Trade Kyrou or Not?

[TheJackBurton]

The only reason this is coming up at all is because there is media buzz and stuff being stirred up about him because he has a NTC kicking in July 1.

I don’t know what more people want out of JK.

The guy has made improvements to his game every single year since the Blues were in the cellar. I think this season he was amazing down the stretch. I’m pretty sure the Holloway Schenn Kyrou line was one of the best in the entire league during the 19-3-4 run.

People talk about line pairs….well Holloway and Kyrou is probably this team’s deadliest pair and everyone wants to break it up.

Nuts.

They were. In 499 minutes, the Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou line scored 29 goals and allowed 14. A 67.4% goal share. Conversely, the Neighbours-Thomas-Buchy line, with a little less sample size with only 358 minutes as a trio, scored 22 goals and allowed 11 for a 66.7% goal share. They loading the 1st line with Buchy-Thomas-Kyrou for 166 minutes this season, they scored 7 and allowed 3 for a 70% goal share. In only 25 minutes of ice, Holloway-Thomas-Kyrou were paired and they scored 5 goals and allowed 0.

So yes, Kyrou was quite good this season. In the regular season. In the playoffs, the Buchy-Thomas-Snuggy line scored 5 and allowed zero…only to be outdone by the WTF line - 6 goals scored to 0 against. Neighbours-Schenn-Kyrou scored 2 and allowed 3. Was that because of the absence of Holloway? Kyrou hurt? Idk.

But there’s no denying Kyrou was very good in the regular season. He did look hurt to him in the playoffs but I’d like to know more what his injuries were as yeah, his compete level looked like garbage.

The people who make the decisions, know what his injuries were. I guess that's what will tell us if he competed hard or not. Since 21-22 his totals are 75,73,67,and 70. 70 point wingers don't grow on trees, so if they're going to trade him due to his "Compete", they are going to either pull off something truly special (Huberdeau and Weegar for MT) or they're going to get hosed. Not something that happens to Army very often.

I simply don't see Army trading Kyrou for a lateral or worse move.

If he is traded it's because Army truly believes it's a move to get a better player/s

The NTC kicks in so it doesn't allow for a lot of time, but if it does, and the worst thing we have is a forward who averages 29-35-64 a season with blazing fast speed for 8.125 million I'm good with that.

Now the one thing I would change is he is a goal scorer, and far too often he stops just past the blue line, curls and looks to pass. No take that black round disk and get it on net, enough with avoiding as much contact as possible.

If William Nylander can figure out how to play in the post season, anyone can.

when I've watched TOR in the playoffs, Nylander always plays hard for TOR.. one of the few that actually does

Not his first few post seasons and that was one of the main reasons he was a massive trade candidate. Now he is one of their best.

[billybaseball]

Army just did an interview on KMOX. He went over all the core and split them into 3 levels. Over 30 and under 24 were two levels and the middle level he just mentioned Thomas. No mention of Kyrou or Buchnevich. Interesting omissions at the very least but could have just been a mistake.

[Pierre McGuire]

The only reason this is coming up at all is because there is media buzz and stuff being stirred up about him because he has a NTC kicking in July 1.

I don’t know what more people want out of JK.

The guy has made improvements to his game every single year since the Blues were in the cellar. I think this season he was amazing down the stretch. I’m pretty sure the Holloway Schenn Kyrou line was one of the best in the entire league during the 19-3-4 run.

People talk about line pairs….well Holloway and Kyrou is probably this team’s deadliest pair and everyone wants to break it up.

Nuts.

They were. In 499 minutes, the Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou line scored 29 goals and allowed 14. A 67.4% goal share. Conversely, the Neighbours-Thomas-Buchy line, with a little less sample size with only 358 minutes as a trio, scored 22 goals and allowed 11 for a 66.7% goal share. They loading the 1st line with Buchy-Thomas-Kyrou for 166 minutes this season, they scored 7 and allowed 3 for a 70% goal share. In only 25 minutes of ice, Holloway-Thomas-Kyrou were paired and they scored 5 goals and allowed 0.

So yes, Kyrou was quite good this season. In the regular season. In the playoffs, the Buchy-Thomas-Snuggy line scored 5 and allowed zero…only to be outdone by the WTF line - 6 goals scored to 0 against. Neighbours-Schenn-Kyrou scored 2 and allowed 3. Was that because of the absence of Holloway? Kyrou hurt? Idk.

But there’s no denying Kyrou was very good in the regular season. He did look hurt to him in the playoffs but I’d like to know more what his injuries were as yeah, his compete level looked like garbage.

The people who make the decisions, know what his injuries were. I guess that's what will tell us if he competed hard or not. Since 21-22 his totals are 75,73,67,and 70. 70 point wingers don't grow on trees, so if they're going to trade him due to his "Compete", they are going to either pull off something truly special (Huberdeau and Weegar for MT) or they're going to get hosed. Not something that happens to Army very often.

I simply don't see Army trading Kyrou for a lateral or worse move.

If he is traded it's because Army truly believes it's a move to get a better player/s

The NTC kicks in so it doesn't allow for a lot of time, but if it does, and the worst thing we have is a forward who averages 29-35-64 a season with blazing fast speed for 8.125 million I'm good with that.

Now the one thing I would change is he is a goal scorer, and far too often he stops just past the blue line, curls and looks to pass. No take that black round disk and get it on net, enough with avoiding as much contact as possible.

If William Nylander can figure out how to play in the post season, anyone can.

when I've watched TOR in the playoffs, Nylander always plays hard for TOR.. one of the few that actually does

Not those firs couple of years…he was absolutely going out of his way to not go into the corners against Chara. He was legit scared. He’s turned it around now and he’s a great player on a team with 3 future HOF’ers

[moose-and-squirrel]

The only reason this is coming up at all is because there is media buzz and stuff being stirred up about him because he has a NTC kicking in July 1.

I don’t know what more people want out of JK.

The guy has made improvements to his game every single year since the Blues were in the cellar. I think this season he was amazing down the stretch. I’m pretty sure the Holloway Schenn Kyrou line was one of the best in the entire league during the 19-3-4 run.

People talk about line pairs….well Holloway and Kyrou is probably this team’s deadliest pair and everyone wants to break it up.

Nuts.

They were. In 499 minutes, the Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou line scored 29 goals and allowed 14. A 67.4% goal share. Conversely, the Neighbours-Thomas-Buchy line, with a little less sample size with only 358 minutes as a trio, scored 22 goals and allowed 11 for a 66.7% goal share. They loading the 1st line with Buchy-Thomas-Kyrou for 166 minutes this season, they scored 7 and allowed 3 for a 70% goal share. In only 25 minutes of ice, Holloway-Thomas-Kyrou were paired and they scored 5 goals and allowed 0.

So yes, Kyrou was quite good this season. In the regular season. In the playoffs, the Buchy-Thomas-Snuggy line scored 5 and allowed zero…only to be outdone by the WTF line - 6 goals scored to 0 against. Neighbours-Schenn-Kyrou scored 2 and allowed 3. Was that because of the absence of Holloway? Kyrou hurt? Idk.

But there’s no denying Kyrou was very good in the regular season. He did look hurt to him in the playoffs but I’d like to know more what his injuries were as yeah, his compete level looked like garbage.

The people who make the decisions, know what his injuries were. I guess that's what will tell us if he competed hard or not. Since 21-22 his totals are 75,73,67,and 70. 70 point wingers don't grow on trees, so if they're going to trade him due to his "Compete", they are going to either pull off something truly special (Huberdeau and Weegar for MT) or they're going to get hosed. Not something that happens to Army very often.

I simply don't see Army trading Kyrou for a lateral or worse move.

If he is traded it's because Army truly believes it's a move to get a better player/s

The NTC kicks in so it doesn't allow for a lot of time, but if it does, and the worst thing we have is a forward who averages 29-35-64 a season with blazing fast speed for 8.125 million I'm good with that.

Now the one thing I would change is he is a goal scorer, and far too often he stops just past the blue line, curls and looks to pass. No take that black round disk and get it on net, enough with avoiding as much contact as possible.

If William Nylander can figure out how to play in the post season, anyone can.

when I've watched TOR in the playoffs, Nylander always plays hard for TOR.. one of the few that actually does

Not those firs couple of years…he was absolutely going out of his way to not go into the corners against Chara. He was legit scared. He’s turned it around now and he’s a great player on a team with 3 future HOF’ers

a youngster going into the corner against prime Chara? what's to be scared of? lol

[TheJackBurton]

The only reason this is coming up at all is because there is media buzz and stuff being stirred up about him because he has a NTC kicking in July 1.

I don’t know what more people want out of JK.

The guy has made improvements to his game every single year since the Blues were in the cellar. I think this season he was amazing down the stretch. I’m pretty sure the Holloway Schenn Kyrou line was one of the best in the entire league during the 19-3-4 run.

People talk about line pairs….well Holloway and Kyrou is probably this team’s deadliest pair and everyone wants to break it up.

Nuts.

They were. In 499 minutes, the Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou line scored 29 goals and allowed 14. A 67.4% goal share. Conversely, the Neighbours-Thomas-Buchy line, with a little less sample size with only 358 minutes as a trio, scored 22 goals and allowed 11 for a 66.7% goal share. They loading the 1st line with Buchy-Thomas-Kyrou for 166 minutes this season, they scored 7 and allowed 3 for a 70% goal share. In only 25 minutes of ice, Holloway-Thomas-Kyrou were paired and they scored 5 goals and allowed 0.

So yes, Kyrou was quite good this season. In the regular season. In the playoffs, the Buchy-Thomas-Snuggy line scored 5 and allowed zero…only to be outdone by the WTF line - 6 goals scored to 0 against. Neighbours-Schenn-Kyrou scored 2 and allowed 3. Was that because of the absence of Holloway? Kyrou hurt? Idk.

But there’s no denying Kyrou was very good in the regular season. He did look hurt to him in the playoffs but I’d like to know more what his injuries were as yeah, his compete level looked like garbage.

The people who make the decisions, know what his injuries were. I guess that's what will tell us if he competed hard or not. Since 21-22 his totals are 75,73,67,and 70. 70 point wingers don't grow on trees, so if they're going to trade him due to his "Compete", they are going to either pull off something truly special (Huberdeau and Weegar for MT) or they're going to get hosed. Not something that happens to Army very often.

I simply don't see Army trading Kyrou for a lateral or worse move.

If he is traded it's because Army truly believes it's a move to get a better player/s

The NTC kicks in so it doesn't allow for a lot of time, but if it does, and the worst thing we have is a forward who averages 29-35-64 a season with blazing fast speed for 8.125 million I'm good with that.

Now the one thing I would change is he is a goal scorer, and far too often he stops just past the blue line, curls and looks to pass. No take that black round disk and get it on net, enough with avoiding as much contact as possible.

If William Nylander can figure out how to play in the post season, anyone can.

when I've watched TOR in the playoffs, Nylander always plays hard for TOR.. one of the few that actually does

Not those firs couple of years…he was absolutely going out of his way to not go into the corners against Chara. He was legit scared. He’s turned it around now and he’s a great player on a team with 3 future HOF’ers

a youngster going into the corner against prime Chara? what's to be scared of? lol

Chara or not, the fact is he avoided contact as much as possible and essentially became negated in the playoffs because of it.

He figured out had to get bigger and stronger, but not negate his speed and shot. Now he's one of their more dangerous players in the playoffs.

One hit and Kyrou was essentially taken out of the series, and that can't happen. He has to fight through it and still find ways to compete and contribute. That takes desire and will and he has to develop them. Biggest problem is he doesn't have another 10 years to figure it out.

[moose-and-squirrel]

The only reason this is coming up at all is because there is media buzz and stuff being stirred up about him because he has a NTC kicking in July 1.

I don’t know what more people want out of JK.

The guy has made improvements to his game every single year since the Blues were in the cellar. I think this season he was amazing down the stretch. I’m pretty sure the Holloway Schenn Kyrou line was one of the best in the entire league during the 19-3-4 run.

People talk about line pairs….well Holloway and Kyrou is probably this team’s deadliest pair and everyone wants to break it up.

Nuts.

They were. In 499 minutes, the Holloway-Schenn-Kyrou line scored 29 goals and allowed 14. A 67.4% goal share. Conversely, the Neighbours-Thomas-Buchy line, with a little less sample size with only 358 minutes as a trio, scored 22 goals and allowed 11 for a 66.7% goal share. They loading the 1st line with Buchy-Thomas-Kyrou for 166 minutes this season, they scored 7 and allowed 3 for a 70% goal share. In only 25 minutes of ice, Holloway-Thomas-Kyrou were paired and they scored 5 goals and allowed 0.

So yes, Kyrou was quite good this season. In the regular season. In the playoffs, the Buchy-Thomas-Snuggy line scored 5 and allowed zero…only to be outdone by the WTF line - 6 goals scored to 0 against. Neighbours-Schenn-Kyrou scored 2 and allowed 3. Was that because of the absence of Holloway? Kyrou hurt? Idk.

But there’s no denying Kyrou was very good in the regular season. He did look hurt to him in the playoffs but I’d like to know more what his injuries were as yeah, his compete level looked like garbage.

The people who make the decisions, know what his injuries were. I guess that's what will tell us if he competed hard or not. Since 21-22 his totals are 75,73,67,and 70. 70 point wingers don't grow on trees, so if they're going to trade him due to his "Compete", they are going to either pull off something truly special (Huberdeau and Weegar for MT) or they're going to get hosed. Not something that happens to Army very often.

I simply don't see Army trading Kyrou for a lateral or worse move.

If he is traded it's because Army truly believes it's a move to get a better player/s

The NTC kicks in so it doesn't allow for a lot of time, but if it does, and the worst thing we have is a forward who averages 29-35-64 a season with blazing fast speed for 8.125 million I'm good with that.

Now the one thing I would change is he is a goal scorer, and far too often he stops just past the blue line, curls and looks to pass. No take that black round disk and get it on net, enough with avoiding as much contact as possible.

If William Nylander can figure out how to play in the post season, anyone can.

when I've watched TOR in the playoffs, Nylander always plays hard for TOR.. one of the few that actually does

Not those firs couple of years…he was absolutely going out of his way to not go into the corners against Chara. He was legit scared. He’s turned it around now and he’s a great player on a team with 3 future HOF’ers

a youngster going into the corner against prime Chara? what's to be scared of? lol

Chara or not, the fact is he avoided contact as much as possible and essentially became negated in the playoffs because of it.

He figured out had to get bigger and stronger, but not negate his speed and shot. Now he's one of their more dangerous players in the playoffs.

One hit and Kyrou was essentially taken out of the series, and that can't happen. He has to fight through it and still find ways to compete and contribute. That takes desire and will and he has to develop them. Biggest problem is he doesn't have another 10 years to figure it out.

oh, I totally agree. he was definitely an ice dancer those first few years. hopefully Kyrou figures it out. sadly, I think what ya see is what ya get

[Bluesfan1978]

Nylander has been one of the Leafs best playoff performers every year since 19-20. He had 47 points in 43 games in that time. In 2021 he was being recognized for taking the puck to the dirty areas and getting the large majority of his shots from there. I’m sure it also helped him being in the playoffs every year and realizing he still needs to keep improving. Maybe that happens for Kyrou now. Nylander is far from a physical player but he doesn’t make or rush plays based on the game being physical. He has no issues battling through hits. He also is a bit heavier than Kyrou which I’m sure helps

[SameOldBlues]

1. he is not of much use to me, or to the Blues. ...

2. It appears the only way JK can begin to reach his full potential is with Holloway. ...

3. We have a glaring example of wasted potential on our books and in our locker rooms and on the ice and on the bench for four more years.

Harry, you're a good poster, but wow.

1. Except for those pesky 131 goals the past four seasons

2. Kyou's best point season, best goal season and best assist season were without Holloway. Kyrou has produced without Holloway. Holloway scored 17 goals in 82 career games with Oilers, 26 in 77 games with Blues, getting hot when playing with Kyrou the last couple months of the season.It's obvious you can't stand Kyrou and only see his deficiencies, but that combination — along with Schenn's leadership — was phenomenal.

3. Go back to No. 1.

Thanks, I feel the same about you, 2112.


No 1 is always about the post season. I don't care if he wins the Art Ross every year if we never challenge for a second Cup.


Kyrou's best seasons were-
before his ASG Life-Changing Experience for selfish play
and
With Holloway.
His plus minus in those seasons in-between was abysmal. Those were the years when he was painfully obvious in his disdain for forechecking, or even in getting the puck in deep. For the tenth time, I never understood how Buchneveich kept from strangling him on the bench, but Buch probably reckoned that if JK outranked Berube, he had better keep digging all the pucks out for him.

I actually wonder what Holloway's candid thoughts about Kyrou might be.


People forget that I actually can have an open mind. I HATED Kyrou after the Berube incident, and his play justified every bit of it. Then, after Bannister- a kinder and gentler coach paired him with Buch- a talented workaholic who never caused trouble... Kyrou began to make strides at being a not-abysmal 200-foot player. I saw it in fits and in small increments, but I began to actually have tiny hopes for him. By the time he got paired with Holloway- thanks to Kyrou Sr (Brandon Saad) getting his LAZY and non-competitive (donkey) cut... he really started coming along. I was elated for him and for the Blues. I was one of the first to say that Holloway, being almost exactly the same size, was a great inspiration for him to "leave the perimeter" and get his hands at least a little dirty. I think Kyrou was in real danger of being "shown up" for how he plays for the first time in, maybe, ever.
If you have a good memory, I frequently argued FOR Kyrou during most of last season.

Then Holloway got hurt and Kyrou regressed. Ohhhh, how he regressed.
Its like getting fooled by the same con man twice.
Will the real Jordan Kyrou please stand up? And, goddangit- STAY on your hind legs and play like a man?

A civil and respectful disagreement on Blues Talk!

Frame it!

You got it started, my Blues Brother.
I get hot and that has always been an issue for me. It made me a better Football and Ice Hockey player, but it has no place outside the gridiron or the ice. About three weeks ago I was on a tear and Same Old Blues called me out for it. I was self-aware enough to know I was over the line but too stubborn to back off of where I was. I read his post, and made a choice and answered him with "Point taken" and I have been trying to stay calm since then.
It hasn't always worked- Its tough when posters who have very very obviously never laced them up and played for a team, and counted on their linemates and the the whole team to do the right thing... post nonsense.
MN is a great example to follow. He has forgotten more that 95% of the posters here will ever know about Ice Hockey, but he keeps it fair and legal.
Let's Go Blues!!!

I just saw this and wanted to reiterate the same thing I told ya in private…your reply showed alot more maturity than my post to you did, and for that, I still apologize. It was good getting to know ya a little bit in private cause it completely changed my perception of you, for the better.

Most of us lose our cool on here sometimes , cause we’re passionate about the team we love. I just cant tolerate anonymous people online stirrin up sheeeet unprovoked, and/or people who cant have civil conversations on here cause they think it’s safe to be an [ash]. This place would be alot more enjoyable if some would put in a solid effort to treat others the way they want treated.


Anyhoo, that’s all ive got

[Harry York 37]

1. he is not of much use to me, or to the Blues. ...

2. It appears the only way JK can begin to reach his full potential is with Holloway. ...

3. We have a glaring example of wasted potential on our books and in our locker rooms and on the ice and on the bench for four more years.

Harry, you're a good poster, but wow.

1. Except for those pesky 131 goals the past four seasons

2. Kyou's best point season, best goal season and best assist season were without Holloway. Kyrou has produced without Holloway. Holloway scored 17 goals in 82 career games with Oilers, 26 in 77 games with Blues, getting hot when playing with Kyrou the last couple months of the season.It's obvious you can't stand Kyrou and only see his deficiencies, but that combination — along with Schenn's leadership — was phenomenal.

3. Go back to No. 1.

Thanks, I feel the same about you, 2112.


No 1 is always about the post season. I don't care if he wins the Art Ross every year if we never challenge for a second Cup.


Kyrou's best seasons were-
before his ASG Life-Changing Experience for selfish play
and
With Holloway.
His plus minus in those seasons in-between was abysmal. Those were the years when he was painfully obvious in his disdain for forechecking, or even in getting the puck in deep. For the tenth time, I never understood how Buchneveich kept from strangling him on the bench, but Buch probably reckoned that if JK outranked Berube, he had better keep digging all the pucks out for him.

I actually wonder what Holloway's candid thoughts about Kyrou might be.


People forget that I actually can have an open mind. I HATED Kyrou after the Berube incident, and his play justified every bit of it. Then, after Bannister- a kinder and gentler coach paired him with Buch- a talented workaholic who never caused trouble... Kyrou began to make strides at being a not-abysmal 200-foot player. I saw it in fits and in small increments, but I began to actually have tiny hopes for him. By the time he got paired with Holloway- thanks to Kyrou Sr (Brandon Saad) getting his LAZY and non-competitive (donkey) cut... he really started coming along. I was elated for him and for the Blues. I was one of the first to say that Holloway, being almost exactly the same size, was a great inspiration for him to "leave the perimeter" and get his hands at least a little dirty. I think Kyrou was in real danger of being "shown up" for how he plays for the first time in, maybe, ever.
If you have a good memory, I frequently argued FOR Kyrou during most of last season.

Then Holloway got hurt and Kyrou regressed. Ohhhh, how he regressed.
Its like getting fooled by the same con man twice.
Will the real Jordan Kyrou please stand up? And, goddangit- STAY on your hind legs and play like a man?

A civil and respectful disagreement on Blues Talk!

Frame it!

You got it started, my Blues Brother.
I get hot and that has always been an issue for me. It made me a better Football and Ice Hockey player, but it has no place outside the gridiron or the ice. About three weeks ago I was on a tear and Same Old Blues called me out for it. I was self-aware enough to know I was over the line but too stubborn to back off of where I was. I read his post, and made a choice and answered him with "Point taken" and I have been trying to stay calm since then.
It hasn't always worked- Its tough when posters who have very very obviously never laced them up and played for a team, and counted on their linemates and the the whole team to do the right thing... post nonsense.
MN is a great example to follow. He has forgotten more that 95% of the posters here will ever know about Ice Hockey, but he keeps it fair and legal.
Let's Go Blues!!!

I just saw this and wanted to reiterate the same thing I told ya in private…your reply showed alot more maturity than my post to you did, and for that, I still apologize. It was good getting to know ya a little bit in private cause it completely changed my perception of you, for the better.

Most of us lose our cool on here sometimes , cause we’re passionate about the team we love. I just cant tolerate anonymous people online stirrin up sheeeet unprovoked, and/or people who cant have civil conversations on here cause they think it’s safe to be an [ash]. This place would be alot more enjoyable if some would put in a solid effort to treat others the way they want treated.


Anyhoo, that’s all ive got

You are aces with me, SOB
Ya gave me hard medicine, but that’s what was needed.

[skeezix]

In my opinion, what it takes to play in the postseason is dramatically different from the regular season. First off, the competition is much tougher. Second, every shift matters much more. Third, the physical play is more advanced. Fourth, generally, goals are tougher to score because checking is tighter.
If a player wants to be successful in postseason, it requires commitment and perseverance. The successful players just want it more. Or, as the SEC motto says plainly "It Just Means More".

[a smell of green grass]

We saw how effective Kyrou is without Holloway. Very limited, and mostly invisible. Two Kyrous would be no better, likely worse.

I'm curious how people would answer this question.

How effective would Holloway be without Kyrou?

My answer:
Holloway creates his own chances. Holloway would benefit from working with another Holloway. For the sake of Holloway, we need an upgrade over Kyrou.

[blues2112]

We saw how effective Kyrou is without Holloway. Very limited, and mostly invisible. Two Kyrous would be no better, likely worse.

I'm curious how people would answer this question.

How effective would Holloway be without Kyrou?

My answer:
Holloway creates his own chances. Holloway would benefit from working with another Holloway. For the sake of Holloway, we need an upgrade over Kyrou.

Kyou's best point season, best goal season and best assist season were without Holloway. Kyrou has produced without Holloway. Holloway scored 17 goals in 82 career games with Oilers, 26 in 77 games with Blues, getting hot when playing with Kyrou the last couple months of the season.That combination — along with Schenn's leadership — was phenomenal.

I'll hang up and read your rant later.

[a smell of green grass]

We saw how effective Kyrou is without Holloway. Very limited, and mostly invisible. Two Kyrous would be no better, likely worse.

I'm curious how people would answer this question.

How effective would Holloway be without Kyrou?

My answer:
Holloway creates his own chances. Holloway would benefit from working with another Holloway. For the sake of Holloway, we need an upgrade over Kyrou.

Kyou's best point season, best goal season and best assist season were without Holloway. Kyrou has produced without Holloway. Holloway scored 17 goals in 82 career games with Oilers, 26 in 77 games with Blues, getting hot when playing with Kyrou the last couple months of the season.That combination — along with Schenn's leadership — was phenomenal.

I'll hang up and read your rant later.

Despite your ranting, I can still hear quite clearly that you are equating "Regular Season Kyrou" with "Playoff Kyrou". Those are 2 different people.

[a smell of green grass]

Altering my question for the sake of clarity and usefulness...

How effective would Holloway be without Kyrou IN THE PLAYOFFS?

[blues2112]

Altering my question for the sake of clarity and usefulness...

How effective would Holloway be without Kyrou IN THE PLAYOFFS?

Let's look at facts:
Holloway in playoffs: 26 games played, 5 goals, 7 points
All without Kyrou

Kyrou: 28 games, 11 goals, 13 points
All without Holloway

In virtually same number of games, Kyrou has twice the points and twice the goals. IN THE PLAYOFFS

[STL fan in MN]

Altering my question for the sake of clarity and usefulness...

How effective would Holloway be without Kyrou IN THE PLAYOFFS?

Let's look at facts:
Holloway in playoffs: 26 games played, 5 goals, 7 points
All without Kyrou

Kyrou: 28 games, 11 goals, 13 points
All without Holloway

In virtually same number of games, Kyrou has twice the points and twice the goals. IN THE PLAYOFFS

While your numbers are true, it’s also true that Hollway’s playoff games to date were all when he was bouncing back and forth between the minors and NHL and averaging 11ish minutes/game as a bit player for the Oilers. Kyrou’s numbers are almost all as a top-6 winger getting prime 5 on 5 and PP time.

Much more would’ve been expected out of him this time around if he hadn’t gotten injured, and for good reason.