BluesDom wrote: ↑13 May 2025 09:17 am
4 points in 27 games? Why the H.E. double hockey sticks would you think trading Kyrou for this guy is a good idea?
What is wrong with you people?
36 goals 70 points and plus 23. for 4 points. Really ridiculous. Stop it!!
Well it could easily turn into a steal so that is why its appealing but just to much risk I think.
I mean this is a #2 overall RD....That is a VERY appealing player.
Key word in your response is “could”. We’re not yet in a position to take such a risk. Maybe in a couple years
It would be a calculated risk for sure. We’re talking about a player with the potential to be a Seider, McAvoy, Faber, Dobson etc caliber of RD though. If you wait a couple years to find out if he becomes that or not, if he does, then the cost is more like Thomas+. So that’s why you’d make a deal like this. His potential is simply far higher than someone like Bolduc. Bolduc being more proven is what bridges the top-end potential gap.
Remember how many Blues fans were ready to move on from Petro after he struggled to stick in the NHL his first couple seasons? Sometimes it just takes these guys some time to get it all figured out. Playing D in the best league in the world is super super hard. Not too many 19-20 year olds can just jump right in and be successful right away.
The Blues have pro scouts for a reason. One of them being the GM of the T-Birds Kevin Maxwell, who I’m sure saw Nemec a bunch. If they think this kid still has top potential and he’s truly available, I think they should pounce.
bud white wrote: ↑12 May 2025 21:29 pm
Admittedly I don't know a lot about the kid. But a glimpse at his history shows that he didn't go the major junior route - been in Slovakia / Europe. So his issues could be due to ongoing adaptation to the North American / NHL game, and he'(poop) a plateau for the time being.
Honestly, the way Buchnevich has been reacting to the Game 7 loss ... I can't WAIT to see him on the ice next season. I'll wager he'll have a monster year. At least I hope so. He's been a bit frustrating, I have to admit.
On a hunch, I went back to the Devils' roster.
Nemec is the only Slovakian player on that team. Add to this the fact that he didn't go Major Junior could point to a simple issue of homesickness / isolation / language barrior for his middling play. Wouldn't be the first time. Big expectations as a #2 overall ..
Before writing him off, one can consider the issues to be that of maturity and surroundings. Couple that with the well known learning curve of defenseman in the first place ...
The Blues have Dvorsky - who Nemec is playing with at the IIHF Worlds.
bud white wrote: ↑12 May 2025 21:29 pm
Admittedly I don't know a lot about the kid. But a glimpse at his history shows that he didn't go the major junior route - been in Slovakia / Europe. So his issues could be due to ongoing adaptation to the North American / NHL game, and he'(poop) a plateau for the time being.
Honestly, the way Buchnevich has been reacting to the Game 7 loss ... I can't WAIT to see him on the ice next season. I'll wager he'll have a monster year. At least I hope so. He's been a bit frustrating, I have to admit.
On a hunch, I went back to the Devils' roster.
Nemec is the only Slovakian player on that team. Add to this the fact that he didn't go Major Junior could point to a simple issue of homesickness / isolation / language barrior for his middling play. Wouldn't be the first time. Big expectations as a #2 overall ..
Before writing him off, one can consider the issues to be that of maturity and surroundings. Couple that with the well known learning curve of defenseman in the first place ...
The Blues have Dvorsky - who Nemec is playing with at the IIHF Worlds.
Nemec is not at the World Championships actually. Said he needed to take care of a shoulder issue that occurred in an Olympic qualifying match instead.
But that right there is a valuable piece of info actually. The Olympic qualifier he played in was right before this past NHL season. So he played this entire season with some sort of shoulder issue. Below is an article on it. He says it doesn’t need surgery but that his goal this summer is to get it back to 100%. https://thehockeywriters.com/devils-sim ... 5-season/
It’s certainly possible that this shoulder issue could’ve thrown him off his game quite a bit this season.
BluesDom wrote: ↑13 May 2025 09:17 am
4 points in 27 games? Why the H.E. double hockey sticks would you think trading Kyrou for this guy is a good idea?
What is wrong with you people?
36 goals 70 points and plus 23. for 4 points. Really ridiculous. Stop it!!
Well it could easily turn into a steal so that is why its appealing but just to much risk I think.
I mean this is a #2 overall RD....That is a VERY appealing player.
Key word in your response is “could”. We’re not yet in a position to take such a risk. Maybe in a couple years
It would be a calculated risk for sure. We’re talking about a player with the potential to be a Seider, McAvoy, Faber, Dobson etc caliber of RD though. If you wait a couple years to find out if he becomes that or not, if he does, then the cost is more like Thomas+. So that’s why you’d make a deal like this. His potential is simply far higher than someone like Bolduc. Bolduc being more proven is what bridges the top-end potential gap.
Remember how many Blues fans were ready to move on from Petro after he struggled to stick in the NHL his first couple seasons? Sometimes it just takes these guys some time to get it all figured out. Playing D in the best league in the world is super super hard. Not too many 19-20 year olds can just jump right in and be successful right away.
The Blues have pro scouts for a reason. One of them being the GM of the T-Birds Kevin Maxwell, who I’m sure saw Nemec a bunch. If they think this kid still has top potential and he’s truly available, I think they should pounce.
We've also seen what the Blues coaches can do with young dmen, Tyler Tucker did anyone a few seasons ago really see what Tucker's potential could be? Did being coached up by the Blues staff help Broberg get settled in an play so well?
There is way too much automatic dismissal of this player as a possible target in a world where a lot of things were said about Broberg. I didn't even want Broberg before I saw him play in the playoffs for Edmonton so I'm not casting stones. But where the Blues are at with having no player like this besides a longshot in Jiricek who still needs years, they may need to take a calculated risk. Whether it's specifically Nemec or not. As MN points out once you remove the risks the value skyrockets and honestly they stop being available.
It's not an easy thing to take a risk when you have to give up players already attached. Those people are set to scream about how terrible the idea was if it doesn't work, fans are pretty risk averse but fans are also often pretty limited in their scope outside of their own system's players.
seattleblue wrote: ↑13 May 2025 13:53 pm
There is way too much automatic dismissal of this player as a possible target in a world where a lot of things were said about Broberg. I didn't even want Broberg before I saw him play in the playoffs for Edmonton so I'm not casting stones. But where the Blues are at with having no player like this besides a longshot in Jiricek who still needs years, they may need to take a calculated risk. Whether it's specifically Nemec or not. As MN points out once you remove the risks the value skyrockets and honestly they stop being available.
It's not an easy thing to take a risk when you have to give up players already attached. Those people are set to scream about how terrible the idea was if it doesn't work, fans are pretty risk averse but fans are also often pretty limited in their scope outside of their own system's players.
I don't see New Jersey moving anybody until they know when the Quinn Hughes situation is going to play out. Have to think the Canucks are going to get a haul of their best young players
What is Tucker's potential? He's a 3rd pairing/depth guy that Monty took a shine to who blew up a knee/leg while skating in a game. When he heals and works his way back to 3rd pairing then maybe we'll see if he has more to offer. Not a guy I'd be penciling into the top-4; if he earns it, fine. He's not even a prototype 3RD, he belongs on LD.
seattleblue wrote: ↑13 May 2025 13:53 pm
There is way too much automatic dismissal of this player as a possible target in a world where a lot of things were said about Broberg. I didn't even want Broberg before I saw him play in the playoffs for Edmonton so I'm not casting stones. But where the Blues are at with having no player like this besides a longshot in Jiricek who still needs years, they may need to take a calculated risk. Whether it's specifically Nemec or not. As MN points out once you remove the risks the value skyrockets and honestly they stop being available.
It's not an easy thing to take a risk when you have to give up players already attached. Those people are set to scream about how terrible the idea was if it doesn't work, fans are pretty risk averse but fans are also often pretty limited in their scope outside of their own system's players.
I don't see New Jersey moving anybody until they know when the Quinn Hughes situation is going to play out. Have to think the Canucks are going to get a haul of their best young players
Maybe. But a lot of that depends on Hughes and the Canucks. The Devils can’t just put their entire offseason plans on hold and wait on clarify from the Canucks simply based on a report Quinn wants to play with his brothers.
Even if they do get clarity from the Canucks, they might determine the price is just too high and figure they’ll explore the idea in 2 years when Quinn becomes a UFA. Or play a game of chicken with Vancouver over the next 2 years to get the return price to come down. If Quinn truly wants out and to play with his 2 brothers in Jersey, then Vancouver is in a horrible position in terms of leverage. NJ would then have a ton of leverage but unless the 2 sides can come to a deal quickly, the Devils can’t just not make other moves this summer.
seattleblue wrote: ↑13 May 2025 13:53 pm
There is way too much automatic dismissal of this player as a possible target in a world where a lot of things were said about Broberg. I didn't even want Broberg before I saw him play in the playoffs for Edmonton so I'm not casting stones. But where the Blues are at with having no player like this besides a longshot in Jiricek who still needs years, they may need to take a calculated risk. Whether it's specifically Nemec or not. As MN points out once you remove the risks the value skyrockets and honestly they stop being available.
It's not an easy thing to take a risk when you have to give up players already attached. Those people are set to scream about how terrible the idea was if it doesn't work, fans are pretty risk averse but fans are also often pretty limited in their scope outside of their own system's players.
I don't see New Jersey moving anybody until they know when the Quinn Hughes situation is going to play out. Have to think the Canucks are going to get a haul of their best young players
Maybe. But a lot of that depends on Hughes and the Canucks. The Devils can’t just put their entire offseason plans on hold and wait on clarify from the Canucks simply based on a report Quinn wants to play with his brothers.
Even if they do get clarity from the Canucks, they might determine the price is just too high and figure they’ll explore the idea in 2 years when Quinn becomes a UFA. Or play a game of chicken with Vancouver over the next 2 years to get the return price to come down. If Quinn truly wants out and to play with his 2 brothers in Jersey, then Vancouver is in a horrible position in terms of leverage. NJ would then have a ton of leverage but unless the 2 sides can come to a deal quickly, the Devils can’t just not make other moves this summer.
There is enough out there that it would indicate that the Canucks already know his plans. I believe its going to blow up here soon...maybe it doesn't happen until next year but nobody else is going to give up anything of significant value to trade for him, if they know he's going to straight to Jersey when he hits UFA. The Devils have the assets to get a deal done now or within a year for sure.
seattleblue wrote: ↑13 May 2025 13:53 pm
There is way too much automatic dismissal of this player as a possible target in a world where a lot of things were said about Broberg. I didn't even want Broberg before I saw him play in the playoffs for Edmonton so I'm not casting stones. But where the Blues are at with having no player like this besides a longshot in Jiricek who still needs years, they may need to take a calculated risk. Whether it's specifically Nemec or not. As MN points out once you remove the risks the value skyrockets and honestly they stop being available.
It's not an easy thing to take a risk when you have to give up players already attached. Those people are set to scream about how terrible the idea was if it doesn't work, fans are pretty risk averse but fans are also often pretty limited in their scope outside of their own system's players.
I don't see New Jersey moving anybody until they know when the Quinn Hughes situation is going to play out. Have to think the Canucks are going to get a haul of their best young players
Maybe. But a lot of that depends on Hughes and the Canucks. The Devils can’t just put their entire offseason plans on hold and wait on clarify from the Canucks simply based on a report Quinn wants to play with his brothers.
Even if they do get clarity from the Canucks, they might determine the price is just too high and figure they’ll explore the idea in 2 years when Quinn becomes a UFA. Or play a game of chicken with Vancouver over the next 2 years to get the return price to come down. If Quinn truly wants out and to play with his 2 brothers in Jersey, then Vancouver is in a horrible position in terms of leverage. NJ would then have a ton of leverage but unless the 2 sides can come to a deal quickly, the Devils can’t just not make other moves this summer.
There is enough out there that it would indicate that the Canucks already know his plans. I believe its going to blow up here soon...maybe it doesn't happen until next year but nobody else is going to give up anything of significant value to trade for him, if they know he's going to straight to Jersey when he hits UFA. The Devils have the assets to get a deal done now or within a year for sure.
I mean the Devils probably already know his plans as well. Tough spot for the Canucks for sure.
DawgDad wrote: ↑13 May 2025 14:06 pm
What is Tucker's potential? He's a 3rd pairing/depth guy that Monty took a shine to who blew up a knee/leg while skating in a game. When he heals and works his way back to 3rd pairing then maybe we'll see if he has more to offer. Not a guy I'd be penciling into the top-4; if he earns it, fine. He's not even a prototype 3RD, he belongs on LD.
But as we saw in the playoffs a guy drafted #200 played a big role 3 games, a goal, 12 Hits, 17 TOI in his last game he controls the crease in front of Binnie very tough to play against. We see his potential even if its 3rd pair he can anchor that position from the 7th round. Thats a great job by the Blues developing this kid.
bud white wrote: ↑12 May 2025 21:29 pm
Admittedly I don't know a lot about the kid. But a glimpse at his history shows that he didn't go the major junior route - been in Slovakia / Europe. So his issues could be due to ongoing adaptation to the North American / NHL game, and he'(poop) a plateau for the time being.
Honestly, the way Buchnevich has been reacting to the Game 7 loss ... I can't WAIT to see him on the ice next season. I'll wager he'll have a monster year. At least I hope so. He's been a bit frustrating, I have to admit.
On a hunch, I went back to the Devils' roster.
Nemec is the only Slovakian player on that team. Add to this the fact that he didn't go Major Junior could point to a simple issue of homesickness / isolation / language barrior for his middling play. Wouldn't be the first time. Big expectations as a #2 overall ..
Before writing him off, one can consider the issues to be that of maturity and surroundings. Couple that with the well known learning curve of defenseman in the first place ...
The Blues have Dvorsky - who Nemec is playing with at the IIHF Worlds.
I agree. 100% while a risk, there might be a reason for his issues.
We are not a contender and shouldnt be thinking of anyone over 23.
Tabasco Flowers wrote: ↑13 May 2025 15:14 pm
He'a RHD, a great toolkit, hockey sense and great skater. NJ is going to have a lot of suitors.
He's only 21. Most D men "get it" unti they're 24-26.
I still stand by my original comment; it will take more than Rou.
Well tabasco souce you are wrong. Kyrou for nemec and something else.
It's never going to be Kyrou for Nemec+ IMO.
It would have to be Kyrou+ for Nemec+ and we'd have to be getting a roster player
This is in the world where he's available and is still a very strong top 4 defensive prospect per our pro scouts
