a smell of green grass wrote: ↑09 May 2025 11:03 am
If the fans often see Kryou shying away from contact and the ugly business, I'm sure that his teammates would notice it even more.
I'm curious what everyone thinks about this. What I have seen in life is that if you have one person not wanting to pick up the shovel, pretty soon nobody on the team wants to pick up the shovel.
If Kryou would have that sort of negative affect on the team, it seems that it would be best to swap him out.
Thoughts?
Interesting analogy. If you're on a construction site and all you have are a bunch of dudes with shovels, all you get is a big hole. It takes different people with different skill sets to build something.
Reverse the scenario - do you think Kyrou goes to Monty and complains that Faksa didn't score 30 goals this season? Think he says to himself "if Torpo can't score a hattrick, why should I bother?"
Bob39 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 11:17 am
The problem with Kyrou has always been that people think they can clearly tell what parts of hockey (any sport) come down to effort and what parts are natural ability. They assume that Kyrou's speed and skill are just natural ability while Walker's physical play is effort. It is just not that simple. Kyrou's speed and skill are a combination of genetics and time and effort put in to refine those skills. The exact same thing is true of Walker's physical game. Yet no one every says "why doesn't Walker try harder and score 30 goals."
You have no idea if Kyrou is lazy. He might be the hardest worker in the team. It takes an incredible amount of effort to develop the ability to become one of the fastest skaters in the league. It also takes a lot of natural ability. Just like it takes a lot of genetic fortune to have the build to throw the body around all day. That also takes a lot of work. It is never just one thing.
That’s fine but a player needs to work on his weaknesses too. You can’t just always work on your strengths. Do that and you might end up with a fatal flaw in your game…sort of like how Kyrou is an absolute powerhouse of a race car but is completely neutralized when the game gets physical and the opposition targets him along the boards.
And if/when Walker starts getting paid $8.125M/year, I’ll start asking for 30 goals out of him.
Kyrou actually scored at a 35 goal pace in the series.
MikoTython wrote: ↑09 May 2025 07:46 am
Folks be lovin' Holloway (63 pts, +21) but be hatin' Kyrou (70 pts, +23).
I be lovin' both.
He didn't shine in the play-offs. I think that accounts for the gas. His measly 3 goals in 7 games makes him trade bait. Never mind he lost his line partner, the one that with him, powered the historic spring push to GET from the weeds back IN to the play-offs. He's jag now.
Because Holloway tries hard and makes $2.3M while nearly matching the production of Kyrou, who’s soft, lacks compete and makes $8.125M.
So no, Kyrou isn’t a “jag”. He’s our leading goal scorer. It’d really only make sense to trade him for a very particular player. I highly doubt that player will be available. But given Kyrou’s deficiencies, deficiencies which line up horribly for playoff hockey, I think it makes sense to at least explore the options available.
He did quite well as I recall in 21-22 playoffs, so while the Jets outmuscled him, do you thing the same would have happened in the next series? Or what if we played Edm and all their speed? You think a guy like Kyrou might be useful there?
I bet Kyrou would likely be more effective against a team like Edmonton. But we’d have to make the Conference Finals (or be the wildcard placed in the Pacific bracket) to ever play Edmonton. Ideally, we have players that are effective against any other type of team though as we need to be able to beat those teams to ever play Edmonton. It takes versatile, hard nosed players to be able to win 4 rounds in the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Sure, but if you recall in ‘19 we had different folks doing it in different series. He scored a goal and led the team in shots in Game 7, that 1.6 seconds had nothing to do with him. WTF was the star in Jets series, maybe Kyrou or Thomas or whoever would have been against Stars. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water
That’s a fair point. Thus why I’d only want to trade Kyrou for a pretty narrow type of player. I have absolutely no desire to just get rid of the team’s leading scorer at any cost.
They were talking about that on 101 yesterday. The consensus was that they should only move him for an elite player coming back
Thats a good point. We cant have all Faksa's. I know personally Id love to have a team filled with Holloways, Schenns and Neighbours.
Kyrou led the team in plus minus--which is actually a huge deal. Hes oozing with talent. I like him. He has a place here. Hes important and needed.
In a perfect world we'd move him for a gifted offensive player with more sandpaper. Is that realistic--i really doubt it. In all honesty--i think hes a Blue for his whole contract. They will fill in around him with versatile tough players. (like we have done)
Harry York 37 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 20:22 pmKyrou went from a plus ten to a minus thirty-eight the year after the ASG. That... has gotta be goddanged historic for a one year drop.
A 48 point swing.
His line pair changed significantly in the time frame. This year with Holloway he was lights out. Blues would be stupid to trade a young perennial 30 goal scorer who has a great line when Holloway comes back. I am glad people on this forum are not the GM for the Blues.
BOLD: You fail to mention that the Blues went from a 109-point team to an 81-point team.
ITALIC: Over the same two seasons, ROR went from +11 to -21 in 53 games with Blues. Projected over 82 games, that's -32, making his swing -43. Same logic apply to him? Faulk went from +41 to to -4, a swing of -45. Krug from +23 to -26, a swing of 49. The whole team tanked.
If ROR missed a third of a season from repeated injuries, you can bet your mortgage he was playing hurt for a few dozen more. That man comes to play 200 foot ice hockey every single day. To mention he and JK in the same sentence is ...apples and oranges.
Bottom lines-
Kyrou is a phenomenal offensive threat—few teams have a weapon like him. He is capable of scoring 2-3 goals on any given shift.
also,
He is VERY often, a cringe-worthy Pansy at the opponent's Blue Line. He is where momentum and GUTS go to commit public suicide,
I don't give a chit if he never throws a hard body check, I want him to compete for pucks ... like a 196 pound six foot one 27 year old professional ice hockey player. He took a giant hit in Game two. So WHAT? It was legal and he did not go in for any protocols- he just left his balls on the ice, like he has done so very very very many times before,
He plays Embarrassing Ice Hockey at the most crucial times. I am happy a professional NHL announcer had the temerity to acknowledge it because too many people pull their blinkers on tight and live in willful ignorance.
I cannot believe DA is happy to be paying $8,125,000.00 dollars a year to see his team and the fans treated to such ...pitiful displays whenever JK is spooked, or pouting.
That's all.
New GM Alexander Steen played through herniated discs in his back and multiple concussions. He left his ego at the door when Chief asked him to drop to the fourth line and be a shut down Center. That is what champions do. Moving forward, this team will be built to the vision Steen and Monty have for it. I just can't envision a world where a roller hockey diva will be a part of an Alexander Steen team. Come spring, this a man's game - battle and compete - and I've yet to see anything in Kyrou's history that tells me he can play that game. Every team in the league knows it. Just one good lick and he's done.
Not at all to diss Steener, his type of player is a must to win in the postseason, tough guy great grinder but, Steen 91 15 21 36 -8 ....15 goals in 91 career playoff games.... as i said Kyrou has 10g in his 19 playoff games. You can like it or not but a Kyrou type of player is a must A) if you want to first make the playoffs B) then to score in the playoffs.
Yes its also true that this playoff series Kyrou wasnt aggressive enough although 3 goals scored tied for 1st on the Blues. Last summer Kyrou added around 10lbs of muscle he will need to continue that this summer and he will
That fourth line- with Steen parking his ego for the sake of the team, made the WTF line look "above average" by comparison.
THAT is what wins playoff hockey games, not "Roller Hockey Divas" (well-played Bud White).
I don't care how many PP goals he scores. He is NOT been a playmaker in any playoff series due to his weak mind, lack of compete, and sense of entitlement.
Get a decent return and let some other team watch him coast in their playoff game sevens.
made the WTF line look "above average" by comparison.
Not really true either unfortunately:
'18-'19 Steen/Sunny/Barbie = 9gs in 26 playoff games
'24-'25 WTF line = 6gs in 7 playoff games....
It is most certainly true, you just can't read your own response.
The 2019 Fourth line played 26 playoff games over two months.
Steen played in all of them.Barbs and Sunny each missed one game.
The WTF line won a great seven game battle.
The Barbs, Sunny, Steener line won the whole goddanged War.
You have no idea what the WTF lines contribution would be over 4 rounds it doesnt look like it would have been just 9gs. Regardless your assertion they were "above average" is off the mark by any standard. They scored big goals and pulverized the Jets so.....
MikoTython wrote: ↑09 May 2025 07:46 am
Folks be lovin' Holloway (63 pts, +21) but be hatin' Kyrou (70 pts, +23).
I be lovin' both.
He didn't shine in the play-offs. I think that accounts for the gas. His measly 3 goals in 7 games makes him trade bait. Never mind he lost his line partner, the one that with him, powered the historic spring push to GET from the weeds back IN to the play-offs. He's jag now.
Because Holloway tries hard and makes $2.3M while nearly matching the production of Kyrou, who’s soft, lacks compete and makes $8.125M.
So no, Kyrou isn’t a “jag”. He’s our leading goal scorer. It’d really only make sense to trade him for a very particular player. I highly doubt that player will be available. But given Kyrou’s deficiencies, deficiencies which line up horribly for playoff hockey, I think it makes sense to at least explore the options available.
He did quite well as I recall in 21-22 playoffs, so while the Jets outmuscled him, do you thing the same would have happened in the next series? Or what if we played Edm and all their speed? You think a guy like Kyrou might be useful there?
I bet Kyrou would likely be more effective against a team like Edmonton. But we’d have to make the Conference Finals (or be the wildcard placed in the Pacific bracket) to ever play Edmonton. Ideally, we have players that are effective against any other type of team though as we need to be able to beat those teams to ever play Edmonton. It takes versatile, hard nosed players to be able to win 4 rounds in the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Sure, but if you recall in ‘19 we had different folks doing it in different series. He scored a goal and led the team in shots in Game 7, that 1.6 seconds had nothing to do with him. WTF was the star in Jets series, maybe Kyrou or Thomas or whoever would have been against Stars. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water
That’s a fair point. Thus why I’d only want to trade Kyrou for a pretty narrow type of player. I have absolutely no desire to just get rid of the team’s leading scorer at any cost.
They were talking about that on 101 yesterday. The consensus was that they should only move him for an elite player coming back
Thats where I'm at, Really probably only a RD which is going to be a very hard piece to get and almost impossible if we spent our top expendables on something else.
Multiple 30+ goals seasons...and one with 27 goals.
Has only missed 11 games total during the past 4 regular seasons.
Takes many hits yet stays in lineup -- would take more if opponents could catch him.
Has blazing speed -- not his fault the only linemate whom could keep up with him is Dylan Holloway.
Has an excellent shot.
Worked on the defensive side of his game to lead his team in +/- during past season (+23) -- note his team had many lengthy time 6 on 5 pulled goalie situations which count for +/-.
Cost controlled at $8MM/ season for many more.
Still relatively young.
Figure it out. An ad nauseam topic...you can do better.
MikoTython wrote: ↑09 May 2025 07:46 am
Folks be lovin' Holloway (63 pts, +21) but be hatin' Kyrou (70 pts, +23).
I be lovin' both.
He didn't shine in the play-offs. I think that accounts for the gas. His measly 3 goals in 7 games makes him trade bait. Never mind he lost his line partner, the one that with him, powered the historic spring push to GET from the weeds back IN to the play-offs. He's jag now.
Because Holloway tries hard and makes $2.3M while nearly matching the production of Kyrou, who’s soft, lacks compete and makes $8.125M.
So no, Kyrou isn’t a “jag”. He’s our leading goal scorer. It’d really only make sense to trade him for a very particular player. I highly doubt that player will be available. But given Kyrou’s deficiencies, deficiencies which line up horribly for playoff hockey, I think it makes sense to at least explore the options available.
He did quite well as I recall in 21-22 playoffs, so while the Jets outmuscled him, do you thing the same would have happened in the next series? Or what if we played Edm and all their speed? You think a guy like Kyrou might be useful there?
I bet Kyrou would likely be more effective against a team like Edmonton. But we’d have to make the Conference Finals (or be the wildcard placed in the Pacific bracket) to ever play Edmonton. Ideally, we have players that are effective against any other type of team though as we need to be able to beat those teams to ever play Edmonton. It takes versatile, hard nosed players to be able to win 4 rounds in the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Sure, but if you recall in ‘19 we had different folks doing it in different series. He scored a goal and led the team in shots in Game 7, that 1.6 seconds had nothing to do with him. WTF was the star in Jets series, maybe Kyrou or Thomas or whoever would have been against Stars. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water
That’s a fair point. Thus why I’d only want to trade Kyrou for a pretty narrow type of player. I have absolutely no desire to just get rid of the team’s leading scorer at any cost.
They were talking about that on 101 yesterday. The consensus was that they should only move him for an elite player coming back
Thats where I'm at, Really probably only a RD which is going to be a very hard piece to get and almost impossible if we spent our top expendables on something else.
I’m not trading him for D unless it’s Makar. I need an elite winger/center coming back. Since those typically aren’t moved, we keep him
skilles wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:00 pm
lol imagine sitting on the couch being embarrassed by a professional athlete.
lol the culture we live in.
You have never been embarrassed by the play of one of the Blues?
What cloud are you watching from?
Not to put words in Skilles mouth but there’s a big difference between angry and embarrassed. Sure, you get mad at something a guy does, but I’m with him, not one time have I ever felt “embarrassed”
MikoTython wrote: ↑09 May 2025 07:46 am
Folks be lovin' Holloway (63 pts, +21) but be hatin' Kyrou (70 pts, +23).
I be lovin' both.
He didn't shine in the play-offs. I think that accounts for the gas. His measly 3 goals in 7 games makes him trade bait. Never mind he lost his line partner, the one that with him, powered the historic spring push to GET from the weeds back IN to the play-offs. He's jag now.
Because Holloway tries hard and makes $2.3M while nearly matching the production of Kyrou, who’s soft, lacks compete and makes $8.125M.
So no, Kyrou isn’t a “jag”. He’s our leading goal scorer. It’d really only make sense to trade him for a very particular player. I highly doubt that player will be available. But given Kyrou’s deficiencies, deficiencies which line up horribly for playoff hockey, I think it makes sense to at least explore the options available.
He did quite well as I recall in 21-22 playoffs, so while the Jets outmuscled him, do you thing the same would have happened in the next series? Or what if we played Edm and all their speed? You think a guy like Kyrou might be useful there?
I bet Kyrou would likely be more effective against a team like Edmonton. But we’d have to make the Conference Finals (or be the wildcard placed in the Pacific bracket) to ever play Edmonton. Ideally, we have players that are effective against any other type of team though as we need to be able to beat those teams to ever play Edmonton. It takes versatile, hard nosed players to be able to win 4 rounds in the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Sure, but if you recall in ‘19 we had different folks doing it in different series. He scored a goal and led the team in shots in Game 7, that 1.6 seconds had nothing to do with him. WTF was the star in Jets series, maybe Kyrou or Thomas or whoever would have been against Stars. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water
That’s a fair point. Thus why I’d only want to trade Kyrou for a pretty narrow type of player. I have absolutely no desire to just get rid of the team’s leading scorer at any cost.
They were talking about that on 101 yesterday. The consensus was that they should only move him for an elite player coming back
Thats where I'm at, Really probably only a RD which is going to be a very hard piece to get and almost impossible if we spent our top expendables on something else.
I’m not trading him for D unless it’s Makar. I need an elite winger/center coming back. Since those typically aren’t moved, we keep him
I mean I'd move him for a top line center to but I just think that seems very unlikely, obviously there are also wingers or really players at all positions I'd trade Kyrou for but I'm talking realistic scenarios
skilles wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:00 pm
lol imagine sitting on the couch being embarrassed by a professional athlete.
lol the culture we live in.
You have never been embarrassed by the play of one of the Blues?
What cloud are you watching from?
Not to put words in Skilles mouth but there’s a big difference between angry and embarrassed. Sure, you get mad at something a guy does, but I’m with him, not one time have I ever felt “embarrassed”
Old_Goat wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:16 pm
Multiple 30+ goals seasons...and one with 27 goals.
Has only missed 11 games total during the past 4 regular seasons.
Takes many hits yet stays in lineup -- would take more if opponents could catch him.
Has blazing speed -- not his fault the only linemate whom could keep up with him is Dylan Holloway.
Has an excellent shot.
Worked on the defensive side of his game to lead his team in +/- during past season (+23) -- note his team had many lengthy time 6 on 5 pulled goalie situations which count for +/-.
Cost controlled at $8MM/ season for many more.
Still relatively young.
Figure it out. An ad nauseam topic...you can do better.
He doesn't miss many games because he doesn't play with fire and compete. You don't get injured if you are the type of player that never leave your feet to make a play .
You need guts and fire to win playoff games.
Kyrou was a wet blanket this series. They put him up on the first line to try and wake his weak self up... and he took the first line down with him.
He was obvious in his non-involvement.
He improved dramatically when paired with Holloway, I was one of the first to notice this and to praise him.
Without Holloway he was a boat anchor at even strength.
skilles wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:00 pm
lol imagine sitting on the couch being embarrassed by a professional athlete.
lol the culture we live in.
You have never been embarrassed by the play of one of the Blues?
What cloud are you watching from?
Not to put words in Skilles mouth but there’s a big difference between angry and embarrassed. Sure, you get mad at something a guy does, but I’m with him, not one time have I ever felt “embarrassed”
Oh Ive been very (upset) off lol
When you finish laughing can you explain the difference?
I have seen coaches being VERY upset because the play was embarrassing.
Bob39 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 11:17 am
The problem with Kyrou has always been that people think they can clearly tell what parts of hockey (any sport) come down to effort and what parts are natural ability. They assume that Kyrou's speed and skill are just natural ability while Walker's physical play is effort. It is just not that simple. Kyrou's speed and skill are a combination of genetics and time and effort put in to refine those skills. The exact same thing is true of Walker's physical game. Yet no one every says "why doesn't Walker try harder and score 30 goals."
You have no idea if Kyrou is lazy. He might be the hardest worker in the team. It takes an incredible amount of effort to develop the ability to become one of the fastest skaters in the league. It also takes a lot of natural ability. Just like it takes a lot of genetic fortune to have the build to throw the body around all day. That also takes a lot of work. It is never just one thing.
That’s fine but a player needs to work on his weaknesses too. You can’t just always work on your strengths. Do that and you might end up with a fatal flaw in your game…sort of like how Kyrou is an absolute powerhouse of a race car but is completely neutralized when the game gets physical and the opposition targets him along the boards.
And if/when Walker starts getting paid $8.125M/year, I’ll start asking for 30 goals out of him.
Kyrou actually scored at a 35 goal pace in the series.
Yep. And 0 assists and was a -4. On a team that was +4 at 5 on 5. And soft as heck on the boards.
