I've notice the trade ____(fill in the blank) posts have stopped

[ScotchMIrish]

they shouldn't, this team should be dealing their 3b, gray, fedde and helsley

hot market for all of those players

and gorman,

3b and Gray have no trade deals. Fedde isn't pitching great since the 110 pitch game. Both he and Helsley are pending free agents. Who's your closer?

[ScotchMIrish]

I've been consistent.
Why allow Fedde, Miko, Matz, and Helsley to leave without any return? When they are doing well, it is time to trade.
PS - they aren't winning the WS even with these guys. (And no, this team isn't close to resembling the 2006 team.)

2006 they squeaked into the playoffs. 2011 they were wild card. Currently 4 game lead in the wild card. If they remain in contention for post season you would throw away the season for a rebuild?

Throw away the season? Please. I would not "throw away" the opportunity to build for the future on a very slim chance of winning a World Series. "Throwing away this season" would be to make that myopic mistake.

Have you compared the teams of 2006 and 2011 with this team?
First, that 83-win 2006 team was coming off two seasons of 105 and 100 Wins and had Albert who hit .331 with 49 HR and 137 RBI. The 2011 team had four all-stars with Albert, Holliday, Berkman and Yadier (his best offensive year). Plus Freese.

Trading for marginal prospects get us to a world series title?

[AtillaTheBlue1]

they shouldn't, this team should be dealing their 3b, gray, fedde and helsley

hot market for all of those players

and gorman,

3b and Gray have no trade deals. Fedde isn't pitching great since the 110 pitch game. Both he and Helsley are pending free agents. Who's your closer?

flawed roster and your worried about the closer position, who they could lose to free agency. lol

[rockondlouie]

I've been consistent.
Why allow Fedde, Miko, Matz, and Helsley to leave without any return?

+1

But I could see BDWr keeping all four if the team is still tending up and in contention for the NLC.

Why?

ATTENDACE is going UP = $$$$$$$

[sikeston bulldog2]

they shouldn't, this team should be dealing their 3b, gray, fedde and helsley

hot market for all of those players

and gorman,

At a minimum

I’m ok with Nado staying due to this team as it sits may be the best defensive in baseball.

However- Matz will be first to go, followed by Mik and Helsley. McG will take Miks slot. Grafecco will close.

Just removed 35M plus picked up at least six player/prispects. If Bloom and his people are good, one or two of those player prospects may fill that bat in LF.

[Talkin' Baseball]

they shouldn't, this team should be dealing their 3b, gray, fedde and helsley

hot market for all of those players

and gorman,

At a minimum

I’m ok with Nado staying due to this team as it sits may be the best defensive in baseball.

However- Matz will be first to go, followed by Mik and Helsley. McG will take Miks slot. Grafecco will close.

Just removed 35M plus picked up at least six player/prispects. If Bloom and his people are good, one or two of those player prospects may fill that bat in LF.

I think they should trade Mikolas. Things have gotten to the point where they could trade Mikolas (he is pitchable). I'm not at all convinced that Mikolas would waive his no trade clause. Maybe he would. They should try. As you point out, that opens a spot for McGreevy. It also saves them about $6M in salary.

[sikeston bulldog2]

they shouldn't, this team should be dealing their 3b, gray, fedde and helsley

hot market for all of those players

and gorman,

At a minimum

I’m ok with Nado staying due to this team as it sits may be the best defensive in baseball.

However- Matz will be first to go, followed by Mik and Helsley. McG will take Miks slot. Grafecco will close.

Just removed 35M plus picked up at least six player/prispects. If Bloom and his people are good, one or two of those player prospects may fill that bat in LF.

I think they should trade Mikolas. Things have gotten to the point where they could trade Mikolas (he is pitchable). I'm not at all convinced that Mikolas would waive his no trade clause. Maybe he would. They should try. As you point out, that opens a spot for McGreevy. It also saves them about $6M in salary.

They must stay the course for the reset. So far it has shown greatly who can play. That was the intent. Sort out by performance attrition. But, most responded.

Now. It’s a test of endurance. Part of the assessment.

[ClassicO]

I've been consistent.
Why allow Fedde, Miko, Matz, and Helsley to leave without any return? When they are doing well, it is time to trade.
PS - they aren't winning the WS even with these guys. (And no, this team isn't close to resembling the 2006 team.)

2006 they squeaked into the playoffs. 2011 they were wild card. Currently 4 game lead in the wild card. If they remain in contention for post season you would throw away the season for a rebuild?

Throw away the season? Please. I would not "throw away" the opportunity to build for the future on a very slim chance of winning a World Series. "Throwing away this season" would be to make that myopic mistake.

Have you compared the teams of 2006 and 2011 with this team?
First, that 83-win 2006 team was coming off two seasons of 105 and 100 Wins and had Albert who hit .331 with 49 HR and 137 RBI. The 2011 team had four all-stars with Albert, Holliday, Berkman and Yadier (his best offensive year). Plus Freese.

Trading for marginal prospects get us to a world series title?

I guess you don't want to compare this team to those 2006/2011 squads as you intimated.
You think keeping them all the entire season gets them a WS win?
And you've already declared that Hells, Miko, Matz and Fedde won't bring back any good talent that will help in the future. Wow.

[ScotchMIrish]

I've been consistent.
Why allow Fedde, Miko, Matz, and Helsley to leave without any return? When they are doing well, it is time to trade.
PS - they aren't winning the WS even with these guys. (And no, this team isn't close to resembling the 2006 team.)

2006 they squeaked into the playoffs. 2011 they were wild card. Currently 4 game lead in the wild card. If they remain in contention for post season you would throw away the season for a rebuild?

Throw away the season? Please. I would not "throw away" the opportunity to build for the future on a very slim chance of winning a World Series. "Throwing away this season" would be to make that myopic mistake.

Have you compared the teams of 2006 and 2011 with this team?
First, that 83-win 2006 team was coming off two seasons of 105 and 100 Wins and had Albert who hit .331 with 49 HR and 137 RBI. The 2011 team had four all-stars with Albert, Holliday, Berkman and Yadier (his best offensive year). Plus Freese.

Trading for marginal prospects get us to a world series title?

I guess you don't want to compare this team to those 2006/2011 squads as you intimated.
You think keeping them all the entire season gets them a WS win?
And you've already declared that Hells, Miko, Matz and Fedde won't bring back any good talent that will help in the future. Wow.

I did compare them. Did you read it? The 105 and 100 win teams didn't win the WS. Should the team have traded Pujols etc?

[ScotchMIrish]

they shouldn't, this team should be dealing their 3b, gray, fedde and helsley

hot market for all of those players

and gorman,

3b and Gray have no trade deals. Fedde isn't pitching great since the 110 pitch game. Both he and Helsley are pending free agents. Who's your closer?

flawed roster and your worried about the closer position, who they could lose to free agency. lol

What team with a poor TV deal doesn't have a flawed roster?

[Talkin' Baseball]

Everyone who takes the time to follow Cardinal baseball, and read and make posts on here, want the Cardinals to win. We have different approaches. Some are so eager to get there at the earliest possible moment and are willing to pay the price for that. That means keeping veteran players and letting them walk rather than getting a return for them while we can. It means possibly trading someone in to supplement the roster. Others are willing to take a more patient approach with the idea that the results may be more sustainable and are willing to pay the price. That means trading away veteran players who will not be here next year in return for players they think can make a difference for multiple years, even if it means missing the playoffs this year. I'm of the latter camp. I posted a thread recently about building a team for 95 wins to take the guesswork out of making the playoffs. I believe in that and am willing to pay the price.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Everyone who takes the time to follow Cardinal baseball, and read and make posts on here, want the Cardinals to win. We have different approaches. Some are so eager to get there at the earliest possible moment and are willing to pay the price for that. That means keeping veteran players and letting them walk rather than getting a return for them while we can. It means possibly trading someone in to supplement the roster. Others are willing to take a more patient approach with the idea that the results may be more sustainable and are willing to pay the price. That means trading away veteran players who will not be here next year in return for players they think can make a difference for multiple years, even if it means missing the playoffs this year. I'm of the latter camp. I posted a thread recently about building a team for 95 wins to take the guesswork out of making the playoffs. I believe in that and am willing to pay the price.

I want to compete every year. But I am realist and know for a team with the Cards revenues it is difficult to do without a constant stream of players from the farm and an occasional star. The announcement they were resetting and rebuilding a better farm was met positively by me and I wanted them to deal away a lot more players essentially throwing away 2025.

That was then. Well here we are May 27 with a much better record than I expected. I am torn if they are this close at the break which way to go. But again I am a realist. I "assume" without looking that the fans are returning to the games and as such there is no chance management deals off veterans for prospects if they are in contention.

So, I watch to see how they do the next 7 weeks. Keep winning and I'm behind adding a BP arm or two. Lose enough to fall into 3rd or 4th place I'm all gung ho with trading away any veterans that return a solid prospect.

Depends on what happens on the field.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Everyone who takes the time to follow Cardinal baseball, and read and make posts on here, want the Cardinals to win. We have different approaches. Some are so eager to get there at the earliest possible moment and are willing to pay the price for that. That means keeping veteran players and letting them walk rather than getting a return for them while we can. It means possibly trading someone in to supplement the roster. Others are willing to take a more patient approach with the idea that the results may be more sustainable and are willing to pay the price. That means trading away veteran players who will not be here next year in return for players they think can make a difference for multiple years, even if it means missing the playoffs this year. I'm of the latter camp. I posted a thread recently about building a team for 95 wins to take the guesswork out of making the playoffs. I believe in that and am willing to pay the price.

I want to compete every year. But I am realist and know for a team with the Cards revenues it is difficult to do without a constant stream of players from the farm and an occasional star. The announcement they were resetting and rebuilding a better farm was met positively by me and I wanted them to deal away a lot more players essentially throwing away 2025.

That was then. Well here we are May 27 with a much better record than I expected. I am torn if they are this close at the break which way to go. But again I am a realist. I "assume" without looking that the fans are returning to the games and as such there is no chance management deals off veterans for prospects if they are in contention.

So, I watch to see how they do the next 7 weeks. Keep winning and I'm behind adding a BP arm or two. Lose enough to fall into 3rd or 4th place I'm all gung ho with trading away any veterans that return a solid prospect.

Depends on what happens on the field.

It will be unclear in the moment- yet a decision will need to be made. What would you do if the outcome was unclear?

[82birds]

I know I am in the vast minority on Helsley situation but depending on the return the Cardinals getting the comp draft pick (as odd it may seem on surface) could wind up better than what the team gets in trade return.

Example When Brewers traded star closer Josh Hader they got a 4 for 1 deal from Padres . Sounded good at the time but didn't really pan out for the Brewers plus Hader value was higher than Helsley right now. (Not only more dominating at time of trade but Hader had year and half left on his deal with Milw. .. Helsley deal expires this year ) .
Since Helsley in free agency would be get a deal totallying over $50M , Cardinals would get top tier comp pick .. like 34th overall in draft.
Hit on that guy and he could be far better than anyone in a Helsley deal. (note: Masyn Winn was a 2nd rounder and look how good he turned out )
Since Bloom is building this team , I do not discount the value of an added pick in the top 30+ in the draft.

good points