This team has a bunch of ~600 OPS hitters

[Futuregm2]

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It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

I only see two keepers in that group, the rest are just "meh" and that is starting to include the overrate, overhyped J. Walker.

His 550 OPS isn't doing much for the team. Does he go down in May?

You're basically kicking away any value he might have by sending him down, it would be his last option.

[11WSChamps]

You draft and develop a slugger, you trade for one or you buy one.

Hoping and praying for one isn't working.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

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Walker
Burley
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Siani
Baker
Winn.

It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

I only see two keepers in that group, the rest are just "meh" and that is starting to include the overrate, overhyped J. Walker.

His 550 OPS isn't doing much for the team. Does he go down in May?

You're basically kicking away any value he might have by sending him down, it would be his last option.

Maybe so just let them tank while he tries to figure it out.

[LCA1951]

Continually say that it is about how the lineup is constructed. All of the speed is blocked, Nootbaar is hitting well, but who drives him in? He should be driving in runs batting 3rd. It is at maximum, a 4-runs or less lineup

[renostl]

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Walker
Burley
Contrares
Siani
Baker
Winn.

It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

I only see two keepers in that group, the rest are just "meh" and that is starting to include the overrate, overhyped J. Walker.

His 550 OPS isn't doing much for the team. Does he go down in May?

I understand the frustration with JW.
What about this point in the season do we consider it giving him a long runway though.? I would platoon him until I see improvement in approach where he gets an majority of PT.

Siani is off the team. Baker fair point also is fair to call him number 26 and a RH pinch hitter. WC and MW trending up. Burleson I can agree with.

[rockondlouie]

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Walker
Burley
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Winn.

It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

I only see two keepers in that group, the rest are just "meh" and that is starting to include the overrate, overhyped J. Walker.

His 550 OPS isn't doing much for the team. Does he go down in May?

Since it appears they're going to stick with Oli even w/that horrible 2 - 12 road record I would keep him up here all season, play him and he either sinks or swims.

If he swims, great.

If he sinks, then Bloom would have to decide if he can ever become even an average hitter in MLB or does he cut the cord and move on?

[nighthawk]

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It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

They ain’t filling up an ALL-Star roster that’s for sure. MO’s system sure could produce mediocrity in bunches

That's what scary about a "rebuild". We don't have enough hitting talent in our system to fill a roster, not much to be developed left in the minors, and not nearly as much "trade bait" as posters pretend we have.

We aren't getting a Hunter Greene or Bobby Witt level prospect for Helsley or Gray or Nado or even all of them combined. Not even someone half that good. We have too many Jags and trading vets will just us more Jags, UNLESS we take on some salary.

The teams OPS is now 10th overall and sharply trending downward.

Besides Noot 835, Donovan 910, Nado 781 who's a good hitter on this team? That's 3 guys.

Scott is functional at 697

But then you have Conteras 602, Gorman 661 (SSS) so he gets a pass I guess, Walker 550, Pages 633, Winn 619

Nothing about that says good offense.

Well now they are tied for seventh in OPS. I wish someone knew what it should be.

[jcgmoi]

I knew. Told you too, in this very thread.

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Walker
Burley
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Siani
Baker
Winn.

It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

They ain’t filling up an ALL-Star roster that’s for sure. MO’s system sure could produce mediocrity in bunches

That's what scary about a "rebuild". We don't have enough hitting talent in our system to fill a roster, not much to be developed left in the minors, and not nearly as much "trade bait" as posters pretend we have.

We aren't getting a Hunter Greene or Bobby Witt level prospect for Helsley or Gray or Nado or even all of them combined. Not even someone half that good. We have too many Jags and trading vets will just us more Jags, UNLESS we take on some salary.

The teams OPS is now 10th overall and sharply trending downward.

Besides Noot 835, Donovan 910, Nado 781 who's a good hitter on this team? That's 3 guys.

Scott is functional at 697

But then you have Conteras 602, Gorman 661 (SSS) so he gets a pass I guess, Walker 550, Pages 633, Winn 619

Nothing about that says good offense.

Well now they are tied for seventh in OPS. I wish someone knew what it should be.

The two games today were clear outliers until they prove they can sustain some level of competent offense. And 9 of the runs came against some nobody pitcher with no runs scored after that.

[nighthawk]

Pages
Walker
Burley
Contrares
Siani
Baker
Winn.

It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

They ain’t filling up an ALL-Star roster that’s for sure. MO’s system sure could produce mediocrity in bunches

That's what scary about a "rebuild". We don't have enough hitting talent in our system to fill a roster, not much to be developed left in the minors, and not nearly as much "trade bait" as posters pretend we have.

We aren't getting a Hunter Greene or Bobby Witt level prospect for Helsley or Gray or Nado or even all of them combined. Not even someone half that good. We have too many Jags and trading vets will just us more Jags, UNLESS we take on some salary.

The teams OPS is now 10th overall and sharply trending downward.

Besides Noot 835, Donovan 910, Nado 781 who's a good hitter on this team? That's 3 guys.

Scott is functional at 697

But then you have Conteras 602, Gorman 661 (SSS) so he gets a pass I guess, Walker 550, Pages 633, Winn 619

Nothing about that says good offense.

Well now they are tied for seventh in OPS. I wish someone knew what it should be.

The two games today were clear outliers until they prove they can sustain some level of competent offense. And 9 of the runs came against some nobody pitcher with no runs scored after that.

Oh, I know. But isn't any game that raises the collective OPS an outlier? By my count, they've had 15 such "outlier" games so far this season.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

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Walker
Burley
Contrares
Siani
Baker
Winn.

It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

They ain’t filling up an ALL-Star roster that’s for sure. MO’s system sure could produce mediocrity in bunches

That's what scary about a "rebuild". We don't have enough hitting talent in our system to fill a roster, not much to be developed left in the minors, and not nearly as much "trade bait" as posters pretend we have.

We aren't getting a Hunter Greene or Bobby Witt level prospect for Helsley or Gray or Nado or even all of them combined. Not even someone half that good. We have too many Jags and trading vets will just us more Jags, UNLESS we take on some salary.

The teams OPS is now 10th overall and sharply trending downward.

Besides Noot 835, Donovan 910, Nado 781 who's a good hitter on this team? That's 3 guys.

Scott is functional at 697

But then you have Conteras 602, Gorman 661 (SSS) so he gets a pass I guess, Walker 550, Pages 633, Winn 619

Nothing about that says good offense.

Well now they are tied for seventh in OPS. I wish someone knew what it should be.

They are 8th at 738 and you are still missing the point. This team at the time had way too many players who were hovering in the 600s. As of late several of the primary players have picked it up, Pages was nearing the 500's is now at 666 and Winn and Scott have surged and pushed themselves into the 700s.

They went on a heater yesterday in the double header (which was great to see), let's see if they can keep it up and sustain some offense.

What's scary at this point is the top 3 players in OPS on this team.

Hererra Hurt at 1506 OPS
Pozo 881 OPS more PA's than Hererra but still a small sample size
Saggese who has the most games and PA's out of the 3 and he was sent down at 876 OPS

If you look at the last 14 they were 22nd on OPS, last 7 they are 10th.

It's really not that hard, this is basics man.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

You draft and develop a slugger, you trade for one or you buy one.

Hoping and praying for one isn't working.

I complete agree with this. If this team had a functioning DH this offense would be so much better.

Last 7 the DH was ranked 16 (Not good)
Last 14 the DH was ranked 18
Last 30th

Let's hope this trend continues to go north and at aggregate the DH becomes an effective offensive position for them moving forwards. I have my doubts.....

[nighthawk]

Pages
Walker
Burley
Contrares
Siani
Baker
Winn.

It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

They ain’t filling up an ALL-Star roster that’s for sure. MO’s system sure could produce mediocrity in bunches

That's what scary about a "rebuild". We don't have enough hitting talent in our system to fill a roster, not much to be developed left in the minors, and not nearly as much "trade bait" as posters pretend we have.

We aren't getting a Hunter Greene or Bobby Witt level prospect for Helsley or Gray or Nado or even all of them combined. Not even someone half that good. We have too many Jags and trading vets will just us more Jags, UNLESS we take on some salary.

The teams OPS is now 10th overall and sharply trending downward.

Besides Noot 835, Donovan 910, Nado 781 who's a good hitter on this team? That's 3 guys.

Scott is functional at 697

But then you have Conteras 602, Gorman 661 (SSS) so he gets a pass I guess, Walker 550, Pages 633, Winn 619

Nothing about that says good offense.

Well now they are tied for seventh in OPS. I wish someone knew what it should be.

They are 8th at 738 and you are still missing the point. This team at the time had way too many players who were hovering in the 600s. As of late several of the primary players have picked it up, Pages was nearing the 500's is now at 666 and Winn and Scott have surged and pushed themselves into the 700s.

They went on a heater yesterday in the double header (which was great to see), let's see if they can keep it up and sustain some offense.

What's scary at this point is the top 3 players in OPS on this team.

Hererra Hurt at 1506 OPS
Pozo 881 OPS more PA's than Hererra but still a small sample size
Saggese who has the most games and PA's out of the 3 and he was sent down at 876 OPS

If you look at the last 14 they were 22nd on OPS, last 7 they are 10th.

It's really not that hard, this is basics man.

Yes, missing the point. Again, where should they rank after one month??

[JDW]

Currently the Cards OPS:
Herrera 1.506
Pozo .881
Saggese .876
Donovan .870
Noot .839
Winn .770
Arenado .747
VS2 .743
Contreras .642 and trending up
5 players with +.600's

Last year:
Contreras .842
Herrera .800
6 players with +.700's.

It's early, but I'm encouraged to see such improvement year to year in a ... reset year or whatever the Cards are in.

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Walker
Burley
Contrares
Siani
Baker
Winn.

It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

They ain’t filling up an ALL-Star roster that’s for sure. MO’s system sure could produce mediocrity in bunches

That's what scary about a "rebuild". We don't have enough hitting talent in our system to fill a roster, not much to be developed left in the minors, and not nearly as much "trade bait" as posters pretend we have.

We aren't getting a Hunter Greene or Bobby Witt level prospect for Helsley or Gray or Nado or even all of them combined. Not even someone half that good. We have too many Jags and trading vets will just us more Jags, UNLESS we take on some salary.

The teams OPS is now 10th overall and sharply trending downward.

Besides Noot 835, Donovan 910, Nado 781 who's a good hitter on this team? That's 3 guys.

Scott is functional at 697

But then you have Conteras 602, Gorman 661 (SSS) so he gets a pass I guess, Walker 550, Pages 633, Winn 619

Nothing about that says good offense.

Well now they are tied for seventh in OPS. I wish someone knew what it should be.

They are 8th at 738 and you are still missing the point. This team at the time had way too many players who were hovering in the 600s. As of late several of the primary players have picked it up, Pages was nearing the 500's is now at 666 and Winn and Scott have surged and pushed themselves into the 700s.

They went on a heater yesterday in the double header (which was great to see), let's see if they can keep it up and sustain some offense.

What's scary at this point is the top 3 players in OPS on this team.

Hererra Hurt at 1506 OPS
Pozo 881 OPS more PA's than Hererra but still a small sample size
Saggese who has the most games and PA's out of the 3 and he was sent down at 876 OPS

If you look at the last 14 they were 22nd on OPS, last 7 they are 10th.

It's really not that hard, this is basics man.

And outliers like the two games yesterday inflate statistics based on averages. He knows that. Two games don't negate all the games the Cardinals have struggled to score since the first 9 games. The Cardinals still have to prove they can sustain competent offense.

[Futuregm2]

Pages
Walker
Burley
Contrares
Siani
Baker
Winn.

It seems like most of this team is sub 700….

They ain’t filling up an ALL-Star roster that’s for sure. MO’s system sure could produce mediocrity in bunches

That's what scary about a "rebuild". We don't have enough hitting talent in our system to fill a roster, not much to be developed left in the minors, and not nearly as much "trade bait" as posters pretend we have.

We aren't getting a Hunter Greene or Bobby Witt level prospect for Helsley or Gray or Nado or even all of them combined. Not even someone half that good. We have too many Jags and trading vets will just us more Jags, UNLESS we take on some salary.

The teams OPS is now 10th overall and sharply trending downward.

Besides Noot 835, Donovan 910, Nado 781 who's a good hitter on this team? That's 3 guys.

Scott is functional at 697

But then you have Conteras 602, Gorman 661 (SSS) so he gets a pass I guess, Walker 550, Pages 633, Winn 619

Nothing about that says good offense.

Well now they are tied for seventh in OPS. I wish someone knew what it should be.

They are 8th at 738 and you are still missing the point. This team at the time had way too many players who were hovering in the 600s. As of late several of the primary players have picked it up, Pages was nearing the 500's is now at 666 and Winn and Scott have surged and pushed themselves into the 700s.

They went on a heater yesterday in the double header (which was great to see), let's see if they can keep it up and sustain some offense.

What's scary at this point is the top 3 players in OPS on this team.

Hererra Hurt at 1506 OPS
Pozo 881 OPS more PA's than Hererra but still a small sample size
Saggese who has the most games and PA's out of the 3 and he was sent down at 876 OPS

If you look at the last 14 they were 22nd on OPS, last 7 they are 10th.

It's really not that hard, this is basics man.

So they’ve gotten better over the last 7, right? They had a tough stretch of pitching in Skenes/Keller to end the Pirates series, then 3 aces in Philly, faced Houston’s 2 best, NYM, and Atlanta, etc. And they went part of that stretch without Winn and all of it without Herrera. We’ll see if they can sustain this, but getting Winn back was huge and getting Herrera back will be even bigger. Winn has been great over his last 62 PA. Contreras is heating up and I hope they keep him in the middle of the order. Noot/Donovan have been consistent, VS2 has looked good. Arenado has gone down a bit, but hopefully he can heat back up, too.