ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 09:08 amI definitely think that there was too much ‘winging it’ in ‘23-‘24 that potentially hurt his starter results.
I also think he just matured.
Yea, there's no guarantee that he would be pitching like this earlier had they handled him better, but they definitely mishandled him, and I'm guessing it didn't help.
But regardless, he's pitching like I think everyone hoped he would now and that's all I care about.
ecleme has been pretty insistent the last few years that he wasn’t mishandled… that this narrative was just making excuses for his inconsistent performance, so this “maturity” thing is just his hedge against having to acknowledge that his prior position was pretty far off base.
That’s not true. I’ve acknowledged how he was mishandled in May, ‘23, but also noted that he IS getting opportunities and eventually he needs to take advantage of them.
Was Pallante promised three months of starts last year? No. Yet he was given a tryout in late May and succeeded.
You have used Randy Johnson countless times with Libby as an example of how talent can struggle early on and needs to mature. You no longer feel this?
Come on…
Not doing this.
I referenced a bunch of pitchers who ended up being Hall of Famers that took awhile to gain traction.
THEN, you claimed that I comped Liberatore to Johnson… I had not.
Others have also referenced Johnson in conversation throughout the years.
Exactly. You compared Randy Johnson w Liberatore in regards to gaining traction and maturing.
I wasn’t implying you were saying ML will be as good as Rj.
