so if liberatore becomes a solid starter do we reassess the trade

[ecleme22]

Few weeks ago, you were quick to mention me regarding this: Well ecleme declared the trade lost 3 years ago so that can’t be!

And THAT is not a hypothetical. You actually did that.

Good luck with your busy schedule today.

Good job, buddy. You're learning what is and what isn't a hypothetical and how they're not as scary as you thought.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Herrera has 21 abs this season, wtf. SSS much? Walker is awful at the plate.

Like I said, in a vacuum I guess you could make an argument for taking RA over those two, but Herrera is a 24 year old stud prospect who hit at every level (and is also tied with RA in fWAR right now, despite the SSS) and Walker, as bad as he has been, is still a 22 year old with loads of potential.

Yes, I like Randy Arozarena, but he's 30, terrible defensively, and we've seen his peak. I'd rather have the other two.

Hey you are entitled your opinion, as we all are. I just think Randy who is 30 (which is peaking/peaked) but not old and has a ton of PA's which for some reason this forum doesn't give much weight. The guy is available every night, he has ~2500 PA's and he adjust his game with the league (He could end up with ~3000 PA's after this season). He isn't just a flash in the pan, he has made several adjustments throughout his career. Now he seems to be focusing more OBP, getting on base and being selective on the bags. His IoT metrics are still strong in some areas, including his average exit velo, which is the highest it's been in his career ~92 mph's.

I'm a Cardinals fan and hope Libby wins 15 and gets Cy Young considerations, if that happens the scales are most certainly moving in the right direction. But I am also a MLB fan and like to give players an honest eval and not just making claims based on small samples.

Why would anyone put much weight on accumulated PA? He shows up, and typically bats high in the order. That’s just a thing that happens.

You do have a point that appears to have made some adjustments, at least with his plate discipline. Selective on the bases… maybe. Historically he was one of the worst baserunners in the game, and mediocre at best defensively.

Arozarena is kind of an overrated player. particularly amongst Cardinals fans… if this place is any indication. 2-3 WAR outfielder isn’t anything special, but I’ll agree he’s fun to watch if you like chest thumping.

No lol. It’s something that happens when you are a solid baseball player. If you aren’t good you don’t get many PAs. He would have been bumped out of the league by now.

Obviously there are exception but not many. His offensive metrics are as good as pretty much anyone on this team except for a few. He would EASILY make this starting 9. He has a wRC+ ~140

2024/25 he’s become a walk monster. Let’s see if he can maintain a ~15% bb. If so he’s elite.

[thetank2]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/randy-aroz ... c-dispute/

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/randy-aroz ... c-dispute/

2020 article neat.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... /28873129/

[ecleme22]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/randy-aroz ... c-dispute/

2020 article neat.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... /28873129/

tank2 is worthless.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/randy-aroz ... c-dispute/

2020 article neat.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... /28873129/

tank2 is worthless.

I agree

[An Old Friend]

Long but good read on Liberatore’s development:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-wait-is ... s-at-hand/

And yes, love the shot they take at the Cardinals in the last paragraph…

if the Cardinals’ cornucopia of average veterans is leaving potential young standouts in the bullpen or, worse, stuck in Memphis, maybe it’s time to re-evaluate that position.

That feels like a pretty familiar criticism.

[JDW]

Few weeks ago, you were quick to mention me regarding this: Well ecleme declared the trade lost 3 years ago so that can’t be!

And THAT is not a hypothetical. You actually did that.

Good luck with your busy schedule today.

Good job, buddy. You're learning what is and what isn't a hypothetical and how they're not as scary as you thought.

Page 10 and you're still embarrassing yourself. Nice job. Maybe you should start another callout thread.

[Basil Shabazz]

Few weeks ago, you were quick to mention me regarding this: Well ecleme declared the trade lost 3 years ago so that can’t be!

And THAT is not a hypothetical. You actually did that.

Good luck with your busy schedule today.

Good job, buddy. You're learning what is and what isn't a hypothetical and how they're not as scary as you thought.

Page 10 and you're still embarrassing yourself. Nice job. Maybe you should start another callout thread.

Narcissists are often driven by a strong need for validation and a belief that they have to be right all of the time. They typically won't quit until they have had the last word.

[An Old Friend]

Long but good read on Liberatore’s development:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-wait-is ... s-at-hand/

And yes, love the shot they take at the Cardinals in the last paragraph…

if the Cardinals’ cornucopia of average veterans is leaving potential young standouts in the bullpen or, worse, stuck in Memphis, maybe it’s time to re-evaluate that position.

That feels like a pretty familiar criticism.

Following up, also enjoyed this read at the link within the story where Liberatore talks through his earlier scouting reports. Seems like he’s pretty dialed in.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/matthew-lib ... g-reports/

[ecleme22]

Few weeks ago, you were quick to mention me regarding this: Well ecleme declared the trade lost 3 years ago so that can’t be!

And THAT is not a hypothetical. You actually did that.

Good luck with your busy schedule today.

Good job, buddy. You're learning what is and what isn't a hypothetical and how they're not as scary as you thought.

Page 10 and you're still embarrassing yourself. Nice job. Maybe you should start another callout thread.

I want to hear more about your theory if Randy would’ve gotten more PAs in Sept ‘19, he wouldn’t have been traded. Lol