Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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craviduce wrote: 07 May 2025 10:48 am
Quincy Varnish wrote: 07 May 2025 10:47 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Quincy Varnish wrote: 07 May 2025 11:16 am
craviduce wrote: 07 May 2025 10:48 am
Quincy Varnish wrote: 07 May 2025 10:47 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
What are ‘SAs’?
San Antonians?

Senior Assistant?

Samuel Adams?

Intellectual Posterior
Sanguine Armadillo
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
No, but I'm sure the Cardinals would "do" a trade of Ryan Fernandez to the Dodgers for Ohtani, Betts, Freeman, and Yamamoto.
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:24 am So the best young (age 22) starting pitcher in MLB, who happens to be established, wouldn't interest the Cardinals for a couple of "high ceiling" projects. Skenes would sure come in handy in a short series playoffs situation. As it stands, right now, are Walker and Gorman irreplaceable? Think about it before over reacting. What too many can't decipher is, I just threw this out there for discussion. I didn't propose the trade. There's a difference.
Problem is you could take a 100 Walkers and Gormans and they still wouldn’t be worth one Skenes.
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
Some attention to enjoy while self pleasuring.
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:34 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:28 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:24 am So the best young starting pitcher in MLB, who happens to be established, wouldn't interest the Cardinals for a couple of "high ceiling" projects. Skenes would sure come in handy in a short series playoffs situation. As it stands, right now, are Walker and Gorman irreplaceable?
Yes sir they would, and 29 other teams with better high end prospects. That’s the first thing.

Second he’s a league level Ace. Two fledgling players won’t even touch that deal.
At least you gave some reasoning. Many here are more into SA remarks. I salute you.
Its like asking someone if they would trade aaron miles for albert pujols. Its utterly ridiculous. Skenes could confend for cy young awards and hes still young and cost controlled and you are asking if he would be traded for what could be 2 failed prospects in their 3rd and 4th seasons. What kind of reactions were you expecting
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
Ok, would the Pirates trade the Rookie of the Year Winner with the best stuff in the game, and the heir apparent as the next top pitcher in the game of baseball for 2 ex first rounders who after multiple years of opportunities have shown that they barely even belong in the major leagues?

How hard do you think the pirates would laugh if the cardinals proposed them that trade?

Answer your own question
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 11:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
Ok, would the Pirates trade the Rookie of the Year Winner with the best stuff in the game, and the heir apparent as the next top pitcher in the game of baseball for 2 ex first rounders who after multiple years of opportunities have shown that they barely even belong in the major leagues?

How hard do you think the pirates would laugh if the cardinals proposed them that trade?

Answer your own question
Something, some are missing. Skenes will demand some astronomical money in the future. Can the Pirates afford him, long term?
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 12:02 pm
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 11:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
Ok, would the Pirates trade the Rookie of the Year Winner with the best stuff in the game, and the heir apparent as the next top pitcher in the game of baseball for 2 ex first rounders who after multiple years of opportunities have shown that they barely even belong in the major leagues?

How hard do you think the pirates would laugh if the cardinals proposed them that trade?

Answer your own question
Something, some are missing. Skenes will demand some astronomical money in the future. Can the Pirates afford him, long term?
Of course not. They will trade him in due time to avoid a total loss. Years away.
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 12:02 pm
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 11:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
Ok, would the Pirates trade the Rookie of the Year Winner with the best stuff in the game, and the heir apparent as the next top pitcher in the game of baseball for 2 ex first rounders who after multiple years of opportunities have shown that they barely even belong in the major leagues?

How hard do you think the pirates would laugh if the cardinals proposed them that trade?

Answer your own question
Something, some are missing. Skenes will demand some astronomical money in the future. Can the Pirates afford him, long term?
An answer to your question of whether the Pirates will be able to afford him in the future would be “probably not”.
That being said....how many years of control does he have?
3? 4?
When you factor that in to the equation why would they trade him now especially for two unproven players??
I predict they will look to deal him down the road.
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 12:02 pm
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 11:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
Ok, would the Pirates trade the Rookie of the Year Winner with the best stuff in the game, and the heir apparent as the next top pitcher in the game of baseball for 2 ex first rounders who after multiple years of opportunities have shown that they barely even belong in the major leagues?

How hard do you think the pirates would laugh if the cardinals proposed them that trade?

Answer your own question
Something, some are missing. Skenes will demand some astronomical money in the future. Can the Pirates afford him, long term?
No, everyone here knows that a healthy Skenes will one day command top dollar. What you are missing is that at that point the Pirates would trade him to whomever offered the richest package of prospects. So why Walker and Gorman now? Now if they threw a superstar in the making like Burleson in then the Pirates may bite.
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:20 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
All right man. Cmon on over. I got the good stuff.that [shirt] your smoking ain’t working .
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Mort Gage wrote: 07 May 2025 12:13 pm
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 12:02 pm
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 11:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
Ok, would the Pirates trade the Rookie of the Year Winner with the best stuff in the game, and the heir apparent as the next top pitcher in the game of baseball for 2 ex first rounders who after multiple years of opportunities have shown that they barely even belong in the major leagues?

How hard do you think the pirates would laugh if the cardinals proposed them that trade?

Answer your own question
Something, some are missing. Skenes will demand some astronomical money in the future. Can the Pirates afford him, long term?
No, everyone here knows that a healthy Skenes will one day command top dollar. What you are missing is that at that point the Pirates would trade him to whomever offered the richest package of prospects. So why Walker and Gorman now? Now if they threw a superstar in the making like Burleson in then the Pirates may bite.
I just remember Miami picking up Alcantara and Gallen, that were not even where Walker and Gorman are now, for Ozuna. Who knows, maybe the Pirates would look ahead and take a gamble like Miami did.
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 12:02 pm
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 11:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
Ok, would the Pirates trade the Rookie of the Year Winner with the best stuff in the game, and the heir apparent as the next top pitcher in the game of baseball for 2 ex first rounders who after multiple years of opportunities have shown that they barely even belong in the major leagues?

How hard do you think the pirates would laugh if the cardinals proposed them that trade?

Answer your own question
Something, some are missing. Skenes will demand some astronomical money in the future. Can the Pirates afford him, long term?
No they can't, but they're not going to trade him gor 2 guys who can't hit their own weight.
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No
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Re: Would the Pirates trade Skenes for both Walker and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 12:18 pm
Mort Gage wrote: 07 May 2025 12:13 pm
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 12:02 pm
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 11:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 10:42 am
Adam2 wrote: 07 May 2025 10:39 am
Shady wrote: 07 May 2025 09:59 am Would the Cardinals do that trade?
this is why nobody respects you or your opinions on anything. And if it was a joke (hopefully it was) you could do better than that
Why don't you give some solid baseball opinions on the OP? Instead of trying to impress the other SAs.
Ok, would the Pirates trade the Rookie of the Year Winner with the best stuff in the game, and the heir apparent as the next top pitcher in the game of baseball for 2 ex first rounders who after multiple years of opportunities have shown that they barely even belong in the major leagues?

How hard do you think the pirates would laugh if the cardinals proposed them that trade?

Answer your own question
Something, some are missing. Skenes will demand some astronomical money in the future. Can the Pirates afford him, long term?
No, everyone here knows that a healthy Skenes will one day command top dollar. What you are missing is that at that point the Pirates would trade him to whomever offered the richest package of prospects. So why Walker and Gorman now? Now if they threw a superstar in the making like Burleson in then the Pirates may bite.
I just remember Miami picking up Alcantara and Gallen, that were not even where Walker and Gorman are now, for Ozuna. Who knows, maybe the Pirates would look ahead like Miami did.
That's because after the death of Taveras the Cardinals needed a power bat in the OF. Mo was desperate after striking out on Stanton and made a trade that backfired badly. The Pirates are not desperate. They can afford to hang on to Skenes until his arb figures become uncomfortable for their cheapskate owner. At that point Skenes will be much more valuable than Ozuna was and will get an enormous haul.
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