Time to lock up Brendan Donovan

[An Old Friend]

6 years...

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I remember when you said Hitler was cool.

[Quincy Varnish]

6 years...

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I remember when you said Hitler was cool.

He did. He and Jeffy25 were bouncing around contract scenarios.

I thought Jeffy was more of a Goebbels guy.

[ecleme22]

6 years...

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I remember when you said Hitler was cool.

He did. He and Jeffy25 were bouncing around contract scenarios.

I thought Jeffy was more of a Goebbels guy.

Don't know what to tell you. OldFriend said it.

[An Old Friend]

6 years...

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I remember when you said Hitler was cool.

He did. He and Jeffy25 were bouncing around contract scenarios.

I thought Jeffy was more of a Goebbels guy.

Don't know what to tell you. OldFriend said it.

I didn’t.

[ecleme22]

6 years...

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I remember when you said Hitler was cool.

He did. He and Jeffy25 were bouncing around contract scenarios.

I thought Jeffy was more of a Goebbels guy.

Don't know what to tell you. OldFriend said it.

I didn’t.

You did. Just can't remember if it was 4 or 5 years. But it was over 50mil.

I mean, this is the same guy (you), who has said little to nothing about extending Donovan and Noot until April '25.

[mattmitchl44]

Ideally, I'd want to lock guys up through their age 31 or age 32 seasons.

For Donovan, that would be like a three year contract with a team option for 2029 (his age 32 season).

Your idea is a good one if you are Cardinals FO but let me ask you , now look at your deal if YOU are Donovan.
He had his first year arb. this year. With his play this year , he will get a BIG bump in Year 2 of ARB...... He is 28 years old right now . Would YOU lock yourself into a 4 year deal (3 + option ) ?> If I was Donnie , I would NOT

Plus remember in his ARB this year Cards offered $2.85 when he asked for $3.3 The arbitor picked the Cardinals $2.85 so he lost $450,000 .
So losing that 1/2 million does not leave a good taste in his mouth (yes, they know it's a business but players also say OK , I will recoup that and maybe more by going to free agency then .

We never know what any individual player wants. The motivations of individual players are varied and different - some may want to get every last dollar they can, some may want security that comes with a long-term deal, some may want to leave the city they are in, some may very much want to stay, etc.

It's much easier to identify what kind of deal makes sense from the team's perspective.

[ramfandan]

Ideally, I'd want to lock guys up through their age 31 or age 32 seasons.

For Donovan, that would be like a three year contract with a team option for 2029 (his age 32 season).

Your idea is a good one if you are Cardinals FO but let me ask you , now look at your deal if YOU are Donovan.
He had his first year arb. this year. With his play this year , he will get a BIG bump in Year 2 of ARB...... He is 28 years old right now . Would YOU lock yourself into a 4 year deal (3 + option ) ?> If I was Donnie , I would NOT

Plus remember in his ARB this year Cards offered $2.85 when he asked for $3.3 The arbitor picked the Cardinals $2.85 so he lost $450,000 .
So losing that 1/2 million does not leave a good taste in his mouth (yes, they know it's a business but players also say OK , I will recoup that and maybe more by going to free agency then .

We never know what any individual player wants. The motivations of individual players are varied and different - some may want to get every last dollar they can, some may want security that comes with a long-term deal, some may want to leave the city they are in, some may very much want to stay, etc.

It's much easier to identify what kind of deal makes sense from the team's perspective.

The 3 year deal with an option would make great sense for the team , for sure .
Donovan currently has the 6th highest batting average in all of baseball and is playing Gold Glove caliber defense. He has exploded this year.
He is going to 'cash in' . Just think he is in a position to do a lot better than a 3 year deal (even with team option ). Maybe I will be wrong . If so, the Cardinals would have a steal .

[2ninr]

The new regime is not the old regime. Hopefully. Sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for. But I expect them to be much better at managing their resources. And their roster. Right now we have a wealth of guys a lot like Donovan and catchers. Next year we will need 2 more starting pitchers. If Walker flames out we are thin in the outfield. Don't be surprised if moving someone we like is an option.

[ramfandan]

The new regime is not the old regime. Hopefully. Sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for. But I expect them to be much better at managing their resources. And their roster. Right now we have a wealth of guys a lot like Donovan and catchers. Next year we will need 2 more starting pitchers. If Walker flames out we are thin in the outfield. Don't be surprised if moving someone we like is an option.

And I won't be surprised in a year from now, Bloom doesn't go out and make a blockbuster deal for a big time OF.
Fernado Tatis Jr ?

[scoutyjones2]

6 years...

Why? Where's he going

[An Old Friend]

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I think you did, but let's move on. I don't want to have a negative back and forth with you.

We wouldn't have so many of those interactions if you wouldn't just make things up. You don't get to just misremember a conversation, "think" I said something that I didn't, claim that as a basis of your argument, and then say "don't fight me on this thing I'm claiming you said that you might not have actually said"...

Get it?

I didn't suggest what you're claiming. If you don't want to have a negative back and forth, you'll accept that as the truth. Up to you.

[ecleme22]

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I think you did, but let's move on. I don't want to have a negative back and forth with you.

We wouldn't have so many of those interactions if you wouldn't just make things up. You don't get to just misremember a conversation, "think" I said something that I didn't, claim that as a basis of your argument, and then say "don't fight me on this thing I'm claiming you said that you might not have actually said"...

Get it?

I didn't suggest what you're claiming. If you don't want to have a negative back and forth, you'll accept that as the truth. Up to you.

Yeah, you did.

4 or 5 years, over 50mil.

You said it…

But, looks bad now. So you deny.

[An Old Friend]

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I think you did, but let's move on. I don't want to have a negative back and forth with you.

We wouldn't have so many of those interactions if you wouldn't just make things up. You don't get to just misremember a conversation, "think" I said something that I didn't, claim that as a basis of your argument, and then say "don't fight me on this thing I'm claiming you said that you might not have actually said"...

Get it?

I didn't suggest what you're claiming. If you don't want to have a negative back and forth, you'll accept that as the truth. Up to you.

Yeah, you did.

4 or 5 years, over 50mil.

You said it…

But, looks bad now. So you deny.

OK, so when you said you didn't want to get into a negative back and forth, you were lying about that, too.

Hey, I gave you a chance.

As an aside, the fictitious deal you're beating me up over is almost exactly what he's made/making in those 5 years.
2022-2026 salaries = $47.2MM

[ecleme22]

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I think you did, but let's move on. I don't want to have a negative back and forth with you.

We wouldn't have so many of those interactions if you wouldn't just make things up. You don't get to just misremember a conversation, "think" I said something that I didn't, claim that as a basis of your argument, and then say "don't fight me on this thing I'm claiming you said that you might not have actually said"...

Get it?

I didn't suggest what you're claiming. If you don't want to have a negative back and forth, you'll accept that as the truth. Up to you.

Yeah, you did.

4 or 5 years, over 50mil.

You said it…

But, looks bad now. So you deny.

OK, so when you said you didn't want to get into a negative back and forth, you were lying about that, too.

Hey, I gave you a chance.

As an aside, the fictitious deal you're beating me up over is almost exactly what he's made/making in those 5 years.
2022-2026 salaries = $47.2MM

You're the one who kept bumping it, brother. I changed the subject and wanted to talk about Donovan.

About your proposed deal for O'Neil: You just started talking about extending Donovan like three weeks ago. I'm guessing because of Donovan's big April. ONeill had a huge entire 2021 season. Why is it so out of the question that you wouldn't chirp about extending O'Neill?

Lastly, yeah, ONeill makin' that money. Has played 305 games in 3+ seasons wth a 4.0 WAR.

[An Old Friend]

The time to do it was 1-2 years ago.

You also said, after the 2021 season, the Cards should lock up O'Neil for 4-5 years for 50ish mil.

I don’t recall opining that at all.

I think you did, but let's move on. I don't want to have a negative back and forth with you.

We wouldn't have so many of those interactions if you wouldn't just make things up. You don't get to just misremember a conversation, "think" I said something that I didn't, claim that as a basis of your argument, and then say "don't fight me on this thing I'm claiming you said that you might not have actually said"...

Get it?

I didn't suggest what you're claiming. If you don't want to have a negative back and forth, you'll accept that as the truth. Up to you.

Yeah, you did.

4 or 5 years, over 50mil.

You said it…

But, looks bad now. So you deny.

OK, so when you said you didn't want to get into a negative back and forth, you were lying about that, too.

Hey, I gave you a chance.

As an aside, the fictitious deal you're beating me up over is almost exactly what he's made/making in those 5 years.
2022-2026 salaries = $47.2MM

You're the one who kept bumping it, brother. I changed the subject and wanted to talk about Donovan.

You changed the subject and made up another story... let's be real.

I've said for awhile that they should have extended guys like Edman and Donovan in years prior. There's no need for you to be dishonest here, AGAIN, and say I just started mentioning extending players.

It's kind of funny that out of one side of your mouth, you're saying I've advocated for extensions for years... but the other side, you're saying it just came up in the last couple of months.

It's impossible to keep your story straight when you're making up the details as you go along.

About your proposed deal for O'Neil: You just started talking about extending Donovan like three weeks ago. I'm guessing because of Donovan's big April. ONeill had a huge entire 2021 season. Why is it so out of the question that you wouldn't chirp about extending O'Neill?

I don't know why you think that. I've mentioned Donovan and Edman together numerous times as ideal extension candidates.

Lastly, yeah, ONeill makin' that money. Has played 305 games in 3+ seasons wth a 4.0 WAR.

OK, I'm glad we can finally be done talking about your made up deal that you've attributed to me.

2022 - 2024 Salaries: $14.2MM
2022 - 2024 Value (per Fangraphs): $35.7MM

[imetsatchelpaige]

Or maybe trade him once JJ is ready?

Not the sexiest option, especially since BD is playing like a beast, but with Miko, Matz, Maton and Fedde off the books, and Gray done just a year later, pitching could be a hole.

You do not trade Donovan. Ever.