skilles wrote: ↑12 May 2025 12:50 pm
No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26
but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.
I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.
What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.
OP’s sole purpose is to just stir it up
Pretty much exactly right netboy.
These two players will go forward next season together...then apart.....then together.
If play offs come to the Blues they will play together......or apart.....or both.
Both players have the cred to give them the benefit of doubt regarding what this clown is trying to do here on the board which ultimatley once again makes little to no factual sense and pi-1zzzz poor common sense.
I'll go ahead, and say what the chickens are too afraid to cluck...
If you keep Kyrou and he goes south, Holloway will go with him. Hockey is a team sport, after all. That would be a shame, wouldn't it?
Regarding, Kyrou and if he was playing hurt, he said that he wasn't. At this point, it would only be a Mom that would suspect differently.
There's a number of Blues who I would not predict to go south in the coming year for any reason.
You have named 2 of them above.
Must be a lot of fun for you to root for this team eh?
skilles wrote: ↑12 May 2025 12:50 pm
No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26
but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.
I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.
What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.
OP’s sole purpose is to just stir it up
Pretty much exactly right netboy.
These two players will go forward next season together...then apart.....then together.
If play offs come to the Blues they will play together......or apart.....or both.
Both players have the cred to give them the benefit of doubt regarding what this clown is trying to do here on the board which ultimatley once again makes little to no factual sense and pi-1zzzz poor common sense.
I'll go ahead, and say what the chickens are too afraid to cluck...
If you keep Kyrou and he goes south, Holloway will go with him. Hockey is a team sport, after all. That would be a shame, wouldn't it?
Regarding, Kyrou and if he was playing hurt, he said that he wasn't. At this point, it would only be a Mom that would suspect differently.
There's a number of Blues who I would not predict to go south in the coming year for any reason.
You have named 2 of them above.
Must be a lot of fun for you to root for this team eh?
What is the value of Stan Musial, Albert Pujols, and Brett Hull to St Louis? Are you comfortable with NEVER AGAIN having an exceptional NHL player representing St Louis? I want one for St Louis, and I want to increase my odds of getting one. I care about that MORE than I care about getting to the playoffs and losing in Round 1.
So my rooting for the team consists of pointing out the failures of Armstrong. Kyrou is not a failure. However, Kyrou should never be confused with an exceptional player.
seattleblue wrote: ↑12 May 2025 16:19 pm
What happens to Holloway's performance if and when he and Kyrou are playing on a line in the playoffs together and his linemate Kyrou is hurt again isn't at all a point on the table for BluesTalk to answer. There is nothing established that says Holloway is a product of Kyrou, that's why nobody would even have to answer for it even if it were to happen.
Queue Jack Nicholson...
Here we have a man that can't handle the truth.
Run along then, SeattleBlue. This is a discussion for the Hockey Man table.
seattleblue wrote: ↑12 May 2025 16:19 pm
What happens to Holloway's performance if and when he and Kyrou are playing on a line in the playoffs together and his linemate Kyrou is hurt again isn't at all a point on the table for BluesTalk to answer. There is nothing established that says Holloway is a product of Kyrou, that's why nobody would even have to answer for it even if it were to happen.
Queue Jack Nicholson...
Here we have a man that can't handle the truth.
Run along then, SeattleBlue. This is a discussion for the Hockey Man table.
Don't make me roll my eyes at you now
Just kidding you there, Buddy. You join the discussion anytime you want, and I will not hesitate to nudge you towards the fountain of knowledge.
You gotta know by now. I'm much more like Schenn, than I am like Kyrou.
seattleblue wrote: ↑12 May 2025 16:19 pm
What happens to Holloway's performance if and when he and Kyrou are playing on a line in the playoffs together and his linemate Kyrou is hurt again isn't at all a point on the table for BluesTalk to answer. There is nothing established that says Holloway is a product of Kyrou, that's why nobody would even have to answer for it even if it were to happen.
Queue Jack Nicholson...
Here we have a man that can't handle the truth.
Run along then, SeattleBlue. This is a discussion for the Hockey Man table.
Don't make me roll my eyes at you now
Just kidding you there, Buddy. You join the discussion anytime you want, and I will not hesitate to nudge you towards the fountain of knowledge.
You gotta know by now. I'm much more like Schenn, than I am like Kyrou.
not a problem. I just object to your argument on the grounds that I don't think it's been established that Holloway's production is a product of Kyrou. Holloway is just a wildcat 200' player. He's likely to be fine with anyone in the playoffs once he's healthy.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑12 May 2025 20:20 pm
What is the value of Stan Musial, Albert Pujols, and Brett Hull to St Louis? Are you comfortable with NEVER AGAIN having an exceptional NHL player representing St Louis? I want one for St Louis, and I want to increase my odds of getting one. I care about that MORE than I care about getting to the playoffs and losing in Round 1.
-Initially signed and scouted as a pitcher
-13th round pick
-6th round pick, acquired via trade
seattleblue wrote: ↑12 May 2025 16:19 pm
What happens to Holloway's performance if and when he and Kyrou are playing on a line in the playoffs together and his linemate Kyrou is hurt again isn't at all a point on the table for BluesTalk to answer. There is nothing established that says Holloway is a product of Kyrou, that's why nobody would even have to answer for it even if it were to happen.
Queue Jack Nicholson...
Here we have a man that can't handle the truth.
Run along then, SeattleBlue. This is a discussion for the Hockey Man table.
Don't make me roll my eyes at you now
Just kidding you there, Buddy. You join the discussion anytime you want, and I will not hesitate to nudge you towards the fountain of knowledge.
You gotta know by now. I'm much more like Schenn, than I am like Kyrou.
not a problem. I just object to your argument on the grounds that I don't think it's been established that Holloway's production is a product of Kyrou. Holloway is just a wildcat 200' player. He's likely to be fine with anyone in the playoffs once he's healthy.
Ok. I see your point, and I mostly agree with it. However, on the flip-side, I can see that 1 speedy racehorse is not as effective as a twosome.
My full recommendation would be that Armstrong find another Holloway to go with Holloway, not just any 200-ft forward. And if he wants further advice, I'd recommend that he draft a few slots higher to accomplish that.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑12 May 2025 20:20 pm
What is the value of Stan Musial, Albert Pujols, and Brett Hull to St Louis? Are you comfortable with NEVER AGAIN having an exceptional NHL player representing St Louis? I want one for St Louis, and I want to increase my odds of getting one. I care about that MORE than I care about getting to the playoffs and losing in Round 1.
-Initially signed and scouted as a pitcher
-13th round pick
-6th round pick, acquired via trade
How many Hulls has Armstrong brought to St Louis?
To get one, the only way to accomplish it in our lifetimes is to draft TOP 5. Still not a guarantee, but it provides at least a chance.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑12 May 2025 20:20 pm
What is the value of Stan Musial, Albert Pujols, and Brett Hull to St Louis? Are you comfortable with NEVER AGAIN having an exceptional NHL player representing St Louis? I want one for St Louis, and I want to increase my odds of getting one. I care about that MORE than I care about getting to the playoffs and losing in Round 1.
-Initially signed and scouted as a pitcher
-13th round pick
-6th round pick, acquired via trade
Did this just fly over his head or he has no response?
So the 3 players he cites as "models" for the blues to alter their path and go find are:
Musial - signed as a pitcher took 3 years to make it to majors.
AP - a 13th round draft choice. Hockey has no such lowly position.
Hull - 177th pick by Calgary who traded him.
hahahaha....such fine examples for tanking to get talent and championships.
Since combining with Hollywood Holloway, these two practice together before and after games and on more than one occasion were quick breakout artists. I don’t see us trading him away, so now I think we have to take a chance that it’s these two that will combine for a lot of points and a lot of wins. Had they not surged together I was soured on Kyrou. I believe they were together for most of the 12 game winning streak.
I do worry about the undisclosed injury. Holloway had because what if he’s not as fast as he was before what if he wrecked his hip and is not the same player again? But the trainers know he’ll be 100% then we keep the new combination because they are better than Thomas and Kyrou were.
seattleblue wrote: ↑12 May 2025 16:19 pm
What happens to Holloway's performance if and when he and Kyrou are playing on a line in the playoffs together and his linemate Kyrou is hurt again isn't at all a point on the table for BluesTalk to answer. There is nothing established that says Holloway is a product of Kyrou, that's why nobody would even have to answer for it even if it were to happen.
Queue Jack Nicholson...
Here we have a man that can't handle the truth.
Run along then, SeattleBlue. This is a discussion for the Hockey Man table.
Don't make me roll my eyes at you now
Just kidding you there, Buddy. You join the discussion anytime you want, and I will not hesitate to nudge you towards the fountain of knowledge.
You gotta know by now. I'm much more like Schenn, than I am like Kyrou.
not a problem. I just object to your argument on the grounds that I don't think it's been established that Holloway's production is a product of Kyrou. Holloway is just a wildcat 200' player. He's likely to be fine with anyone in the playoffs once he's healthy.
Ok. I see your point, and I mostly agree with it. However, on the flip-side, I can see that 1 speedy racehorse is not as effective as a twosome.
My full recommendation would be that Armstrong find another Holloway to go with Holloway, not just any 200-ft forward. And if he wants further advice, I'd recommend that he draft a few slots higher to accomplish that.
I 100% agree on trying to get more Holloways!
I invite you to take a look at this video of Justin Carbonneau who is ranked 16th on the final central scouting NA skaters board for this upcoming draft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebfal70rpeI
Look at all the Holloway type game he has. My argument, and I hope you find it reasonable, is that Holloway wasn't a top 5 pick he was 14th, and there are players you can still get where we pick that add these crucial needed elements. We could get another Holloway type this year.
seattleblue wrote: ↑13 May 2025 09:56 am
I 100% agree on trying to get more Holloways!
I invite you to take a look at this video of Justin Carbonneau who is ranked 16th on the final central scouting NA skaters board for this upcoming draft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebfal70rpeI
Look at all the Holloway type game he has. My argument, and I hope you find it reasonable, is that Holloway wasn't a top 5 pick he was 14th, and there are players you can still get where we pick that add these crucial needed elements. We could get another Holloway type this year.
Wow. I really like Carbonneau, and he is very similar to Holloway. I would love to see him in a Blues jersey. Thanks for sharing.
Given the circumstances this year, if we could land another Holloway, it would be a huge win.
seattleblue wrote: ↑13 May 2025 09:56 am
I 100% agree on trying to get more Holloways!
I invite you to take a look at this video of Justin Carbonneau who is ranked 16th on the final central scouting NA skaters board for this upcoming draft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebfal70rpeI
Look at all the Holloway type game he has. My argument, and I hope you find it reasonable, is that Holloway wasn't a top 5 pick he was 14th, and there are players you can still get where we pick that add these crucial needed elements. We could get another Holloway type this year.
Wow. I really like Carbonneau, and he is very similar to Holloway. I would love to see him in a Blues jersey. Thanks for sharing.
Given the circumstances this year, if we could land another Holloway, it would be a huge win.
Just keep in mind he’s a potential Holloway. An 18 year old potential Holloway. And Holloway did not become Holloway until his age 22/23 season. We’d need to give whatever player we select at 19 this year plenty of time to develop.
Also, I doubt Carbonneau will still be available at 19. But it’s possible. My guess is he goes more around 15th but this is a hard draft to pin down. Lots of differences of opinion in players this time around.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑12 May 2025 20:20 pm
What is the value of Stan Musial, Albert Pujols, and Brett Hull to St Louis? Are you comfortable with NEVER AGAIN having an exceptional NHL player representing St Louis? I want one for St Louis, and I want to increase my odds of getting one. I care about that MORE than I care about getting to the playoffs and losing in Round 1.
-Initially signed and scouted as a pitcher
-13th round pick
-6th round pick, acquired via trade
Did this just fly over his head or he has no response?
So the 3 players he cites as "models" for the blues to alter their path and go find are:
Musial - signed as a pitcher took 3 years to make it to majors.
AP - a 13th round draft choice. Hockey has no such lowly position.
Hull - 177th pick by Calgary who traded him.
hahahaha....such fine examples for tanking to get talent and championships.
Lol he replied that Armstrong hasn't brought in a Hull yet. Which is of course true, but he happened to bring a Stanley Cup, something that Hull never did. Having lived through the Hull years and 2019, I know which I prefer.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑12 May 2025 20:20 pm
What is the value of Stan Musial, Albert Pujols, and Brett Hull to St Louis? Are you comfortable with NEVER AGAIN having an exceptional NHL player representing St Louis? I want one for St Louis, and I want to increase my odds of getting one. I care about that MORE than I care about getting to the playoffs and losing in Round 1.
-Initially signed and scouted as a pitcher
-13th round pick
-6th round pick, acquired via trade
Did this just fly over his head or he has no response?
So the 3 players he cites as "models" for the blues to alter their path and go find are:
Musial - signed as a pitcher took 3 years to make it to majors.
AP - a 13th round draft choice. Hockey has no such lowly position.
Hull - 177th pick by Calgary who traded him.
hahahaha....such fine examples for tanking to get talent and championships.
Lol he replied that Armstrong hasn't brought in a Hull yet. Which is of course true, but he happened to bring a Stanley Cup, something that Hull never did. Having lived through the Hull years and 2019, I know which I prefer.
Couldn't be smoggier.