Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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Contreras at cleanup. Gorman gets the start at 3B.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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With Contreras back, Burly is back to competing with Walker and Gorman for PT.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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Good for Contreras and Gorman- too bad for Arenado and Burleson. Morton is pitching and it will probably be a great day to pad stats.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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Burleson may be in tough spot. Walker has been hot the past 17 games ..hitting over .350 9 for 24 so Oli wants to keep playing him .
Herrera has DH locked down . Only catching rarely as Pozo gives Pages a day rest when Libby is pitching .
So despite a good batting avg. Burley has no path to be a regular in lineup as I see it .
Think a team wanting a left bat who wishes a full time guy may seek to trade for Burly at deadline. Would Cards trade him ? I think possibly yes
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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ramfandan wrote: 26 May 2025 11:25 am Burleson may be in tough spot. Walker has been hot the past 17 games ..hitting over .350 9 for 24 so Oli wants to keep playing him .
Herrera has DH locked down . Only catching rarely as Pozo gives Pages a day rest when Libby is pitching .
So despite a good batting avg. Burley has no path to be a regular in lineup as I see it .
Think a team wanting a left bat who wishes a full time guy may seek to trade for Burly at deadline. Would Cards trade him ? I think possibly yes
They should.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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3dender wrote: 26 May 2025 11:18 am With Contreras back, Burly is back to competing with Walker and Gorman for PT.
Burly is a way better hitter than those two!
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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stlbirdlover wrote: 26 May 2025 12:27 pm
3dender wrote: 26 May 2025 11:18 am With Contreras back, Burly is back to competing with Walker and Gorman for PT.
Burly is a way better hitter than those two!
where ya gonna play him?
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ramfandan wrote: 26 May 2025 11:25 am Burleson may be in tough spot. Walker has been hot the past 17 games ..hitting over .350 9 for 24 so Oli wants to keep playing him .
Herrera has DH locked down . Only catching rarely as Pozo gives Pages a day rest when Libby is pitching .
So despite a good batting avg. Burley has no path to be a regular in lineup as I see it .
Think a team wanting a left bat who wishes a full time guy may seek to trade for Burly at deadline. Would Cards trade him ? I think possibly yes
Couple of minor points on Walker: That's over the last eight games in which he has an AB, not last 17, or since May 14; Walker's average is .375, not .360.
Also, zero walks, and 29.2% strikeout rate.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 26 May 2025 12:34 pm
stlbirdlover wrote: 26 May 2025 12:27 pm
3dender wrote: 26 May 2025 11:18 am With Contreras back, Burly is back to competing with Walker and Gorman for PT.
Burly is a way better hitter than those two!
where ya gonna play him?
Injuries will figure that out.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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stlbirdlover wrote: 26 May 2025 12:27 pm
3dender wrote: 26 May 2025 11:18 am With Contreras back, Burly is back to competing with Walker and Gorman for PT.
Burly is a way better hitter than those two!
So Burly's defense at 1B is ok, as he does well on short hops it appears so far, but on some of the hard hit balls he doesn't even get the glove down on them as they scoot thru below him for hits.
I'm sure to most those look like sure hits, and understandable as you don't even see Burly react down. Contreras reacts much quicker to hard hit balls off the bat than Burly does from what I've seen, which is SSS, but I've replayed quite a few with Burly at 1B and he just doesn't react. With him I'd try and have him position with his glove much lower to start with like a lot of fielders do. It's possible in that position Burly is just very slow with his first step in his footwork. Idk.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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okcardfan wrote: 26 May 2025 12:47 pm
ramfandan wrote: 26 May 2025 11:25 am Burleson may be in tough spot. Walker has been hot the past 17 games ..hitting over .350 9 for 24 so Oli wants to keep playing him .
Herrera has DH locked down . Only catching rarely as Pozo gives Pages a day rest when Libby is pitching .
So despite a good batting avg. Burley has no path to be a regular in lineup as I see it .
Think a team wanting a left bat who wishes a full time guy may seek to trade for Burly at deadline. Would Cards trade him ? I think possibly yes
Couple of minor points on Walker: That's over the last eight games in which he has an AB, not last 17, or since May 14; Walker's average is .375, not .360.
Also, zero walks, and 29.2% strikeout rate.
unless you are prepared to play burleson in the outfield walker isn't blocking him --- at this point contreras/herrera are blocking burly and arenado is blocking gorman.... burly is gonna play 1b or dh and gorman 2b or 3b --- gorman has a slightly easier path to playing time as donovan is very capable in the outfield. when all of them are hitting, if that ever happens you have a very nice dilemma.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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Burleson should be DH today and Herrera catching
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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Baseball Savant wrote: 26 May 2025 14:35 pm Burleson should be DH today and Herrera catching
Herrera's days as a catcher are numbered and mercifully coming to an end.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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It lengthens the lineup on days he catches

A lot
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Baseball Savant wrote: 26 May 2025 14:56 pm It lengthens the lineup on days he catches

A lot
And weakens us defensively.
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Re: Contreras back in the lineup, Arenado and Burleson out

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Let's hope Gorman's wild throw was an aberration and not an indication of how bad he could be at 3rd base.

After watching Rolen and NADO, two of the all time great defensive 3rd basemen it could be really sad watching Gorman make 30 errors a season if he's NADO's replacement (and by all counts, that's Mo's plan.......maybe not Bloom?).
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