CT poll- Rose in/out

[Bomber1]

In

As a player he's a slam dunk, 1st ballot Hall of Famer and that's what he's going in for not his managing which s u c k e d.

Once the Hall started letting STEROID freaks in, there was no reason to exclude Rose the Player anymore.

Agreed. If you let steroid freaks in you might as well let everybody in

Which proven steroid freaks other than Fat Papi are in?

I'll chime in: suspicions about Jeff Bagwell and Mike Piazza.

I also suspect Nolan Ryan (look at the rebound late in his career, and consider some of his Ranger teammates) and Cal Ripken Jr. (hard to believe he could play all those games and innings without assistance)

Suspicions yes, proof about any of those you listed - no.

[Ozziesfan41]

In

As a player he's a slam dunk, 1st ballot Hall of Famer and that's what he's going in for not his managing which s u c k e d.

Once the Hall started letting STEROID freaks in, there was no reason to exclude Rose the Player anymore.

Agreed. If you let steroid freaks in you might as well let everybody in

Which proven steroid freaks other than Fat Papi are in?

Okay if they let Fat Papi in even if he is the only one they let in then you had might as well let a guy in who gambled because obviously it doesnt matter

[Cranny]

Is it illegal for the owner of a horse entered in the Kentucky Derby, to bet on his horse to win? That’s what Rose did. He never bet against his own team which is critical.

[The Nard]

In. No question about it.

[Bomber1]

Is it illegal for the owner of a horse entered in the Kentucky Derby, to bet on his horse to win? That’s what Rose did. He never bet against his own team which is critical.

That is a terrible analogy.

[Ozziesfan41]

Is it illegal for the owner of a horse entered in the Kentucky Derby, to bet on his horse to win? That’s what Rose did. He never bet against his own team which is critical.

The rules are clear no betting period to win or lose its for a very good reason

[sikeston bulldog2]

Total tally. 27-7 In. About 80 percent.

[Idaho Cards]

In

[Cranny]

Is it illegal for the owner of a horse entered in the Kentucky Derby, to bet on his horse to win? That’s what Rose did. He never bet against his own team which is critical.

That is a terrible analogy.

Why? If you bet on your team to lose, you can make moves to hurt their chances. If you bet on them to win, the moves you make to win are moves you would make anyway.

[makesnosense]

Is it illegal for the owner of a horse entered in the Kentucky Derby, to bet on his horse to win? That’s what Rose did. He never bet against his own team which is critical.

That is a terrible analogy.

Why? If you bet on your team to lose, you can make moves to hurt their chances. If you bet on them to win, the moves you make to win are moves you would make anyway.

If you bet on your team to win you are not always making the moves you make anyway. That is a terrible take. You are making moves to win a bet. You aren’t worried about putting a tired arm out there with concern for tomorrow or anything past today. And as stated earlier when your in bed with your gambling mob they may demand you win or lose a game to satisfy their interests.

[Ozziesfan41]

Is it illegal for the owner of a horse entered in the Kentucky Derby, to bet on his horse to win? That’s what Rose did. He never bet against his own team which is critical.

That is a terrible analogy.

Why? If you bet on your team to lose, you can make moves to hurt their chances. If you bet on them to win, the moves you make to win are moves you would make anyway.

Not necessarily. You might leave a pitcher in to pitch 150 pitches when you should take him out a reliever who has pitched in 5 or six consecutive games who any other times you would not use him because its too much but you have to win this game today because you bet on it so you run him back out there you are potentially risking players injuries and careers by having to win this game. You may say well i dont need to win tomorrow or win the series but I need to win this game and sacrifice winning those games because you have to win this game. He may bring pitchers back on short rest to try to win when any other time he wouldnt. I'm not saying thats what happened but thats one of the main reasons why its illegal to bet on your team to win it will change the way you manage and potentially jeopardize careers of players or future wins. It will also put the manager in a position where the bookie controls them and can say lose this game or i will out you to baseball thats another big reason

[sp25]

Is it illegal for the owner of a horse entered in the Kentucky Derby, to bet on his horse to win? That’s what Rose did. He never bet against his own team which is critical.

Agree, bad analogy.

But let's take your example a step further: what if the horse owner didn't bet on his horse, what message does that send to other bettors? I would say the same message Rose sent on days he didn't bet on his team to win.

[ClassicO]

He certainly belongs in the All-Ugly HOF and the Douch HOF, but those have a lot of guys in them. I’m just glad not to have to hear about Pete after this is done.
They can let a lot of these guys in but we all know they have effective asterisks which represents the fact that the delay was all on them for being turds.

[mytake]

Out

[WLTFE]

Is it illegal for the owner of a horse entered in the Kentucky Derby, to bet on his horse to win? That’s what Rose did. He never bet against his own team which is critical.

Agree, bad analogy.

But let's take your example a step further: what if the horse owner didn't bet on his horse, what message does that send to other bettors? I would say the same message Rose sent on days he didn't bet on his team to win.

+1,000,000...bookies knew he would manage differently on days he didn't bet...and to believe that he only bet on his team to win is stupid. He lied for 20 [fork]ing years.

[renostl]

In

As a player he's a slam dunk, 1st ballot Hall of Famer and that's what he's going in for not his managing which s u c k e d.

Once the Hall started letting STEROID freaks in, there was no reason to exclude Rose the Player anymore.

412-373 Managerial Record

All 4 full seasons above .500.

In/out

Twisted SBD

He absolutely belongs in. I just don't want him in now because it isn't about honoring Rose, it is about Manfred garnering attention and media hype over a dead legend. This should have been done years ago when Pete could stand up, speak, and atone for his transgressions during a speech on a stage in Cooperstown.

I disagree. I saw the ban as lifetime and his capitulating after 20 years of lies doesn't erase that. He came out to sell his book. Now he's dead, he can be voted in

Didn't deserve to see himself make the HOF

+1...he's dead, still don’t want him in...and that he only bet on his team to win is bull[shirt]...he [fork]ing lied for 20 years.

I tend to agree with this.

And as far as whoever said “since steroid freaks are in, so should Rose be in”, I disagree.

Fat Papi got in, but:
Manny Ramirez - no
Barry Bonds - no
Mark McGwire - no
Roger Clemens - no
Gary Sheffield -no
Sammy Sosa - no
Rafael Palmeiro - no

Nor should they be.

Just like Rose.

All IMO.

Performance enhancement was not written on all walls as illegal
nor was it tested for. It's not the same offense. Players are enhancing their production. It plays out different
if all the players take it versus all players betting. It's mostly unfair to other players competing
with them, not the game itself.

Rose is an extremely difficult thing, especially for a guy with Reno in his name. Gambling isn't
much compared to other things BUT. Pete wasn't kept out for gambling. He could still gamble. He knowingly broke the
long standing rule and denied it. Arrogance?, He had more to lose than most.

I say that for those who say he only bet "on" his team to win. That's Pete's story. MLB dropped it
and let their decision ride on the black and white of that decision. Not all information was made
public. It's been suggested that the evidence was overwhelming.

As a player he, and all the all-time record holders should be in, yet here we are having reports and journalists
messing with or decision-making process. Pete complicates this further by being caught only while
being a manager not as a player.

Do asterisks or separate rooms really work? I don't think they do.

Sadly for all of that I must say, No.