Who Do we Owe a Bigger Apology To: Mo or Oli?

[12xu]

I do not speak for "we", but as for myself, I owe neither of them an apology. I have criticized both, and for good reasons, in my mind. The current resurgence of the team does not indicate that Mo and Oli have suddenly become better at their jobs.

[Cranny]

I do not speak for "we", but as for myself, I owe neither of them an apology. I have criticized both, and for good reasons, in my mind. The current resurgence of the team does not indicate that Mo and Oli have suddenly become better at their jobs.

Really?

[WLTFE]

I do not speak for "we", but as for myself, I owe neither of them an apology. I have criticized both, and for good reasons, in my mind. The current resurgence of the team does not indicate that Mo and Oli have suddenly become better at their jobs.

+1...I agree...when the team sucks, posters say it's the players fault, no blame for DeTwit and Mo-ran...but when the team plays well, the front office (donkey) kissers take credit.

[desertrat23]

I do not speak for "we", but as for myself, I owe neither of them an apology. I have criticized both, and for good reasons, in my mind. The current resurgence of the team does not indicate that Mo and Oli have suddenly become better at their jobs.

Really?

Yes, really. Let's not pretend this is part of some grand, master plan. Remember the end-of-season presser? They told us the goal wasn't to compete, but to reset the payroll and the roster. Then their plan was to trade their most visible and most expensive player. It was only when that didn't work that the narrative started to shift to "hey, maybe we can win."

If you win the lottery and become rich you're not some fiscal wizard. You got lucky. And that's OK, but it doesn't mean anyone is owed flowers.

[Ozziesfan41]

I do not speak for "we", but as for myself, I owe neither of them an apology. I have criticized both, and for good reasons, in my mind. The current resurgence of the team does not indicate that Mo and Oli have suddenly become better at their jobs.

Really?

Yes, really. Let's not pretend this is part of some grand, master plan. Remember the end-of-season presser? They told us the goal wasn't to compete, but to reset the payroll and the roster. Then their plan was to trade their most visible and most expensive player. It was only when that didn't work that the narrative started to shift to "hey, maybe we can win."

If you win the lottery and become rich you're not some fiscal wizard. You got lucky. And that's OK, but it doesn't mean anyone is owed flowers.

Not to mention they were wanting to shed contracts but Gray contreras and Arenado refused to be traded. So because the players refused to be traded and Mo failed and those players he wanted to trade have contributed he should get credit for it? lol its crazy to think Mo deserves a kudos because he failed to do what he wanted to do and got lucky. Also Arenado said the team is coming to the ball park ready to win a game this season instead of hoping for something good to happen like the past couple of seasons. So the past couple of years Oli hasn't been able to instill in them that winning culture like Larussa used to but he should suddenly get credit for the new winning culture but not the losers mentality of the past couple of seasons?

[12xu]

I do not speak for "we", but as for myself, I owe neither of them an apology. I have criticized both, and for good reasons, in my mind. The current resurgence of the team does not indicate that Mo and Oli have suddenly become better at their jobs.

Really?

Yes sir, really.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

About time for them to be performing better. I owe them nothing.

[desertrat23]

About time for them to be performing better. I owe them nothing.

Exactly. It's hard to imagine why anyone would think "I'm sorry for thinking you wouldn't do your jobs well when you haven't done your jobs well for several years."

[Jatalk]

I have decided we owe Oli the biggest apology. What I have classified as simple stupidity is really a serious mental defect. Sorry Oli I did realize how serious it was.

[cardsfaninla]

I will save any "apologies" for later in the year. I freely admit that the team has AT TIMES been much better than I feared.

I am not giving but a tiny bit of credit to anyone besides the players. They have played pretty well.

Oli ... if we pile all his decisions on a scale it does not tilt the way a Cards fan would want. And, the same goes for MO. Our leadership is not great.

I continue to think the players are successful despite OliMo and not because of OliMo.

[BrockFloodMaris]

I do not speak for "we", but as for myself, I owe neither of them an apology. I have criticized both, and for good reasons, in my mind. The current resurgence of the team does not indicate that Mo and Oli have suddenly become better at their jobs.

Really?

Yes, really. Let's not pretend this is part of some grand, master plan. Remember the end-of-season presser? They told us the goal wasn't to compete, but to reset the payroll and the roster. Then their plan was to trade their most visible and most expensive player. It was only when that didn't work that the narrative started to shift to "hey, maybe we can win."

If you win the lottery and become rich you're not some fiscal wizard. You got lucky. And that's OK, but it doesn't mean anyone is owed flowers.

Not to mention they were wanting to shed contracts but Gray contreras and Arenado refused to be traded. So because the players refused to be traded and Mo failed and those players he wanted to trade have contributed he should get credit for it? lol its crazy to think Mo deserves a kudos because he failed to do what he wanted to do and got lucky. Also Arenado said the team is coming to the ball park ready to win a game this season instead of hoping for something good to happen like the past couple of seasons. So the past couple of years Oli hasn't been able to instill in them that winning culture like Larussa used to but he should suddenly get credit for the new winning culture but not the losers mentality of the past couple of seasons?

Agreed. The only guy I owe an apology to is Willson Contreras. I did not think he had the fortitude to move to 1B, play the position well, and be the heart and soul of this 2025 team.

[desertrat23]

I do not speak for "we", but as for myself, I owe neither of them an apology. I have criticized both, and for good reasons, in my mind. The current resurgence of the team does not indicate that Mo and Oli have suddenly become better at their jobs.

Really?

Yes, really. Let's not pretend this is part of some grand, master plan. Remember the end-of-season presser? They told us the goal wasn't to compete, but to reset the payroll and the roster. Then their plan was to trade their most visible and most expensive player. It was only when that didn't work that the narrative started to shift to "hey, maybe we can win."

If you win the lottery and become rich you're not some fiscal wizard. You got lucky. And that's OK, but it doesn't mean anyone is owed flowers.

Not to mention they were wanting to shed contracts but Gray contreras and Arenado refused to be traded. So because the players refused to be traded and Mo failed and those players he wanted to trade have contributed he should get credit for it? lol its crazy to think Mo deserves a kudos because he failed to do what he wanted to do and got lucky. Also Arenado said the team is coming to the ball park ready to win a game this season instead of hoping for something good to happen like the past couple of seasons. So the past couple of years Oli hasn't been able to instill in them that winning culture like Larussa used to but he should suddenly get credit for the new winning culture but not the losers mentality of the past couple of seasons?

Agreed. The only guy I owe an apology to is Willson Contreras. I did not think he had the fortitude to move to 1B, play the position well, and be the heart and soul of this 2025 team.

Hear hear. A great many people owe him an apology, starting with John Mozeliak and Oli Marmol.

[woofy25]

When you review the organization top to bottom Mo has been a disaster. Let the farm system deteriorate. Multiple bad trades and transactions. Hired weak managers fired good ones. Leaving the organization worse off than he found it. Of course ownership shares the blame.

I won’t judge Oli until later in the year. But he is not a managing wizard.

How did he hire weak manager(s) and fire good one(s)?

Matheny. Oli is questionable. Fired Schildt.

Shildt wasn’t that good. Most here wanted him gone before the winning streak. Mo hasn’t done a good job of hiring managers, that’s for sure.

The people who think Shildt is not a good manager just don’t get it. Was he perfect, no. Has he made the playoffs every season he’s been a manager from OD? Yes. Did he take over a .500 team and finish 41-28 while immediately improving the fundamentals of defense and base running? Yes. He may have a different philosophy in certain aspects of the game than his genius detractors. That doesn’t make him a bad manager. Hes managed at a 91 win pace over his career. Pretty darn good

[AnExParrot]

When you review the organization top to bottom Mo has been a disaster. Let the farm system deteriorate. Multiple bad trades and transactions. Hired weak managers fired good ones. Leaving the organization worse off than he found it. Of course ownership shares the blame.

I won’t judge Oli until later in the year. But he is not a managing wizard.

How did he hire weak manager(s) and fire good one(s)?

Matheny. Oli is questionable. Fired Schildt.

Shildt wasn’t that good. Most here wanted him gone before the winning streak. Mo hasn’t done a good job of hiring managers, that’s for sure.

The people who think Shildt is not a good manager just don’t get it. Was he perfect, no. Has he made the playoffs every season he’s been a manager from OD? Yes. Did he take over a .500 team and finish 41-28 while immediately improving the fundamentals of defense and base running? Yes. He may have a different philosophy in certain aspects of the game than his genius detractors. That doesn’t make him a bad manager. Hes managed at a 91 win pace over his career. Pretty darn good

He was regularly called "bubbles" and regularly made fun of for<checks notes> the size of his arms.

The things you list regarding the season he took over? Simply shows how easy the fix was, meaning Matheny was FAR worse than anyone here ever thought, including his most rabid detractors.

And, if he'd ended up with the Pirates instead of the Padres his win pace would be in the 70s.

[earp]

Who Do we Owe a Bigger Apology To: Mo or Oli?
that's funny

How about the BLUES

[Cranny]

I do not speak for "we", but as for myself, I owe neither of them an apology. I have criticized both, and for good reasons, in my mind. The current resurgence of the team does not indicate that Mo and Oli have suddenly become better at their jobs.

Really?

Yes sir, really.
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Better at their jobs? How about Mo. 2 losing seasons in the last 25. 2 World Championships. Of course some don’t like those bow ties and a sweater over his shoulders.