As Predicted Burden Dropped Out Of 1st Round

[Barksdale's People]

It’s not a coaches job to “maximize his players” (whatever that means). To quote Glenn ”Bo” Schembechler, it’s the team, not maximizing the individual.

Now can one argue that LB III wasn’t (or was) used as effectively as possible to optimize team performance? Sure. But to say LB III should have been used more to optimize his draft capital is daft.

We want the Big Ten championship and we're gonna win it as a Team. They can throw out all those great backs, and great quarterbacks, and great defensive players, throughout the country and in this conference, but there's gonna be one Team that's gonna play solely as a Team. No man is more important than The Team. No coach is more important than The Team. The Team, The Team, The Team, and if we think that way, all of us, everything that you do, you take into consideration what effect does it have on my Team? Because you can go into professional football, you can go anywhere you want to play after you leave here. You will never play for a Team again. You'll play for a contract. You'll play for this. You'll play for that. You'll play for everything except the team, and think what a great thing it is to be a part of something that is, The Team. We're gonna win it. We're gonna win the championship again because we're gonna play as team, better than anybody else in this conference, we're gonna play together as a team. We're gonna believe in each other, we're not gonna criticize each other, we're not gonna talk about each other, we're gonna encourage each other. And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan.

It really doesn’t get any simpler than that. But he’ll miss it again to keep complaining.

[onemizzou]

Every year there are 40 to 50 players that are projected to be top 10 picks by some draft guru out there.

Every single year. And somehow no coach ever gets fired because a player of his dropped in the draft. It’s almost like maximizing a few players’ draft position isn’t a college coaches’ top priority or pre-requisite for keeping their job.

Yeah, it's about maximizing your best players when your team needs it. The staff didn't do that and it cost Burden draft spots. You guys can circle jerk each other all you want but Luther lost a lot of money because of his lack of production.

So how do you balance the money you claim the coaches cost Burden with the money gained by Membou’s rise?

It seems to me by your own (thinly stretched) logic if the coaches are to blame for Burden then they must deserve celebration for Membou. Or the whole 21 wins thing over the past two years, that was nice too.

Personally I enjoyed the wins more than I would have enjoyed hearing Burden go sooner last week but I guess I’m just one of those weirdos who prefer to circle jerk victories as opposed to draft results. I’ll bet the year 2000 was a banner year at onemizzou’s house though, Mizzou was terrible but Justin Smith went #4 overall in the following draft. Highest draft pick for a Mizzou player in their history. Man, good times, it’s no wonder Larry Smith is such a revered coach in college football history.

The team was pretty good in one score games as shown to you already so “when your team needs it” is just the cherry on top of your ignorance here.

You could have had both, dummy. It would look MUCH better for the program if they'd have utilized their #1 offensive weapon. Using Burden better could have led to more of the wins you (and I and everyone else) likes but there were several games where Burden wasn't even targeted in the first half. I'm not and never did say that they should have utilized him just to improve his draft stock but had they utilized him better they could have won more games (even if that was only ONE more game) and then the draft would have taken care of itself. Yes, it looks good for the program and is useful on the recruiting trail to have high draft picks, especially when one of your recruits what highly touted and predicted to be a first round pick. Doesn't look good for you to turn a 1st round pick into a 2nd rounder.

[onemizzou]

It’s not a coaches job to “maximize his players” (whatever that means). To quote Glenn ”Bo” Schembechler, it’s the team, not maximizing the individual.

Now can one argue that LB III wasn’t (or was) used as effectively as possible to optimize team performance? Sure. But to say LB III should have been used more to optimize his draft capital is daft.

We want the Big Ten championship and we're gonna win it as a Team. They can throw out all those great backs, and great quarterbacks, and great defensive players, throughout the country and in this conference, but there's gonna be one Team that's gonna play solely as a Team. No man is more important than The Team. No coach is more important than The Team. The Team, The Team, The Team, and if we think that way, all of us, everything that you do, you take into consideration what effect does it have on my Team? Because you can go into professional football, you can go anywhere you want to play after you leave here. You will never play for a Team again. You'll play for a contract. You'll play for this. You'll play for that. You'll play for everything except the team, and think what a great thing it is to be a part of something that is, The Team. We're gonna win it. We're gonna win the championship again because we're gonna play as team, better than anybody else in this conference, we're gonna play together as a team. We're gonna believe in each other, we're not gonna criticize each other, we're not gonna talk about each other, we're gonna encourage each other. And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan.

Well, dumbo, no one said they he should have been utilized better for the purpose of improving his draft stock. Utilizing your #1 offensive weapon would be better for the team and it would have also been better for the program to have more 1st round picks. You can stop being stupid but I doubt you have any interest in that.

[winonsports]

it's about maximizing your best players when your team needs it.

So true.

A great example is the Vanderbilt game.

Needing a TD in OT, Mizzou went to Burden on the Go Route on the very first play.

[Barksdale's People]

Every year there are 40 to 50 players that are projected to be top 10 picks by some draft guru out there.

Every single year. And somehow no coach ever gets fired because a player of his dropped in the draft. It’s almost like maximizing a few players’ draft position isn’t a college coaches’ top priority or pre-requisite for keeping their job.

Yeah, it's about maximizing your best players when your team needs it. The staff didn't do that and it cost Burden draft spots. You guys can circle jerk each other all you want but Luther lost a lot of money because of his lack of production.

So how do you balance the money you claim the coaches cost Burden with the money gained by Membou’s rise?

It seems to me by your own (thinly stretched) logic if the coaches are to blame for Burden then they must deserve celebration for Membou. Or the whole 21 wins thing over the past two years, that was nice too.

Personally I enjoyed the wins more than I would have enjoyed hearing Burden go sooner last week but I guess I’m just one of those weirdos who prefer to circle jerk victories as opposed to draft results. I’ll bet the year 2000 was a banner year at onemizzou’s house though, Mizzou was terrible but Justin Smith went #4 overall in the following draft. Highest draft pick for a Mizzou player in their history. Man, good times, it’s no wonder Larry Smith is such a revered coach in college football history.

The team was pretty good in one score games as shown to you already so “when your team needs it” is just the cherry on top of your ignorance here.

You could have had both, dummy. It would look MUCH better for the program if they'd have utilized their #1 offensive weapon. Using Burden better could have led to more of the wins you (and I and everyone else) likes but there were several games where Burden wasn't even targeted in the first half. I'm not and never did say that they should have utilized him just to improve his draft stock but had they utilized him better they could have won more games (even if that was only ONE more game) and then the draft would have taken care of itself. Yes, it looks good for the program and is useful on the recruiting trail to have high draft picks, especially when one of your recruits what highly touted and predicted to be a first round pick. Doesn't look good for you to turn a 1st round pick into a 2nd rounder.

Okay, so this whole post revolves around the hypothetical that increasing Burden’s counting stats would have increased his draft position by itself.

Which is not only flawed logic since the NFL draft is based on projection and not production but it’s also a completely unknowable and unprovable hypothetical.

Good stuff.

Link to the data where having a player mock drafted in the 1st round but actually drafted in the 2nd round “doesn’t look good” on a coaches resume?

Let’s be real, your entire argument and every post you’ve made revolves around Mel Kiper Jr. and guys like him having a higher opinion of Burden than NFL scouting personnel. The entire basis of your argument starts with mock drafts.

Which of course have “mock” in the title to let the viewer know it is merely a simulation.

Allow me to be the first to caution you that all the players in this link won’t be drafted in the first round next year. Prepare your doom and gloom accordingly.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/stor ... s-32-picks

[knttiger]

Barksdale is correct, and LB had an opportunity to show his stuff before the draft and didn’t participate. Maybe his interviews didn’t go well, maybe he insulted the owners daughter, maybe 30 something NFL GM’s just screwed the pooch. Time will tell if he’s the real deal, but it won’t have much to do with his time at Mizzou.

[Barksdale's People]

Barksdale is correct, and LB had an opportunity to show his stuff before the draft and didn’t participate. Maybe his interviews didn’t go well, maybe he insulted the owners daughter, maybe 30 something NFL GM’s just screwed the pooch. Time will tell if he’s the real deal, but it won’t have much to do with his time at Mizzou.

Honestly I believe (based on nothing more than speculation) it came down to size and fit for Burden. I don’t think many teams saw him as a true #1 per se. More of an elite slot guy who fits better as a run and catch guy as opposed to just a catch radius outside type who is open even when he isn’t a la McMillian if he hits his ceiling. Now one can become elite with Burden profile, see Amon Ra St. Brown, but it is a narrower path.

And that is the thing about the draft, people rise and fall based on nothing more than perceived scheme fit and how teams view them rather than talent or tape.

Personally I think Golden in particular going ahead of him will be seen as a laugher a few years from now. But I’m pretty biased.

[Bob39]

He got drafted by the closest NFL team to his home and will have every chance to play right away. He already has a lucrative potato chip fortune to fall back on. Other than ego and I little bit of money, where you are drafted doesn't matter that much. Especially now when teams don't give a guy five years just because they drafted him high.

[ClassicO]

Mel Gray was 6th round, 147th pick. Had a pretty good career! Four straight Pro Bowls (1974–1977).