Orioles SP

[Youboughtit]

If the cardinals are smart they call Baltimore. Surplus of top prospect hitters and no pitching. A competent GM would obtain a legit MOTO bat like Mayo for Fedde. This is NOT a WS contender. The smart move is to add to the youth and specifically a MOTO power bat. Then bring up the young SP to get experience

[tyoung12290]

Honestly this has been the thing I’m most excited for. Matz helsley maton even Nado are keeping up their trade stock. I’d package them with some of our redundant pieces. Donovan is killing it and he’d be great if we were near ready as a dominant utility guy but I’d think about dangling him with Winn Wetherholt and not playing his positions.

[Ron Gant's Bicep]

Honestly this has been the thing I’m most excited for. Matz helsley maton even Nado are keeping up their trade stock. I’d package them with some of our redundant pieces. Donovan is killing it and he’d be great if we were near ready as a dominant utility guy but I’d think about dangling him with Winn Wetherholt and not playing his positions.

I understand the allure of trading Donovan but unless this is a strip down and rebuild we’re going to need solid experienced players and he’s under control for a few more years. Unless we get blown away by an offer, I’d hold onto him but wouldn’t hesitate to trade Nado, Matz, or Helsley for the right offer.

[Carp4Cy]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

[Youboughtit]

Honestly this has been the thing I’m most excited for. Matz helsley maton even Nado are keeping up their trade stock. I’d package them with some of our redundant pieces. Donovan is killing it and he’d be great if we were near ready as a dominant utility guy but I’d think about dangling him with Winn Wetherholt and not playing his positions.

I understand the allure of trading Donovan but unless this is a strip down and rebuild we’re going to need solid experienced players and he’s under control for a few more years. Unless we get blown away by an offer, I’d hold onto him but wouldn’t hesitate to trade Nado, Matz, or Helsley for the right offer.

Orioles have 3 guys in AAA with nowhere to play. Donovan would not be a fit there.

[Cardinals4Life]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

[Youboughtit]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

[2ninr]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

[kyace]

Cards have to decide what the time line to compete is going to be. Is it next year or 2027 or later?
With the latest injuries to our top minors pitching that may be later now. If that is the case then Donovan and Nootbar become trade chips also.
The worse case scenario to me would be the one Katie Woo said. She was asked what the Cards would do if at or near the trade deadline they were within 4 to 5 games of a playoff spot. She said the Cards would hold onto their existing players and make a small addition like a bullpen arm.
In that case Cards most likely may offer a QO to Helsley but maybe not and Fedde and Maton walk with no return.

[Carp4Cy]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.

[Carp4Cy]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.

they've already shown they have the talent to hit big, pitch well and win at home. Sometimes the process of putting it altogether happens during a season, or when a manager is suddenly replaced...

[Youboughtit]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.

they've already shown they have the talent to hit big, pitch well and win at home. Sometimes the process of putting it altogether happens during a season, or when a manager is suddenly replaced...

I disagree on the hot big. They get a lot of baserunners but it doesn’t translate to runs often enough. They need thunder in the MOTO. I like the team offense except corner OF or Corner IF power is lacking. They need a 30-40Hr 100RBI guy

[hugeCardfan]

For Helsley to remain relevant to the Cardinals, they have to fix the pen very soon. Otherwise the sell off begins. If fixed then I like the odds of extending Helsley and maybe even Fedde. We aren’t whole in ‘26 or ‘27 without some continuity.

[Cardinalologist]

if this is a full blown rebuilt which it should be, Gray is our biggest chip. I would try to get a haul of prospects for him. Also trade Nado, Fedde, Matz, and Helsey

[Talkin' Baseball]

if this is a full blown rebuilt which it should be, Gray is our biggest chip. I would try to get a haul of prospects for him. Also trade Nado, Fedde, Matz, and Helsey

A full rebuild isn't necessary. While not ready for prime time, there are several good pieces on the team to work with. They have several key moves to make in the next 3 months. If they do a good job with that there is no reason they couldn't be competitive sustainably. If they will sort out the roster while also moving veterans, they can get a good return for that. There are players here teams will want. The best window to do that is this summer- not next offseason, or next year. If they wait past this deadline they will miss the moment.

[2ninr]

Libby has been our best pitcher. Should we trade him for a 19 yo hitting prospect since he's already burned 2-3 of his pre-arb years?

No.

The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP

100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.

If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.

I would be thrilled. And shocked.