs. If he finishes strong give him one. Worst case he accepts and still maybe he performs next year. Eaither way it won’t break us for 1 year.

Better case he signs elsewhere and we get a draft pick that’s much more valuable than what we can get by trading him at the deadline
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ecleme22 wrote: 24 May 2025 17:27 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 15:02 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 24 May 2025 14:47 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 14:40 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 24 May 2025 14:24 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 14:22 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 24 May 2025 14:09 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 24 May 2025 12:14 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 24 May 2025 08:48 amHe’s had a fortunate run here of late but don’t let that fool you into believing he’s pitching like a 1 or 2.

He has a .180 BABIP against in May with a 4.64 FIP / 4.90 xFIP. Thats way more in line with his 4.66 ERA in the first month than his 2.01 ERA in May.

Nice to see him getting good results. I’d view it as unsustainable.
At this point I'd view anything around about a 4.50 ERA a success from him. I've seen many horrors through the years.
You remove his 2.2 inning / 8 run stinker vs Boston, and his ERA is 2.24 ERA the other 9 starts.

MM may have found something…
If you take out the 7 starts that he’s given up runs, his ERA is 0.00.
I only removed one start…
What is it if you only remove his best start?
It wouldn’t be an outlier like the Boston game.
He’s given up 5 ER or more 21 times since the beginning of 2023. It’s not really an outlier for him.

Sorry - I don’t see the results as sustainable. Maybe management thinks as long as they don’t let him go past 20ish batters and 80ish pitches, he’ll get outlier results.
Okay, I guess we will see. You might be right.

Not that you said this, but I’m not going off 2 or 3 starts in a row. I’m just saying 40% of his earned runs in 10 starts came from a stinker where he only threw about 4% of his total innings.

So in 9 of his 10 starts, he’s given up a total of 12 runs, for a 2.24 era.

Could be smoke and mirrors? But seems something has changed since ‘23-‘24.
He’s struck out less batters and walked more batters this year than the last 2 years.

But he’s given up a lot less hits and less HRs.

A lot of that stems from a .255 BABIP (vs .308 in 2023 and .310 in 2024).

His Barrel% is a career worst 10.8%

His hard hit% is every bit as hard as years past (42%).

His LD% is down (17% vs 21% last 2 years) and his FB% is up (45% vs 36% last year). But his HR/FB is 4.1% vs 12% last year)
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CCard wrote: 24 May 2025 17:35 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 24 May 2025 08:15 am
CCard wrote: 24 May 2025 06:06 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 23 May 2025 21:22 pm He has been awesome for a couple months. Enough said.
As one of his biggest detractors, I must admit that he's making me eat my words, up to this point. If it continues then I would be up for a reunion, I guess. He's pitching like a number 1-2 right now. But, the season is long and fraught with peril. LOL
Nooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
Most likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.
Yeah, no... he'll be 37.5
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scoutyjones2 wrote: 24 May 2025 18:57 pm
CCard wrote: 24 May 2025 17:35 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 24 May 2025 08:15 am
CCard wrote: 24 May 2025 06:06 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 23 May 2025 21:22 pm He has been awesome for a couple months. Enough said.
As one of his biggest detractors, I must admit that he's making me eat my words, up to this point. If it continues then I would be up for a reunion, I guess. He's pitching like a number 1-2 right now. But, the season is long and fraught with peril. LOL
Nooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
Most likely, but if he pitches any where near like he's pitching now and can be had cheap, well, you never have enough pitching as they say.
Yeah, no... he'll be 37.5
Exactly.

Can we just be pleased he has been productive thus far?
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scoutyjones2 wrote: 24 May 2025 08:15 am
CCard wrote: 24 May 2025 06:06 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 23 May 2025 21:22 pm He has been awesome for a couple months. Enough said.
As one of his biggest detractors, I must admit that he's making me eat my words, up to this point. If it continues then I would be up for a reunion, I guess. He's pitching like a number 1-2 right now. But, the season is long and fraught with peril. LOL
Nooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
I
This. There's a time & a place for everything & his time & place with the Cardinals is coming to an end. I don't know that it's luck. I think it's just the Waino thing: He's got great stuff sometimes & when he doesn't, he throws BP.
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jw0595 wrote: 24 May 2025 19:51 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 24 May 2025 08:15 am
CCard wrote: 24 May 2025 06:06 am
hugeCardfan wrote: 23 May 2025 21:22 pm He has been awesome for a couple months. Enough said.
As one of his biggest detractors, I must admit that he's making me eat my words, up to this point. If it continues then I would be up for a reunion, I guess. He's pitching like a number 1-2 right now. But, the season is long and fraught with peril. LOL
Nooooo! This is his last season as a Card. No mas! Trade him at the deadline if you can
I
This. There's a time & a place for everything & his time & place with the Cardinals is coming to an end. I don't know that it's luck. I think it's just the Waino thing: He's got great stuff sometimes & when he doesn't, he throws BP.
Also, in the event the cards need to add a starter in 2026, why does it have to be bringing someone back from 2025?

That’s the Mo way of doing things.
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Preseason... my expectation for Mikolas was that he’d almost certainly be gone after 2025.
I still feel that way.
I also expected so-so results for 2025.
So I have to admit that his strong start has me intrigued:
1) He could help them compete for the division.
Or
2) He could raise his trade value come the July deadline!

Either way there is no chance he gets a Qualifying Offer
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But —- he’ll be gone at the break, in any event. Time for mcgreevy to come up.
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