Army's Mom wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:54 am
You haven't established anything, except that it's easier to get good players at the top of the draft. Duh.
That doesn't prove that it's the best way to build a team. Or the best way to guarantee wins. In that, you fail.
Take a look at the rosters across the whole NHL. The Blues are the only one that doesn't have a superstar or 2.
Take a look at the rosters of the teams remaining in the playoffs. They draft well and there are DRAFT RESULTS showing up on their roster.
We lost Pietrangelo, ROR, Tarasenko, Barbashev and what has Army's chosen rebuild path gotten us in return? Anybody have a clue? Anybody to speak of? Yet, yesterday, Army proclaims that the "REBUILD IS OVER, OR WHATEVER THAT WAS". We got little to show for our jettisoned 2019 success, and Army claims that all is good again. Nothing to see here, folks.
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:38 am
I liked that his main target is a “200 ft offensive player”. I interpret that as likely being a 2C caliber of player but we’ll see.
2023 was a great draft, the best in years. Didn't the Blues draft a couple of "200ft offensive players" in that beauty of a draft? Wasn't Dvorsky projected by the fans and Army to be our "missing 2C" about 1 minute after his name was called?
So you are hopeful that WITH A LATE PICK in the lousy draft of 2025, Army will find what he misfired on in 2023?
Yes, I agree that Army knocked it out of the park on Broberg and Holloway. However, that was a once-in-a-lifetime bank robbery. I want to see him draft a superstar, not steal one.
Yes, fans pretty instantly projected Dvorsky as our likely future 2C. Not our immediate one. Thomas didn’t even become the 2C here until the 2021-22 season when he was 22 years old. Dvorsky is 19.
You say the 2023 draft was great yet they also misfired. Which is it?
The fact of the matter is they didn’t misfire. Dvorsky is right on track to where he should be. Most 19 yr olds are still playing Jrs at 19. He not only played in the 2nd best pro league in the world but did quite well.
Here’s the bottom line: you seem hell bent on wanting to root for a superstar. Yet the Blues very clearly have absolutely no intention of tanking to where they get a draft pick likely to get a superstar. My suggestion is you go find a different team to root for. The Blues just don’t share the same organizational philosophy as you. Not by a country mile.
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:38 am
I liked that his main target is a “200 ft offensive player”. I interpret that as likely being a 2C caliber of player but we’ll see.
2023 was a great draft, the best in years. Didn't the Blues draft a couple of "200ft offensive players" in that beauty of a draft? Wasn't Dvorsky projected by the fans and Army to be our "missing 2C" about 1 minute after his name was called?
So you are hopeful that WITH A LATE PICK in the lousy draft of 2025, Army will find what he misfired on in 2023?
Yes, I agree that Army knocked it out of the park on Broberg and Holloway. However, that was a once-in-a-lifetime bank robbery. I want to see him draft a superstar, not steal one.
No, Army NEVER predicted Dvorsky would be our "missing 2C". Fans on message boards did. Maybe you were one of them piling on the unrealistic expectations, to only now feel bitter for it?
And nobody is reading Army's search for a "200 ft offensive player" as being limited to the entry draft. Most of us recognize that 99% of draft picks won't play next year, so when Army was talking about what he wants to add for next year's roster, he meant free agency or a hockey trade.
It's cool you want to see him draft a superstar.
It's also unlikely you'll ever get that chance, because this Blues owner has already stated he doesn't have the appetite for a full tank. You can either accept that, and quit blaming the GM and the amateur scouts for not being a lottery team, or you can find a perennial lottery contender like the Blackhawks.
callitwhatyouwant wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:55 am
Just so everyone is clear. This is the last 10 years top 5 in wins in the west and top 5 in points pct in the west.
Points Percentage (added this so Vegas could be included since they wont register on wins)
Vegas - 4 overall
Stars -8 overall
Blues - 10 overall
Wild - 11 overall
Jets - 12 overall
So not only are the Blues 3rd on both lists in the West over the last 10 years, they are doing that and back in the playoffs again. What Army has done is nothing short of historic. He will be in the Hall of Fame no questions asked.
Armstrong is 9th overall in wins by a GM. Only Ken Holland has a better win percentage than him in that group. The guy is one of the best. Can't contest it. And to even try proves how terrible of an understanding of sport/hockey you have.
So what you are saying is despite not having the good fortune of drafting MacKinnon and Makar, Army's teams are right there with the Avs? In other words, he's done just as much with a lot less?
Yes in fact that's exactly what I'm saying. If you want to add in their stanley cup year was on the back of a binner injury you can do that too. Also, has their window started to close? Lot's of stockpiled draft picks and then lose Rantannen? Guys argument is a sinking ship. They don't even own some of the players he is attributing them for drafting and he's using them as an argument their team is going to be better moving forward. don't know how that one works but OK.
Army's Mom wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:54 am
You haven't established anything, except that it's easier to get good players at the top of the draft. Duh.
That doesn't prove that it's the best way to build a team. Or the best way to guarantee wins. In that, you fail.
Take a look at the rosters across the whole NHL. The Blues are the only one that doesn't have a superstar or 2.
Take a look at the rosters of the teams remaining in the playoffs. They draft well and there are DRAFT RESULTS showing up on their roster.
We lost Pietrangelo, ROR, Tarasenko, Barbashev and what has Army's chosen rebuild path gotten us in return? Anybody have a clue? Anybody to speak of? Yet, yesterday, Army proclaims that the "REBUILD IS OVER, OR WHATEVER THAT WAS". We got little to show for our jettisoned 2019 success, and Army claims that all is good again. Nothing to see here, folks.
Who is the superstar on Carolina?
Which superstars did FLA draft? Versus traded for?
Same question for the Caps?
Same question for the Stars?
Same question for the Knights?
Five of eight teams left playing don't fit your mold of "have superstars, and were mostly build through their own high draft picks". That's more than half.
If one example (Colorado, earlier) was enough for you to "establish" that drafting high works to build a winner, then 5 of 8 counterexamples is enough to disprove your theory. Period.
- The interviewers would ask the same questions in the same way to a 5th-grade pom-pom squad that lost on the last pom-pom throw. Don't want to offend any girl/Mom is more important than getting answers that people want to know. It's BluesTalk on youtube. I can see now that I will never be out there firing questions.
- Love Cam Fowler. He is as intelligent, committed, and confident in the interview as he was on the ice. If they could somehow find a young Fowler, I would be the happiest guy in the world. If I'm going to lose a high draft pick because of a veteran that fixes holes, I'm glad it is Fowler.
- Love Binnington. He is as much St Louis as Toasted Ravioli. We need to get back to the Cup because we have a goalie gem.
- I thought that Schenn sounded like he knows that he won't be coming back. Kinda sad, but I hope that it is for the best for everyone. I can see where Schenn could be relied on for good kick in whoever's A___ was needed. I later noticed that Army didn't say that Schenn will be back as Captain. Schenn is gone.
- Monty/Army said that major planned success is getting 5% better in 2025/6 ?!!!! Wow, that's reassuring! On the comedy side, it does jive with my stance that there is not much difference in win % between the winningest and the losingest team. Make a note everyone. "Tanking" henceforth means getting about 10% worse.
- I want to see a small leash on Armstrong to avoid his big mistakes. Armstrong needs the tight leash a lot more than Bolduc.
- Armstrong is still selling his snake oil. He wants to be critiqued only about wins/losses, not the overall health of the roster. Can't believe that the interviewers let him skate that way. Next year, just ask him if we improved 5% on winning meaningless regular season games. So infuriating. Armstrong is who he is because the St Louis Media enables the sissified handling of our GM. I wish that I could tear into his hide.
- Per Armstrong, ratchet down your Dvorsky expectations, folks. He's looking more like Perunovich than Ovechkin now. Disappointing. The longer it takes for a player to make it to the NHL, the less of an impact he will have when/if he gets there.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:46 am
The key takeaway for me was as most of us said Army is likely to shop for a C as Dvorsky cannot be penciled in to a top 9 Center spot till he earns it or shows hes ready for full time action. My guess is we see Dvorsky start again in the AHL and begin to dominate that league with a rather loaded Springfield roster while Army finds a short term C he can plug into either the 3rd or 4th center role. Not sure the Blues need anymore wingers it will already be a tough squad to make with Kaskimaki and others potentially pushing vets as soon as October
Yep. That’s how I see it as well. And regarding Dvorsky, it’s best to not force him into a spot. Best to make him steal that spot. When Thomas was a teenager, the Blues acquired Schenn (same day we drafted Thomas actually) and then a year later we acquired ROR and Bozak. Did that block Thomas? Nope. Here he is, still our #1C. My preference is to keep Dvorsky at C but it also wouldn’t hurt him to break into the league as a winger, just like Thomas did. Wing requires less defensive responsibility, no faceoff responsibility and I’ll have to admit that Dvorsky looked particularly dangerous in the AHL playoffs where they moved him to LW to load the 1st line.
Interesting comment from Armey that he liked this ufa class and was waiting to see who actually makes it to ufa come July. He also commented that he likes guys from "winning" organizations. Does really seem that he might be thinking short term play for a Matt Duchene or Mikael Granlund to address the number two center slot.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑07 May 2025 11:04 amWe lost Pietrangelo, ROR, Tarasenko, Barbashev and what has Army's chosen rebuild path gotten us in return? Anybody have a clue?
Why yes, I do. With those 4 players, along with throw-ins Mikkola and Acciari, the Blues received:
25th pick (Otto Stenberg)
29th pick (Theo Lindstein)
Zach Dean
56th pick (Lucas Fischer)
76th pick (Juraj Pekarcik)
95th pick (Adam Jecho)
Sammy Blais
Hunter Skinner
Adam Gaudette
Mikhail Abramov
Obviously they got nothing for Petro. He walked as a UFA. But for the other three they got 2 top prospects, 3 solid prospects, 1 maybe prospect and scraps. You’re just not patient enough to see it through. Already declaring them failures because for some reason these teenagers aren’t NHL stars yet.
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:38 am
I liked that his main target is a “200 ft offensive player”. I interpret that as likely being a 2C caliber of player but we’ll see.
2023 was a great draft, the best in years. Didn't the Blues draft a couple of "200ft offensive players" in that beauty of a draft? Wasn't Dvorsky projected by the fans and Army to be our "missing 2C" about 1 minute after his name was called?
So you are hopeful that WITH A LATE PICK in the lousy draft of 2025, Army will find what he misfired on in 2023?
Yes, I agree that Army knocked it out of the park on Broberg and Holloway. However, that was a once-in-a-lifetime bank robbery. I want to see him draft a superstar, not steal one.
No, Army NEVER predicted Dvorsky would be our "missing 2C". Fans on message boards did. Maybe you were one of them piling on the unrealistic expectations, to only now feel bitter for it?
And nobody is reading Army's search for a "200 ft offensive player" as being limited to the entry draft. Most of us recognize that 99% of draft picks won't play next year, so when Army was talking about what he wants to add for next year's roster, he meant free agency or a hockey trade.
It's cool you want to see him draft a superstar.
It's also unlikely you'll ever get that chance, because this Blues owner has already stated he doesn't have the appetite for a full tank. You can either accept that, and quit blaming the GM and the amateur scouts for not being a lottery team, or you can find a perennial lottery contender like the Blackhawks.
Buddy, you do realize the only thing this simpleton cares about is attention, right?
You might as well be arguing evolution to a creationist. There's never going to be a winner in this conversation because he's not concerned with reality and facts. So jettison this green goblin back from the funk he crawled out of.
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:38 am
I liked that his main target is a “200 ft offensive player”. I interpret that as likely being a 2C caliber of player but we’ll see.
2023 was a great draft, the best in years. Didn't the Blues draft a couple of "200ft offensive players" in that beauty of a draft? Wasn't Dvorsky projected by the fans and Army to be our "missing 2C" about 1 minute after his name was called?
So you are hopeful that WITH A LATE PICK in the lousy draft of 2025, Army will find what he misfired on in 2023?
Yes, I agree that Army knocked it out of the park on Broberg and Holloway. However, that was a once-in-a-lifetime bank robbery. I want to see him draft a superstar, not steal one.
Yes, fans pretty instantly projected Dvorsky as our likely future 2C. Not our immediate one. Thomas didn’t even become the 2C here until the 2021-22 season when he was 22 years old. Dvorsky is 19.
You say the 2023 draft was great yet they also misfired. Which is it?
The fact of the matter is they didn’t misfire. Dvorsky is right on track to where he should be. Most 19 yr olds are still playing Jrs at 19. He not only played in the 2nd best pro league in the world but did quite well.
Here’s the bottom line: you seem hell bent on wanting to root for a superstar. Yet the Blues very clearly have absolutely no intention of tanking to where they get a draft pick likely to get a superstar. My suggestion is you go find a different team to root for. The Blues just don’t share the same organizational philosophy as you. Not by a country mile.
The 2023 draft had a lot of talent, and the Blues evidently MISFIRED in who they picked at the buffet table.
Here is the bottom line...
I'll keep my Blues. Thank you.
Army will be gone soon, and maybe things will change in my direction.
Till then, I will be on BluesTalk reminding people to look under the hood for the sake of the city.
I'm Schenn, not Kyrou.
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:38 am
I liked that his main target is a “200 ft offensive player”. I interpret that as likely being a 2C caliber of player but we’ll see.
2023 was a great draft, the best in years. Didn't the Blues draft a couple of "200ft offensive players" in that beauty of a draft? Wasn't Dvorsky projected by the fans and Army to be our "missing 2C" about 1 minute after his name was called?
So you are hopeful that WITH A LATE PICK in the lousy draft of 2025, Army will find what he misfired on in 2023?
Yes, I agree that Army knocked it out of the park on Broberg and Holloway. However, that was a once-in-a-lifetime bank robbery. I want to see him draft a superstar, not steal one.
No, Army NEVER predicted Dvorsky would be our "missing 2C". Fans on message boards did. Maybe you were one of them piling on the unrealistic expectations, to only now feel bitter for it?
And nobody is reading Army's search for a "200 ft offensive player" as being limited to the entry draft. Most of us recognize that 99% of draft picks won't play next year, so when Army was talking about what he wants to add for next year's roster, he meant free agency or a hockey trade.
It's cool you want to see him draft a superstar.
It's also unlikely you'll ever get that chance, because this Blues owner has already stated he doesn't have the appetite for a full tank. You can either accept that, and quit blaming the GM and the amateur scouts for not being a lottery team, or you can find a perennial lottery contender like the Blackhawks.
Buddy, you do realize the only thing this simpleton cares about is attention, right?
You might as well be arguing evolution to a creationist. There's never going to be a winner in this conversation because he's not concerned with reality and facts. So jettison this green goblin back from the funk he crawled out of.
By all means, I do HIGHLY recommend that you (and others like you) stop commenting on my posts. I don't need or want your "attention". Trust me on this. I'm here to provide rational analysis for the people with open minds. I provide it, and off I go happy as a lark.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑07 May 2025 09:53 am
BluesTalk is lousy at providing analysis. I get timed out 9 out of 10 times, and then my content is lost. BluesTalk is the Kyrou of Talk forums. It can only do so much.
Summary:
Just consider what the team would look like right now if we only had our drafted players. Throw out Broberg, Holloway, and Fowler.
Colorado would have Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.
No. Our scouting department is lousy, and any list that says otherwise is a worthless read.
Talk about an apples and oranges comparison, or cherry picking your data…..or any other fruit-related thing you can come up with!
So tell me, when did the Blues scouts have the luxury of the 2nd overall pick (Landeskog), 1st overall pick (MacKinnon), 10th overall pick (Rantanen), and 4th overall pick (Makar…who should have gone even higher if Philadelphia didn’t screw the pooch)
The 10th overall pick we used on Dvorsky is the highest pick we have had in years. Otherwise, the Blues have consistently picked in the 20’s. Given where the Blues have picked, they have done really well, and the 2023 draft looks like it could really be a home run.
Bingo, We have a winner here, folks. A man that GETS IT!!!!!! Finally, sanity enters the rooms like a spring breeze on the porch.
The idiots will only say that the Blues draft great, and look no further. There lips are too firmly attached to Army that they can't see DRAFT RESULTS.
Imagine that folks.... Colorado drafts better than us when they have picks 2, 1, 10, 4, and the Blues have a single 10.
So now that we've established the draft works when you have high picks, let take this one step further.
Next Question for those that can grasp reality and have a brain:
Does anyone remember Colorado TANKING? Does anyone remember Colorado not being a great team? Does anyone remember Colorado being a LOT WORSE than the Blues in regular season results?
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:38 am
I liked that his main target is a “200 ft offensive player”. I interpret that as likely being a 2C caliber of player but we’ll see.
2023 was a great draft, the best in years. Didn't the Blues draft a couple of "200ft offensive players" in that beauty of a draft? Wasn't Dvorsky projected by the fans and Army to be our "missing 2C" about 1 minute after his name was called?
So you are hopeful that WITH A LATE PICK in the lousy draft of 2025, Army will find what he misfired on in 2023?
Yes, I agree that Army knocked it out of the park on Broberg and Holloway. However, that was a once-in-a-lifetime bank robbery. I want to see him draft a superstar, not steal one.
Yes, fans pretty instantly projected Dvorsky as our likely future 2C. Not our immediate one. Thomas didn’t even become the 2C here until the 2021-22 season when he was 22 years old. Dvorsky is 19.
You say the 2023 draft was great yet they also misfired. Which is it?
The fact of the matter is they didn’t misfire. Dvorsky is right on track to where he should be. Most 19 yr olds are still playing Jrs at 19. He not only played in the 2nd best pro league in the world but did quite well.
Here’s the bottom line: you seem hell bent on wanting to root for a superstar. Yet the Blues very clearly have absolutely no intention of tanking to where they get a draft pick likely to get a superstar. My suggestion is you go find a different team to root for. The Blues just don’t share the same organizational philosophy as you. Not by a country mile.
The 2023 draft had a lot of talent, and the Blues evidently MISFIRED in who they picked at the buffet table.
Here is the bottom line...
I'll keep my Blues. Thank you.
Army will be gone soon, and maybe things will change in my direction.
Till then, I will be on BluesTalk reminding people to look under the hood for the sake of the city.
I'm Schenn, not Kyrou.
And you think they misfired in 2023 why? I’m sure your reasoning will be just as good as why you think the scouting staff misfires pretty much every year - absolutely nothing.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑07 May 2025 11:04 amWe lost Pietrangelo, ROR, Tarasenko, Barbashev and what has Army's chosen rebuild path gotten us in return? Anybody have a clue?
Why yes, I do. With those 4 players, along with throw-ins Mikkola and Acciari, the Blues received:
25th pick (Otto Stenberg)
29th pick (Theo Lindstein)
Zach Dean
56th pick (Lucas Fischer)
76th pick (Juraj Pekarcik)
95th pick (Adam Jecho)
Sammy Blais
Hunter Skinner
Adam Gaudette
Mikhail Abramov
Obviously they got nothing for Petro. He walked as a UFA. But for the other three they got 2 top prospects, 3 solid prospects, 1 maybe prospect and scraps. You’re just not patient enough to see it through. Already declaring them failures because for some reason these teenagers aren’t NHL stars yet.
Fair enough. Point well made. Maybe more patience is required.
Snuggerud is a success story I think, so that is a good point in Army's favor.
I'm not declaring them a failure because they aren't NHL stars yet.
I fear that they are failures because:
-Armstrong says nothing about them
-The internet says nothing about them
-They are not dominating in their leagues
-Army's track record
-The odds of low draft picks actually making an impact in the NHL
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑07 May 2025 10:38 am
I liked that his main target is a “200 ft offensive player”. I interpret that as likely being a 2C caliber of player but we’ll see.
2023 was a great draft, the best in years. Didn't the Blues draft a couple of "200ft offensive players" in that beauty of a draft? Wasn't Dvorsky projected by the fans and Army to be our "missing 2C" about 1 minute after his name was called?
So you are hopeful that WITH A LATE PICK in the lousy draft of 2025, Army will find what he misfired on in 2023?
Yes, I agree that Army knocked it out of the park on Broberg and Holloway. However, that was a once-in-a-lifetime bank robbery. I want to see him draft a superstar, not steal one.
Yes, fans pretty instantly projected Dvorsky as our likely future 2C. Not our immediate one. Thomas didn’t even become the 2C here until the 2021-22 season when he was 22 years old. Dvorsky is 19.
You say the 2023 draft was great yet they also misfired. Which is it?
The fact of the matter is they didn’t misfire. Dvorsky is right on track to where he should be. Most 19 yr olds are still playing Jrs at 19. He not only played in the 2nd best pro league in the world but did quite well.
Here’s the bottom line: you seem hell bent on wanting to root for a superstar. Yet the Blues very clearly have absolutely no intention of tanking to where they get a draft pick likely to get a superstar. My suggestion is you go find a different team to root for. The Blues just don’t share the same organizational philosophy as you. Not by a country mile.
The 2023 draft had a lot of talent, and the Blues evidently MISFIRED in who they picked at the buffet table.
Here is the bottom line...
I'll keep my Blues. Thank you.
Army will be gone soon, and maybe things will change in my direction.
Till then, I will be on BluesTalk reminding people to look under the hood for the sake of the city.
I'm Schenn, not Kyrou.
And you think they misfired in 2023 why? I’m sure your reasoning will be just as good as why you think the scouting staff misfires pretty much every year - absolutely nothing.
well there is a bright side to IT's last comment. the goblin said they would leave the board for good and IT didn't. Now IT's saying IT's going to stay. Maybe that means IT's leaving? Who knows.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑07 May 2025 11:04 amWe lost Pietrangelo, ROR, Tarasenko, Barbashev and what has Army's chosen rebuild path gotten us in return? Anybody have a clue?
Why yes, I do. With those 4 players, along with throw-ins Mikkola and Acciari, the Blues received:
25th pick (Otto Stenberg)
29th pick (Theo Lindstein)
Zach Dean
56th pick (Lucas Fischer)
76th pick (Juraj Pekarcik)
95th pick (Adam Jecho)
Sammy Blais
Hunter Skinner
Adam Gaudette
Mikhail Abramov
Obviously they got nothing for Petro. He walked as a UFA. But for the other three they got 2 top prospects, 3 solid prospects, 1 maybe prospect and scraps. You’re just not patient enough to see it through. Already declaring them failures because for some reason these teenagers aren’t NHL stars yet.
Fair enough. Point well made. Maybe more patience is required.
Snuggerud is a success story I think, so that is a good point in Army's favor.
I'm not declaring them a failure because they aren't NHL stars yet.
I fear that they are failures because:
-Armstrong says nothing about them
-The internet says nothing about them
-They are not dominating in their leagues
-Army's track record
-The odds of low draft picks actually making an impact in the NHL
Didn’t you vow to leave the board?
How long did that last? Less than a week?
Why should anyone take you seriously?
