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[sdaltons]

*if only we could be more like the Avalanche!*


--Blues and Avs seasons end in literally the same exact outcome--


*oh, well I didn't mean it like that*


At least it wasn't like Perron or Pietrangelo with a third period hat trick to end our season.

[STL fan in MN]

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Summary:

Just consider what the team would look like right now if we only had our drafted players. Throw out Broberg, Holloway, and Fowler.

Colorado would have Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

No. Our scouting department is lousy, and any list that says otherwise is a worthless read.

Ah yes, it’s the website’s fault why you can’t share your content…not that the content doesn’t exist. Got it..

Face it, you’ve got nothing. Just your opinion that’s based on nothing. A blowhard that continually sees the truth shown to his face and dismisses it at “worthless” with absolutely no reasoning when it completely contradicts his arguments.

[callitwhatyouwant]

BluesTalk is lousy at providing analysis. I get timed out 9 out of 10 times, and then my content is lost. BluesTalk is the Kyrou of Talk forums. It can only do so much.

Summary:

Just consider what the team would look like right now if we only had our drafted players. Throw out Broberg, Holloway, and Fowler.

Colorado would have Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

No. Our scouting department is lousy, and any list that says otherwise is a worthless read.

Ah yes, it’s the website’s fault why you can’t share your content…not that the content doesn’t exist. Got it..

Face it, you’ve got nothing. Just your opinion that’s based on nothing. A blowhard that continually sees the truth shown to his face and dismisses it at “worthless” with absolutely no reasoning when it completely contradicts his arguments.

it's really hard to "control C" your post before you click submit. I told you guys yesterday that a smell of goblin goop is missing a couple neurons firing between the ears. Most be a troll quality. posts trash all day on a message board but can't figure out how to "not lose his work 9 times out of 10."

[STL fan in MN]

Another bit of perspective...

Give consideration to the question of where this team would be if all that it had was Armstrong's drafting...

No Fowler, Faksa, Holloway, or Broberg. What shape would the team be in? Accidental and gross tanking is the answer.

Hey sportswriters... You think you could ask a few more questions about our draft scouting department? We don't need to know that Stenberg is finding himself on the bus more often. A key characteristic of legit cup teams is being loaded with their own drafted talent. Doug Armstrong was pretty quiet about our prospects yesterday, don't you think?

When Armstrong doesn't say much about our own drafted prospects.... you better listen, because history may be repeating.

Sure, finding players released from other clubs and trades can help, but it can also hurt. Teams tend to keep their best--obviously.
For every Fowler on our roster, there are 2 Leddys, and a 3rd Leddy on payroll and injured.

What? Why would he talk about the prospects more? Only one prospect question was asked and he answered it. He answered the questions that were asked of him. Why must you always find some nefarious hidden meaning to things?

And I’ll never understand your critique of our scouting dept that somehow it’s bad or underperforming. You’ve been shown numerous times now how the Blues scouts have outperformed most other teams over the years.

Who is the 2C, 3C and 4C going to be next year? You don't know, do you? You are not expecting any great things at these C positions in 2025, are you? How many years now have these positions been a squishy spot? You don't know the ETA for a solution, do you?

Dallas has known who their 4 C's are for 2 years, and they are expecting the best set in the NHL.

Our scouting departing is one of the worst in the league, and the presser questioning didn't even touch on it. IMO, disgraceful.

So roster uncertainty heading into the summer, when contracts expire, is somehow an indictment of poor drafting now? That makes absolutely no sense. As for next season, the Cs could be all sorts of combos and configurations. Could be…

Thomas, Schenn, Sunny, Faksa

Thomas, UFA/trade target, Schenn, Faksa

Thomas, Schenn, UFA/trade target, Faksa

Thomas, UFA/trade target, Schenn, UFA/trade target

Thomas, Schenn, Dvorsky, Faksa

Thomas, Schenn, Dvorsky, Sunny

Thomas, Schenn, Dvorsky, UFA/trade target

or even

UFA/trade target, Thomas, Schenn, Faksa/Sunny/UFA/trade target

I could go on. Yeah, there’s uncertainty there as of today. Dallas’s picture is clearer? Good for them. We’re not there yet. Trying to get there. Won’t happen overnight.

As for our drafting, show me some sort of proof that the Blues are bad at it. Here’s my proof that they’re above average:

Analysis showing they’re the 4th best:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/wh ... he-draft/

Additional analysis showing they're the 3rd or 4th best.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/249952 ... d_article

Analysis showing the Blues have produced the 9th most NHL level players (the ones above measure the impact of those players while this one just looks at the raw number of players produced):
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ ... ftHistory

I’ve seen plenty of others over the years and they all show the Blues being in the top third no matter how the the analysis is done.

The bottom line is my opinion is based on probable facts. Real, hard data. Results. Yours is based on your feelings and a hatred for Doug Armstrong.

The Blues scouting department is top notch. Most metrics have them kicking above the pay grade year in and year out. This current group of young players has been exceptional drafting over the last 3 years. We will see what the payoff is in the long run. But 5 first rounders over the last 3, as well as acquiring 3 with Broberg, Holloway, and Dean. That's a lot of juice in a small window. On top of that, you had to have some pretty top tier scouting to make the plays they did on Broberg and Holloway. That was a lot of faith. People kept claiming overpay last summer. Guess what, they underpaid for their value. Blues know what they are doing from a scout/draft/league talent analysis.

You can say the Blues have an issue with contracts, but even then, they are about to be one of the best set contract teams in the league in 2 seasons. Assuming Krug is out this year, you have 12.5m to resign Faksa/Hofer and the 2C you are talking about. If you can get Faksa at 2-2.5 and you get Hofer around 3, that gives you about 7ish to play with. Can definitely find yourself a barbashev caliber player in that spot. They did say tho they might look at Suter but that would be about 1m you would hope for the last year.

People who rip on Army and his transparency clearly aren't fan of sport or the Blues. GM's are never as forthcoming as he is about what is going on.

Well said. Although it would mostly be the pro scouts that would get the credit for the acquisitions of Broberg, Holloway and Dean though…although with them being relatively recent draftees, I’m sure the amateur scouts still had opinions on them and were consulted. But either way, kudos to the team as a whole for adding a lot of talent to the org.

And I just can’t see how the Blues drafting is considered bad. As you said, all the metrics point to it being good. And while none of the metrics would include the last 2-3 drafts (you have to give the players time to either make it or fail before counting the chickens), Neighbours has exceeded his draft position, Bolduc is looking like he will likely exceed his draft position, Snuggerud is looking like he might REALLY exceed his draft position. Meanwhile, you have Dvorsky playing in the AHL as a teenager (not too many do) and put up the 2nd most pts of any U20 player in the league. Stenberg comes over and instantly fits in, also at age 19. And Lindstein being a solid contributor for a top tier SHL team. All 3 had really good seasons as did some of the other prospects as well. We don’t have a pending superstar but we have a lot of really talented prospects on the way and almost all of them took positive steps this season.

Others may say youre wasting time on a troll, and while I agree the trolls ain't worth it, the rest of us sure do appreciate the data you continue to add while you crush the argument.

At worst, we've been outpicking our draft slot on average throughout Army's tenure. So much so that he's even able to trade his misses for value (Faulk, Tarasenko). There's no objective way to conclude otherwise, just looking at the numbers.

As for the troll's argument that Army only talked about guys he acquired, who arent as important as his own picks, who obviously suck since he's not talking about them; Where would Dallas be without other team's castoffs? Seguin, Duchene, Rantanen? The entire Caps team is full of castaways. Same with Col, Vegas, and Winn. Obviously, acquiring players drafted by other teams is just as important a roster building strategy.

Army has never been one to talk up prospects before they get here. Thats part of being a veteran manager and knowing not to unreasonably raise expectations amd set kids up to fail (he does talk often about only putting kids in positions to succeed amd not asking too much of them).

He's easily a Top 5 GM coming off one of his best years. Bow down and kiss the ring, barbecue boy!

I appreciate that. As yes, I loose the data not just for him but for others to see as well. Drafting 17-18 yr olds is hard. A very inexact science. But the data for years has shown the Blues are better at it than most.

And agree about Army. I’ve had my issues with some of hks decisions in the previous few years but it’s pretty undeniable he’s had a good last year. In the last year he absolutely stole Broberg and Holloway, got a great longterm coach in Monty and then stole Fowler as well. The progression of draft picks move slowly but recent draftees Neighbours, Bolduc and Snuggerud all progressed very well. And most of the top prospects progressed well too. I wasn’t a big fan of a lot of the things Army did from 2021-2023 but he’s simply knocked it out of the park the last 12 months. Agree he’s pretty clearly among the best GMs in the business. I look forward to seeing how he can reshape the roster this summer. I liked that his main target is a “200 ft offensive player”. I interpret that as likely being a 2C caliber of player but we’ll see.

[a smell of green grass]

BluesTalk is lousy at providing analysis. I get timed out 9 out of 10 times, and then my content is lost. BluesTalk is the Kyrou of Talk forums. It can only do so much.

Summary:

Just consider what the team would look like right now if we only had our drafted players. Throw out Broberg, Holloway, and Fowler.

Colorado would have Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

No. Our scouting department is lousy, and any list that says otherwise is a worthless read.

Talk about an apples and oranges comparison, or cherry picking your data…..or any other fruit-related thing you can come up with!

So tell me, when did the Blues scouts have the luxury of the 2nd overall pick (Landeskog), 1st overall pick (MacKinnon), 10th overall pick (Rantanen), and 4th overall pick (Makar…who should have gone even higher if Philadelphia didn’t screw the pooch)

The 10th overall pick we used on Dvorsky is the highest pick we have had in years. Otherwise, the Blues have consistently picked in the 20’s. Given where the Blues have picked, they have done really well, and the 2023 draft looks like it could really be a home run.

Bingo, We have a winner here, folks. A man that GETS IT!!!!!! Finally, sanity enters the rooms like a spring breeze on the porch.

The idiots will only say that the Blues draft great, and look no further. There lips are too firmly attached to Army that they can't see DRAFT RESULTS.

Imagine that folks.... Colorado drafts better than us when they have picks 2, 1, 10, 4, and the Blues have a single 10.

So now that we've established the draft works when you have high picks, let take this one step further.

Next Question for those that can grasp reality and have a brain:
Does anyone remember Colorado TANKING? Does anyone remember Colorado not being a great team? Does anyone remember Colorado being a LOT WORSE than the Blues in regular season results?

[callitwhatyouwant]

BluesTalk is lousy at providing analysis. I get timed out 9 out of 10 times, and then my content is lost. BluesTalk is the Kyrou of Talk forums. It can only do so much.

Summary:

Just consider what the team would look like right now if we only had our drafted players. Throw out Broberg, Holloway, and Fowler.

Colorado would have Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

No. Our scouting department is lousy, and any list that says otherwise is a worthless read.

Talk about an apples and oranges comparison, or cherry picking your data…..or any other fruit-related thing you can come up with!

So tell me, when did the Blues scouts have the luxury of the 2nd overall pick (Landeskog), 1st overall pick (MacKinnon), 10th overall pick (Rantanen), and 4th overall pick (Makar…who should have gone even higher if Philadelphia didn’t screw the pooch)

The 10th overall pick we used on Dvorsky is the highest pick we have had in years. Otherwise, the Blues have consistently picked in the 20’s. Given where the Blues have picked, they have done really well, and the 2023 draft looks like it could really be a home run.

Bingo, We have a winner here, folks. A man that GETS IT!!!!!! Finally, sanity enters the rooms like a spring breeze on the porch.

The idiots will only say that the Blues draft great, and look no further. There lips are too firmly attached to Army that they can't see DRAFT RESULTS.

Imagine that folks.... Colorado drafts better than us when they have picks 2, 1, 10, 4, and the Blues have a single 10.

So now that we've established the draft works when you have high picks, let take this one step further.

Next Question for those that can grasp reality and have a brain:
Does anyone remember Colorado TANKING? Does anyone remember Colorado not being a great team? Does anyone remember Colorado being a LOT WORSE than the Blues in regular season results?

So the Blues have 1 Stanley Cup in the last 20 years, and the Avalanche have 1 Stanley cup in the last 20 years. The Avs get bounced in the first round. The Blues get bounced in the first round. Both giving up 3rd period 2 goal leads. And you come to the conclusion that the Avs are the superior team by a long shot? Blues also went 3-1 vs the Avs this year.

You can't make this stuff up. The goblin goo at it again. The best part about what is going on with the Blues, Snuggy yesterday said that joining the Blues was the best thing that ever happened to him. He loved all the culture was, he loved competing with the team. Vibes are at some of the highest point in a while, and we got goblin goo making stuff up.

[Harry S Deals]

The key takeaway for me was as most of us said Army is likely to shop for a C as Dvorsky cannot be penciled in to a top 9 Center spot till he earns it or shows hes ready for full time action. My guess is we see Dvorsky start again in the AHL and begin to dominate that league with a rather loaded Springfield roster while Army finds a short term C he can plug into either the 3rd or 4th center role. Not sure the Blues need anymore wingers it will already be a tough squad to make with Kaskimaki and others potentially pushing vets as soon as October

[a smell of green grass]

I liked that his main target is a “200 ft offensive player”. I interpret that as likely being a 2C caliber of player but we’ll see.

2023 was a great draft, the best in years. Didn't the Blues draft a couple of "200ft offensive players" in that beauty of a draft? Wasn't Dvorsky projected by the fans and Army to be our "missing 2C" about 1 minute after his name was called?

So you are hopeful that WITH A LATE PICK in the lousy draft of 2025, Army will find what he misfired on in 2023?

Yes, I agree that Army knocked it out of the park on Broberg and Holloway. However, that was a once-in-a-lifetime bank robbery. I want to see him draft a superstar, not steal one.

[a smell of green grass]

The key takeaway for me was as most of us said Army is likely to shop for a C as Dvorsky cannot be penciled in to a top 9 Center spot till he earns it or shows hes ready for full time action. My guess is we see Dvorsky start again in the AHL and begin to dominate that league with a rather loaded Springfield roster while Army finds a short term C he can plug into either the 3rd or 4th center role. Not sure the Blues need anymore wingers it will already be a tough squad to make with Kaskimaki and others potentially pushing vets as soon as October

Ok. Fair enough. I hope that you are right.

However, based on what I heard Army NOT SAY YESTERDAY, I'd guess that it is just as likely that Dvorsky leaves town on the Perunovich Express, love and kisses and all.

[Army's Mom]

BluesTalk is lousy at providing analysis. I get timed out 9 out of 10 times, and then my content is lost. BluesTalk is the Kyrou of Talk forums. It can only do so much.

Summary:

Just consider what the team would look like right now if we only had our drafted players. Throw out Broberg, Holloway, and Fowler.

Colorado would have Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

No. Our scouting department is lousy, and any list that says otherwise is a worthless read.

Talk about an apples and oranges comparison, or cherry picking your data…..or any other fruit-related thing you can come up with!

So tell me, when did the Blues scouts have the luxury of the 2nd overall pick (Landeskog), 1st overall pick (MacKinnon), 10th overall pick (Rantanen), and 4th overall pick (Makar…who should have gone even higher if Philadelphia didn’t screw the pooch)

The 10th overall pick we used on Dvorsky is the highest pick we have had in years. Otherwise, the Blues have consistently picked in the 20’s. Given where the Blues have picked, they have done really well, and the 2023 draft looks like it could really be a home run.

Bingo, We have a winner here, folks. A man that GETS IT!!!!!! Finally, sanity enters the rooms like a spring breeze on the porch.

The idiots will only say that the Blues draft great, and look no further. There lips are too firmly attached to Army that they can't see DRAFT RESULTS.

Imagine that folks.... Colorado drafts better than us when they have picks 2, 1, 10, 4, and the Blues have a single 10.

So now that we've established the draft works when you have high picks, let take this one step further.

Next Question for those that can grasp reality and have a brain:
Does anyone remember Colorado TANKING? Does anyone remember Colorado not being a great team? Does anyone remember Colorado being a LOT WORSE than the Blues in regular season results?

1. The Avs were awful for years, and St. Louis cannot sustain that level of sustained losing. Stan Kroenke can, and will, to get what he wants. He's a single owner with an ego willing to trade losses today for an ego boost tomorrow. Tom Stillman isn't. He has a consortium he answers to, and they require the Blues to remain competitive, so the team value continues to appreciate and their investment pays off.

You're basically arguing that GE should tank their stock for years so that they can attract new buyers.

2. For all Colorado's superior draft picks, they have exactly as many Cups during the Cap era as we do: 1. They lost in the 1st round this year and will be weaker next year and will have tough choices going forward as MacKinnon and Makar age. We're on the ascent. They may still be the better team the next year or two, they're definitely trending in opposite directions.

3. For every Colorado that turned superior draft slots into a winning roster, there's a Buffalo on a multi-rebuild playoff drought. For every Edmonton that used tanking to come close, there's a Detroit that whiffed on too many high picks. For every Ottawa that looks like they might finally turn the corner, there's a New Jersey that just can't get healthy despite finally having filled all their needs. Or a Vancouver that invests the farm in a mercurial all world talent who doesn't want to work. Or an Anaheim that inexplicably keeps Gibson both on the team and in the rumors, perennially incapable of making the most important decision of committing to a #1 goalie.

You haven't established anything, except that it's easier to get good players at the top of the draft. Duh.

That doesn't prove that it's the best way to build a team. Or the best way to guarantee wins. In that, you fail.

[sdaltons]

BluesTalk is lousy at providing analysis. I get timed out 9 out of 10 times, and then my content is lost. BluesTalk is the Kyrou of Talk forums. It can only do so much.

Summary:

Just consider what the team would look like right now if we only had our drafted players. Throw out Broberg, Holloway, and Fowler.

Colorado would have Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

No. Our scouting department is lousy, and any list that says otherwise is a worthless read.

Talk about an apples and oranges comparison, or cherry picking your data…..or any other fruit-related thing you can come up with!

So tell me, when did the Blues scouts have the luxury of the 2nd overall pick (Landeskog), 1st overall pick (MacKinnon), 10th overall pick (Rantanen), and 4th overall pick (Makar…who should have gone even higher if Philadelphia didn’t screw the pooch)

The 10th overall pick we used on Dvorsky is the highest pick we have had in years. Otherwise, the Blues have consistently picked in the 20’s. Given where the Blues have picked, they have done really well, and the 2023 draft looks like it could really be a home run.

Bingo, We have a winner here, folks. A man that GETS IT!!!!!! Finally, sanity enters the rooms like a spring breeze on the porch.

The idiots will only say that the Blues draft great, and look no further. There lips are too firmly attached to Army that they can't see DRAFT RESULTS.

Imagine that folks.... Colorado drafts better than us when they have picks 2, 1, 10, 4, and the Blues have a single 10.

So now that we've established the draft works when you have high picks, let take this one step further.

Next Question for those that can grasp reality and have a brain:
Does anyone remember Colorado TANKING? Does anyone remember Colorado not being a great team? Does anyone remember Colorado being a LOT WORSE than the Blues in regular season results?

Yep. Twice:

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/COL/2013.html
https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/COL/2017.html

Fun fact: they were easily last in 2017, but we're beaten by 3 teams in the draft lottery, causing them to *only* be able to draft Makar!

[STL fan in MN]

The key takeaway for me was as most of us said Army is likely to shop for a C as Dvorsky cannot be penciled in to a top 9 Center spot till he earns it or shows hes ready for full time action. My guess is we see Dvorsky start again in the AHL and begin to dominate that league with a rather loaded Springfield roster while Army finds a short term C he can plug into either the 3rd or 4th center role. Not sure the Blues need anymore wingers it will already be a tough squad to make with Kaskimaki and others potentially pushing vets as soon as October

Yep. That’s how I see it as well. And regarding Dvorsky, it’s best to not force him into a spot. Best to make him steal that spot. When Thomas was a teenager, the Blues acquired Schenn (same day we drafted Thomas actually) and then a year later we acquired ROR and Bozak. Did that block Thomas? Nope. Here he is, still our #1C. My preference is to keep Dvorsky at C but it also wouldn’t hurt him to break into the league as a winger, just like Thomas did. Wing requires less defensive responsibility, no faceoff responsibility and I’ll have to admit that Dvorsky looked particularly dangerous in the AHL playoffs where they moved him to LW to load the 1st line.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Just so everyone is clear. This is the last 10 years top 5 in wins in the west and top 5 in points pct in the west.

Wins
Jets - 5 overall
Avalanche - 8 overall
Blues - 9 overall
Starts - 10 overall
Wild 12 overall

Points Percentage (added this so Vegas could be included since they wont register on wins)
Vegas - 4 overall
Stars -8 overall
Blues - 10 overall
Wild - 11 overall
Jets - 12 overall


So not only are the Blues 3rd on both lists in the West over the last 10 years, they are doing that and back in the playoffs again. What Army has done is nothing short of historic. He will be in the Hall of Fame no questions asked.

Armstrong is 9th overall in wins by a GM. Only Ken Holland has a better win percentage than him in that group. The guy is one of the best. Can't contest it. And to even try proves how terrible of an understanding of sport/hockey you have.

[a smell of green grass]

BluesTalk is lousy at providing analysis. I get timed out 9 out of 10 times, and then my content is lost. BluesTalk is the Kyrou of Talk forums. It can only do so much.

Summary:

Just consider what the team would look like right now if we only had our drafted players. Throw out Broberg, Holloway, and Fowler.

Colorado would have Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

No. Our scouting department is lousy, and any list that says otherwise is a worthless read.

Talk about an apples and oranges comparison, or cherry picking your data…..or any other fruit-related thing you can come up with!

So tell me, when did the Blues scouts have the luxury of the 2nd overall pick (Landeskog), 1st overall pick (MacKinnon), 10th overall pick (Rantanen), and 4th overall pick (Makar…who should have gone even higher if Philadelphia didn’t screw the pooch)

The 10th overall pick we used on Dvorsky is the highest pick we have had in years. Otherwise, the Blues have consistently picked in the 20’s. Given where the Blues have picked, they have done really well, and the 2023 draft looks like it could really be a home run.

Bingo, We have a winner here, folks. A man that GETS IT!!!!!! Finally, sanity enters the rooms like a spring breeze on the porch.

The idiots will only say that the Blues draft great, and look no further. There lips are too firmly attached to Army that they can't see DRAFT RESULTS.

Imagine that folks.... Colorado drafts better than us when they have picks 2, 1, 10, 4, and the Blues have a single 10.

So now that we've established the draft works when you have high picks, let take this one step further.

Next Question for those that can grasp reality and have a brain:
Does anyone remember Colorado TANKING? Does anyone remember Colorado not being a great team? Does anyone remember Colorado being a LOT WORSE than the Blues in regular season results?

So the Blues have 1 Stanley Cup in the last 20 years, and the Avalanche have 1 Stanley cup in the last 20 years. The Avs get bounced in the first round. The Blues get bounced in the first round. Both giving up 3rd period 2 goal leads. And you come to the conclusion that the Avs are the superior team by a long shot? Blues also went 3-1 vs the Avs this year.

You can't make this stuff up. The goblin goo at it again. The best part about what is going on with the Blues, Snuggy yesterday said that joining the Blues was the best thing that ever happened to him. He loved all the culture was, he loved competing with the team. Vibes are at some of the highest point in a while, and we got goblin goo making stuff up.

In case you didn't notice, the AVs played the Stars, not the Hellebuycks.

[Frank Underwood]

BluesTalk is lousy at providing analysis. I get timed out 9 out of 10 times, and then my content is lost. BluesTalk is the Kyrou of Talk forums. It can only do so much.

Summary:

Just consider what the team would look like right now if we only had our drafted players. Throw out Broberg, Holloway, and Fowler.

Colorado would have Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

No. Our scouting department is lousy, and any list that says otherwise is a worthless read.

Talk about an apples and oranges comparison, or cherry picking your data…..or any other fruit-related thing you can come up with!

So tell me, when did the Blues scouts have the luxury of the 2nd overall pick (Landeskog), 1st overall pick (MacKinnon), 10th overall pick (Rantanen), and 4th overall pick (Makar…who should have gone even higher if Philadelphia didn’t screw the pooch)

The 10th overall pick we used on Dvorsky is the highest pick we have had in years. Otherwise, the Blues have consistently picked in the 20’s. Given where the Blues have picked, they have done really well, and the 2023 draft looks like it could really be a home run.

Bingo, We have a winner here, folks. A man that GETS IT!!!!!! Finally, sanity enters the rooms like a spring breeze on the porch.

The idiots will only say that the Blues draft great, and look no further. There lips are too firmly attached to Army that they can't see DRAFT RESULTS.

Imagine that folks.... Colorado drafts better than us when they have picks 2, 1, 10, 4, and the Blues have a single 10.

So now that we've established the draft works when you have high picks, let take this one step further.

Next Question for those that can grasp reality and have a brain:
Does anyone remember Colorado TANKING? Does anyone remember Colorado not being a great team? Does anyone remember Colorado being a LOT WORSE than the Blues in regular season results?

Uhhhhh…….let’s not pretend like I was agreeing with you in any way, shape, or form. You said the Blues scouts/drafting sucks and you cherry pick 4 guys from Colorado that went in the top of the draft. So you use my answer to try and justify your “tanking is good” belief. Trust me, I was NOT agreeing with anything you said.

[sdaltons]

Just so everyone is clear. This is the last 10 years top 5 in wins in the west and top 5 in points pct in the west.

Wins
Jets - 5 overall
Avalanche - 8 overall
Blues - 9 overall
Starts - 10 overall
Wild 12 overall

Points Percentage (added this so Vegas could be included since they wont register on wins)
Vegas - 4 overall
Stars -8 overall
Blues - 10 overall
Wild - 11 overall
Jets - 12 overall


So not only are the Blues 3rd on both lists in the West over the last 10 years, they are doing that and back in the playoffs again. What Army has done is nothing short of historic. He will be in the Hall of Fame no questions asked.

Armstrong is 9th overall in wins by a GM. Only Ken Holland has a better win percentage than him in that group. The guy is one of the best. Can't contest it. And to even try proves how terrible of an understanding of sport/hockey you have.

So what you are saying is despite not having the good fortune of drafting MacKinnon and Makar, Army's teams are right there with the Avs? In other words, he's done just as much with a lot less?