Orioles SP

[Talkin' Baseball]

The Ravens, pardon Orioles, surrendered three TDs and a FG to the Bengals today.

That was a fugly display.

Charlie Morton got through the first two innings with a single run allowed but in the third it went homer, single, walk, single, single, K (!), a Morton error on a pickoff attempt, a final single, adios Charlie.

I hope when we face the Orioles we get a Charlie and Miles matchup

[JohnTudor1985]

Orioles are tied with the Rockies for highest team ERA this year. The Rockies!

[Melville]

If the cardinals are smart they call Baltimore. Surplus of top prospect hitters and no pitching. A competent GM would obtain a legit MOTO bat like Mayo for Fedde. This is NOT a WS contender. The smart move is to add to the youth and specifically a MOTO power bat. Then bring up the young SP to get experience

Orioles have 5 of their 6 projected starting pitchers on the IL.
Yes - they should add one or two, and STL can accommodate that.
Matz and Mikolas are the obvious choices.

They are trying to win now. They have zero interest in those guys. Like I said Gray and Helsley for Mayo or Kjerted. Add the needed MOTO bat

Gray earns 25M this year and 35M next.
The O's won't touch that.
Plus, Gray won't go.
The O's need arms until some of theirs return.
Matz would help in the rotation now and could move him to the BP later if needed.
Much better fit than Gray.
Mikolas works as a 2nd arm - if STL would eat some money.

[Banner29]

Honestly this has been the thing I’m most excited for. Matz helsley maton even Nado are keeping up their trade stock. I’d package them with some of our redundant pieces. Donovan is killing it and he’d be great if we were near ready as a dominant utility guy but I’d think about dangling him with Winn Wetherholt and not playing his positions.

Problem is, I want zero of Mo's fingerprints on any trades. Ever.

I don’t want MO’s fingerprints on ANYTHING regarding the Cardinals. He’s got the Reverse Midas Touch.

Unless it’s the exit door

[Youboughtit]

If the cardinals are smart they call Baltimore. Surplus of top prospect hitters and no pitching. A competent GM would obtain a legit MOTO bat like Mayo for Fedde. This is NOT a WS contender. The smart move is to add to the youth and specifically a MOTO power bat. Then bring up the young SP to get experience

Orioles have 5 of their 6 projected starting pitchers on the IL.
Yes - they should add one or two, and STL can accommodate that.
Matz and Mikolas are the obvious choices.

They are trying to win now. They have zero interest in those guys. Like I said Gray and Helsley for Mayo or Kjerted. Add the needed MOTO bat

Gray earns 25M this year and 35M next.
The O's won't touch that.
Plus, Gray won't go.
The O's need arms until some of theirs return.
Matz would help in the rotation now and could move him to the BP later if needed.
Much better fit than Gray.
Mikolas works as a 2nd arm - if STL would eat some money.

Their only good arm is Rodruigez and he is now done for season. They are going to get a ACE from someone for one of those 2 trade chips

[AZ_Cardsfan]

If both Fedde and Helsley bring back Mayo I am thrilled.

[Carp4Cy]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.

they've already shown they have the talent to hit big, pitch well and win at home. Sometimes the process of putting it altogether happens during a season, or when a manager is suddenly replaced...

I disagree on the hot big. They get a lot of baserunners but it doesn’t translate to runs often enough. They need thunder in the MOTO. I like the team offense except corner OF or Corner IF power is lacking. They need a 30-40Hr 100RBI guy

I don’t disagree. I just don’t think trading a badly needed pitcher Will a. Get us that guy, b. Make us enough better to move the needle.

I feel like we probably need Fedde and Helsley in 2026 and beyond plus we need to spend hard cash not talent on a 100 RBI guy. Or at worst trade surplus JAGs like Austin Gomber for a big contract salary relief Arenado type. That’s how we get better.

Trading Helsley or Nado at the deadline for JAG ceiling prospects just because that’s what the iPad says to do isn’t the path back to the playoffs.

Spending will NOT happen. Helsley will not be re signed. This is not a WS contender. They have no superstars. They need to find a way to trade assets for a future superstar to build the role players around. Plenty of role players to choose from. They need a cornerstone

We aren’t getting a gunner Henderson or even a young Soto by trading pending free agents. That’s not how it works anymore. We either have to spend in free agency or trade for someone for with a contract that’s larger than their team wants to afford to get that superstar.

We’ve already let Goldschmidt and Lynn and Gibson and Kitridge go, so it’s not like there isn’t dry powder available. But not spending will permanently reduced the budget because it will eventually alienate the season-ticket holders. That would be an unforced error of massive proportions

Gray and Helsley for Mayo or Kjerstd could happen

At age 26 Is Kjerst really better than Nootbaar?

Also Gray has a NTC and doesn't want to leave. He's going nowhere.

[ilcubuffs]

Unless somehow or someway Bloom has major influence on trades, it would be left up to MO Ran. You really want him to do anything with acquiring players??

[Youboughtit]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.

they've already shown they have the talent to hit big, pitch well and win at home. Sometimes the process of putting it altogether happens during a season, or when a manager is suddenly replaced...

I disagree on the hot big. They get a lot of baserunners but it doesn’t translate to runs often enough. They need thunder in the MOTO. I like the team offense except corner OF or Corner IF power is lacking. They need a 30-40Hr 100RBI guy

I don’t disagree. I just don’t think trading a badly needed pitcher Will a. Get us that guy, b. Make us enough better to move the needle.

I feel like we probably need Fedde and Helsley in 2026 and beyond plus we need to spend hard cash not talent on a 100 RBI guy. Or at worst trade surplus JAGs like Austin Gomber for a big contract salary relief Arenado type. That’s how we get better.

Trading Helsley or Nado at the deadline for JAG ceiling prospects just because that’s what the iPad says to do isn’t the path back to the playoffs.

Spending will NOT happen. Helsley will not be re signed. This is not a WS contender. They have no superstars. They need to find a way to trade assets for a future superstar to build the role players around. Plenty of role players to choose from. They need a cornerstone

We aren’t getting a gunner Henderson or even a young Soto by trading pending free agents. That’s not how it works anymore. We either have to spend in free agency or trade for someone for with a contract that’s larger than their team wants to afford to get that superstar.

We’ve already let Goldschmidt and Lynn and Gibson and Kitridge go, so it’s not like there isn’t dry powder available. But not spending will permanently reduced the budget because it will eventually alienate the season-ticket holders. That would be an unforced error of massive proportions

Gray and Helsley for Mayo or Kjerstd could happen

At age 26 Is Kjerst really better than Nootbaar?

Also Gray has a NTC and doesn't want to leave. He's going nowhere.

He would go to a legit contender.

[Youboughtit]

Unless somehow or someway Bloom has major influence on trades, it would be left up to MO Ran. You really want him to do anything with acquiring players??

Well based on the youth movement was the way to go when the farm has been ranked 23-25 for last 5 years I have no faith anyone can judge talent. Even the fans know there are no all star caliber young players in the organization and definatly no future HOFers to anchor a rebuild. Rebuilds need a cornerstone. A Pujols

[Carp4Cy]

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.

they've already shown they have the talent to hit big, pitch well and win at home. Sometimes the process of putting it altogether happens during a season, or when a manager is suddenly replaced...

I disagree on the hot big. They get a lot of baserunners but it doesn’t translate to runs often enough. They need thunder in the MOTO. I like the team offense except corner OF or Corner IF power is lacking. They need a 30-40Hr 100RBI guy

I don’t disagree. I just don’t think trading a badly needed pitcher Will a. Get us that guy, b. Make us enough better to move the needle.

I feel like we probably need Fedde and Helsley in 2026 and beyond plus we need to spend hard cash not talent on a 100 RBI guy. Or at worst trade surplus JAGs like Austin Gomber for a big contract salary relief Arenado type. That’s how we get better.

Trading Helsley or Nado at the deadline for JAG ceiling prospects just because that’s what the iPad says to do isn’t the path back to the playoffs.

Spending will NOT happen. Helsley will not be re signed. This is not a WS contender. They have no superstars. They need to find a way to trade assets for a future superstar to build the role players around. Plenty of role players to choose from. They need a cornerstone

We aren’t getting a gunner Henderson or even a young Soto by trading pending free agents. That’s not how it works anymore. We either have to spend in free agency or trade for someone for with a contract that’s larger than their team wants to afford to get that superstar.

We’ve already let Goldschmidt and Lynn and Gibson and Kitridge go, so it’s not like there isn’t dry powder available. But not spending will permanently reduced the budget because it will eventually alienate the season-ticket holders. That would be an unforced error of massive proportions

Gray and Helsley for Mayo or Kjerstd could happen

At age 26 Is Kjerst really better than Nootbaar?

Also Gray has a NTC and doesn't want to leave. He's going nowhere.

He would go to a legit contender.

The Orioles are in last place

[Youboughtit]

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.

they've already shown they have the talent to hit big, pitch well and win at home. Sometimes the process of putting it altogether happens during a season, or when a manager is suddenly replaced...

I disagree on the hot big. They get a lot of baserunners but it doesn’t translate to runs often enough. They need thunder in the MOTO. I like the team offense except corner OF or Corner IF power is lacking. They need a 30-40Hr 100RBI guy

I don’t disagree. I just don’t think trading a badly needed pitcher Will a. Get us that guy, b. Make us enough better to move the needle.

I feel like we probably need Fedde and Helsley in 2026 and beyond plus we need to spend hard cash not talent on a 100 RBI guy. Or at worst trade surplus JAGs like Austin Gomber for a big contract salary relief Arenado type. That’s how we get better.

Trading Helsley or Nado at the deadline for JAG ceiling prospects just because that’s what the iPad says to do isn’t the path back to the playoffs.

Spending will NOT happen. Helsley will not be re signed. This is not a WS contender. They have no superstars. They need to find a way to trade assets for a future superstar to build the role players around. Plenty of role players to choose from. They need a cornerstone

We aren’t getting a gunner Henderson or even a young Soto by trading pending free agents. That’s not how it works anymore. We either have to spend in free agency or trade for someone for with a contract that’s larger than their team wants to afford to get that superstar.

We’ve already let Goldschmidt and Lynn and Gibson and Kitridge go, so it’s not like there isn’t dry powder available. But not spending will permanently reduced the budget because it will eventually alienate the season-ticket holders. That would be an unforced error of massive proportions

Gray and Helsley for Mayo or Kjerstd could happen

At age 26 Is Kjerst really better than Nootbaar?

Also Gray has a NTC and doesn't want to leave. He's going nowhere.

He would go to a legit contender.

The Orioles are in last place

Because of SP and their top 5 are on IL and 4 will be back. Add Gray and they are a contender. Do you watch baseball?

[makesnosense]

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.

they've already shown they have the talent to hit big, pitch well and win at home. Sometimes the process of putting it altogether happens during a season, or when a manager is suddenly replaced...

I disagree on the hot big. They get a lot of baserunners but it doesn’t translate to runs often enough. They need thunder in the MOTO. I like the team offense except corner OF or Corner IF power is lacking. They need a 30-40Hr 100RBI guy

I don’t disagree. I just don’t think trading a badly needed pitcher Will a. Get us that guy, b. Make us enough better to move the needle.

I feel like we probably need Fedde and Helsley in 2026 and beyond plus we need to spend hard cash not talent on a 100 RBI guy. Or at worst trade surplus JAGs like Austin Gomber for a big contract salary relief Arenado type. That’s how we get better.

Trading Helsley or Nado at the deadline for JAG ceiling prospects just because that’s what the iPad says to do isn’t the path back to the playoffs.

Spending will NOT happen. Helsley will not be re signed. This is not a WS contender. They have no superstars. They need to find a way to trade assets for a future superstar to build the role players around. Plenty of role players to choose from. They need a cornerstone

We aren’t getting a gunner Henderson or even a young Soto by trading pending free agents. That’s not how it works anymore. We either have to spend in free agency or trade for someone for with a contract that’s larger than their team wants to afford to get that superstar.

We’ve already let Goldschmidt and Lynn and Gibson and Kitridge go, so it’s not like there isn’t dry powder available. But not spending will permanently reduced the budget because it will eventually alienate the season-ticket holders. That would be an unforced error of massive proportions

Gray and Helsley for Mayo or Kjerstd could happen

At age 26 Is Kjerst really better than Nootbaar?

Also Gray has a NTC and doesn't want to leave. He's going nowhere.

He would go to a legit contender.

The Orioles are in last place

Because of SP and their top 5 are on IL and 4 will be back. Add Gray and they are a contender. Do you watch baseball?

One pitcher doesn’t change a thing. And the four you say will be back may or may not come back fully healthy this year. So last place is where they are and could be all year.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

100%?

[ScotchMIrish]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

Liberatore was rushed. Now that he is finally looking like he will will live up to expectations you want to trade him for a prospect?

[illiniriles]

Back in the 70s, the Orioles had a World series team with 4 20 game winning starters. Palmer, Quellar (sp?) Dobson, and McNally. At least I think it was the 70's. I was a little kid. Can you imagine that? FOUR 20 game winners! Now, you can't get one. And a complete game is going the way of the dodo bird. Better game back in the day.
I'm right. The world is wrong.