Trade Kyrou or Not?

[skilles]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

[a smell of green grass]

Altering my question for the sake of clarity and usefulness...

How effective would Holloway be without Kyrou IN THE PLAYOFFS?

Let's look at facts:
Holloway in playoffs: 26 games played, 5 goals, 7 points
All without Kyrou

Kyrou: 28 games, 11 goals, 13 points
All without Holloway

In virtually same number of games, Kyrou has twice the points and twice the goals. IN THE PLAYOFFS

While your numbers are true, it’s also true that Hollway’s playoff games to date were all when he was bouncing back and forth between the minors and NHL and averaging 11ish minutes/game as a bit player for the Oilers. Kyrou’s numbers are almost all as a top-6 winger getting prime 5 on 5 and PP time.

Much more would’ve been expected out of him this time around if he hadn’t gotten injured, and for good reason.

MN,
What are your thoughts about a line with Holloway and Kyrou in the playoffs? Kyrou's playoff game went south in that he went soft, avoiding the tough areas, etc. What sort of effect on Holloway would occur as a result of Kyrou going soft?

[STL fan in MN]

Altering my question for the sake of clarity and usefulness...

How effective would Holloway be without Kyrou IN THE PLAYOFFS?

Let's look at facts:
Holloway in playoffs: 26 games played, 5 goals, 7 points
All without Kyrou

Kyrou: 28 games, 11 goals, 13 points
All without Holloway

In virtually same number of games, Kyrou has twice the points and twice the goals. IN THE PLAYOFFS

While your numbers are true, it’s also true that Hollway’s playoff games to date were all when he was bouncing back and forth between the minors and NHL and averaging 11ish minutes/game as a bit player for the Oilers. Kyrou’s numbers are almost all as a top-6 winger getting prime 5 on 5 and PP time.

Much more would’ve been expected out of him this time around if he hadn’t gotten injured, and for good reason.

MN,
What are your thoughts about a line with Holloway and Kyrou in the playoffs? Kyrou's playoff game went south in that he went soft, avoiding the tough areas, etc. What sort of effect on Holloway would occur as a result of Kyrou going soft?

75-90% of the answer likely depends on just how injured Kyrou was, which we don’t know. But beyond that, Kyrou obviously missed Holloway as they had great chemistry and Holloway is pretty much the only other Blues forward that can match Kyrou’s speed.

[blues2112]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.

What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.

[a smell of green grass]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.

What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.

Just like it is impossible to explain well enough when you are within 100 yards of baby bear, the Kyrou Mom's are a bear.

The question area is how tight is the Holloway and Kyrou unit.

Kyrou didn't produce much when Holloway was out in these playoffs. That is fact. We don't know why, nor how permanent that situation is, but we know it happened.

The situation that was not seen in the playoffs (nor regular season) was Holloway skating without Kyrou, or with Kryou going Charmin.

Anyone have an opinion of how well Holloway would do in those situations?

[netboy65]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.

What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.

OP’s sole purpose is to just stir it up

[blues2112]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.

What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.

OP’s sole purpose is to just stir it up

You're right. I should know better!
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[a smell of green grass]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.

What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.

OP’s sole purpose is to just stir it up

The question that remains in front of BluesTalk is what happens to Holloway when Kryou goes soft in the playoffs. Given that the Kyrou softener happened very early in the playoffs, the chances that it will happen again are great. It's a very relevant question.

[STL fan in MN]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.

What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.

OP’s sole purpose is to just stir it up

The question that remains in front of BluesTalk is what happens to Holloway when Kryou goes soft in the playoffs. Given that the Kyrou softener happened very early in the playoffs, the chances that it will happen again are great. It's a very relevant question.

Another fair observation is this “softening” seemed to happen precisely at the time he was clobbered by Stanley. What’s unknown is if he was then playing injured or just playing scared/tentative. My guess is he was injured…but then also playing tentative to not get hurt more. Without more info on what his injuries were, if any, I just really can’t have much more of an opinion on the matter.

[seattleblue]

What happens to Holloway's performance if and when he and Kyrou are playing on a line in the playoffs together and his linemate Kyrou is hurt again isn't at all a point on the table for BluesTalk to answer. There is nothing established that says Holloway is a product of Kyrou, that's why nobody would even have to answer for it even if it were to happen.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

kyrou reminds me of tkachuk/demitra

showed up a couple times a series, and then went hidden.

pavel and tkachuk would have 5 points in a game, then you wouldnt hear their name, till a beat down and they get a cheapo goal to pad their bogus series stats

[seattleblue]

Lol Tkachuk never showed up in the playoffs outside of one game against Detroit in 2002. He is the signature playoff failure for me. There was a time when he was a first line forward and team leader on 15% of all teams in NHL history that had a 3-1 series lead and choked it away, which is hard to do if you only play for a fraction of NHL history.

[a smell of green grass]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.

What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.

OP’s sole purpose is to just stir it up

The question that remains in front of BluesTalk is what happens to Holloway when Kryou goes soft in the playoffs. Given that the Kyrou softener happened very early in the playoffs, the chances that it will happen again are great. It's a very relevant question.

Another fair observation is this “softening” seemed to happen precisely at the time he was clobbered by Stanley. What’s unknown is if he was then playing injured or just playing scared/tentative. My guess is he was injured…but then also playing tentative to not get hurt more. Without more info on what his injuries were, if any, I just really can’t have much more of an opinion on the matter.

I understand. What are your thoughts about these 2 questions...

1) Kyrou has a history of being soft. The softness concern didn't first appear with Stanley. So, let's pretend "worst case". Kyrou's tentativeness comes from his nature, not an injured muscle, and Kyrou plays chronically soft in the playoffs when the heat-seeking missiles come out. In the past, when Kyrou has gone soft, what has been the affect on the rest of his line? I'm curious what you saw.

2) My understanding is that the ability to "avoid a hit" is a talent just like shooting the puck, handled by the part of the brain that "sees the ice". It's how guys like Patrick Kane survive even with a target on their back for years. What is your assessment of Kyrou's ability to avoid hits?

[a smell of green grass]

What happens to Holloway's performance if and when he and Kyrou are playing on a line in the playoffs together and his linemate Kyrou is hurt again isn't at all a point on the table for BluesTalk to answer. There is nothing established that says Holloway is a product of Kyrou, that's why nobody would even have to answer for it even if it were to happen.

Queue Jack Nicholson...
Here we have a man that can't handle the truth.

Run along then, SeattleBlue. This is a discussion for the Hockey Man table.

[dhsux]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.

What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.

OP’s sole purpose is to just stir it up

Pretty much exactly right netboy.

These two players will go forward next season together...then apart.....then together.

If play offs come to the Blues they will play together......or apart.....or both.

Both players have the cred to give them the benefit of doubt regarding what this clown is trying to do here on the board which ultimatley once again makes little to no factual sense and pi-1zzzz poor common sense.

[a smell of green grass]

No real merit in comparing Holloways playoff number at age 22 to Kyrous playoffs number when he was 23-26

but if we must At age 22 Kyrou had a total of 1 playoff point in 9 games.

I have no dispute with that, nor is that OP's assertion, which is that Kyrou has not produced without Holloway either in regular season or playoffs. Numbers fail to support that.

What's more, no reasonable person would dispute that they were dynamic when paired, along with Schenn at center.

OP’s sole purpose is to just stir it up

Pretty much exactly right netboy.

These two players will go forward next season together...then apart.....then together.

If play offs come to the Blues they will play together......or apart.....or both.

Both players have the cred to give them the benefit of doubt regarding what this clown is trying to do here on the board which ultimatley once again makes little to no factual sense and pi-1zzzz poor common sense.

I'll go ahead, and say what the chickens are too afraid to cluck...

If you keep Kyrou and he goes south, Holloway will go with him. Hockey is a team sport, after all. That would be a shame, wouldn't it?

Regarding, Kyrou and if he was playing hurt, he said that he wasn't. At this point, it would only be a Mom that would suspect differently.