This is on Manager

[WLTFE]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Just curious…..who was writing in WC at #2 in batting order this last month? Who thinks Burly is a DH??
The point of suiting up a MLB team is to win games!!!
Not play a washed up pitcher because you signed him to a BAD contract
Not to kiss a vets (bleep) and worry about moving him down in order when he can’t hit
Not to take out SP too early and leave others in too long
WIN THE GAME….there’s no moral victory in MLB…..there are fans who stay home because they’re tired of paying for and watching idiot losers

FWIW, the paying fans at Busch are seeing wins - 8-4 at home. They aren't seeing this version of the team when they buy a ticket.

But we absolutely do need to win some road games to stay in contention.

You're right...I'm part of a season tix group in Section 148 ..not a lot of fans so far...but they are a different team at home...

[JuanAgosto]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Just curious…..who was writing in WC at #2 in batting order this last month? Who thinks Burly is a DH??
The point of suiting up a MLB team is to win games!!!
Not play a washed up pitcher because you signed him to a BAD contract
Not to kiss a vets (bleep) and worry about moving him down in order when he can’t hit
Not to take out SP too early and leave others in too long
WIN THE GAME….there’s no moral victory in MLB…..there are fans who stay home because they’re tired of paying for and watching idiot losers

Simple question, Goldfan. Is it ever the players’ fault?

Absolutely
Miles Suck……so manager doesn’t start him
WC couldn’t hit…..so manager drop to bottom of order
Fernandez has been tattooed…..so manager doesn’t pitch him in a tied game in 9th inning
Burly is non-productive and has no position….so manager doesn’t play him
You see how that works…..this attitude that “stuff happens” gives us a below .500 team and continues to cough up winnable games.

Well said GoldFan.
Marmol doesn't know how to manage and it becomes noticeable in close games. Sure players have to play, but managers have to use guys appropriately and put them in spots to be successful. Marmol has failed in that regard, bigtime!

lol. Torre was bashed on CT. Whitey was bashed on CT. Tony was bashed on CT. Matheny was bashed on CT. Shildt was bashed on CT. Now it’s Oli’s turn.
What’s new?

Whitey resigned 5 years before the internet went mainstream.

[WLTFE]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Just curious…..who was writing in WC at #2 in batting order this last month? Who thinks Burly is a DH??
The point of suiting up a MLB team is to win games!!!
Not play a washed up pitcher because you signed him to a BAD contract
Not to kiss a vets (bleep) and worry about moving him down in order when he can’t hit
Not to take out SP too early and leave others in too long
WIN THE GAME….there’s no moral victory in MLB…..there are fans who stay home because they’re tired of paying for and watching idiot losers

Simple question, Goldfan. Is it ever the players’ fault?

Absolutely
Miles Suck……so manager doesn’t start him
WC couldn’t hit…..so manager drop to bottom of order
Fernandez has been tattooed…..so manager doesn’t pitch him in a tied game in 9th inning
Burly is non-productive and has no position….so manager doesn’t play him
You see how that works…..this attitude that “stuff happens” gives us a below .500 team and continues to cough up winnable games.

Well said GoldFan.
Marmol doesn't know how to manage and it becomes noticeable in close games. Sure players have to play, but managers have to use guys appropriately and put them in spots to be successful. Marmol has failed in that regard, bigtime!

lol. Torre was bashed on CT. Whitey was bashed on CT. Tony was bashed on CT. Matheny was bashed on CT. Shildt was bashed on CT. Now it’s Oli’s turn.
What’s new?

Whitey resigned 5 years before the internet went mainstream.

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[WeeVikes]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

I was a football player and coach and did not play baseball above Little League, so this is an honest question — what should be done differently on the road than what is being done now? I wouldn’t think they’d change their game prep process, so I legitimately don’t know what you’re seeing, or not seeing.

Thank you.

[Monsieur De Treville]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Whom exactly is making the decision to keep batting the hapless Burly 5th? Who decided to let Burly hit against a lefty with the game on the line?

Of course it's The Manager's fault.

[Monsieur De Treville]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Just curious…..who was writing in WC at #2 in batting order this last month? Who thinks Burly is a DH??
The point of suiting up a MLB team is to win games!!!
Not play a washed up pitcher because you signed him to a BAD contract
Not to kiss a vets (bleep) and worry about moving him down in order when he can’t hit
Not to take out SP too early and leave others in too long
WIN THE GAME….there’s no moral victory in MLB…..there are fans who stay home because they’re tired of paying for and watching idiot losers

Simple question, Goldfan. Is it ever the players’ fault?

Absolutely
Miles Suck……so manager doesn’t start him
WC couldn’t hit…..so manager drop to bottom of order
Fernandez has been tattooed…..so manager doesn’t pitch him in a tied game in 9th inning
Burly is non-productive and has no position….so manager doesn’t play him
You see how that works…..this attitude that “stuff happens” gives us a below .500 team and continues to cough up winnable games.

Well said GoldFan.
Marmol doesn't know how to manage and it becomes noticeable in close games. Sure players have to play, but managers have to use guys appropriately and put them in spots to be successful. Marmol has failed in that regard, bigtime!

lol. Torre was bashed on CT. Whitey was bashed on CT. Tony was bashed on CT. Matheny was bashed on CT. Shildt was bashed on CT. Now it’s Oli’s turn.
What’s new?

I don't regularly bash Oli. But he is incompetent. And there is absolutely no way that Bloom retains him. No way. He will want his own guy.

So, defend him if you must...after all...he's going to be gone in 6 months (at the latest).

[Bob Kunush]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Whom exactly is making the decision to keep batting the hapless Burly 5th? Who decided to let Burly hit against a lefty with the game on the line?

Of course it's The Manager's fault.

This team has very few options. The manager can only play what he has, and there are just no impact hitters on this team right now. Walker and Gorman strike out too much and are both slumping, Burleson and Baker are big, slow singles hitters at the major league level, when healthy Winn has proven he can't hit at the top of the order, Scott has cooled off a lot, Siani is no MLB hitter, and your catchers are OK but not MLB impact hitters. Contreras is in a terrible funk and would stink right now no matter where he hits, but I agree he should not be hitting in the upper end of the order until he is straightened out. Arenado is s decent hitter but his impact power hitter days seem to be over. Donovan, Winn, Nootbaar, and Herrera are all good players, but none of them is an impact player. I like Saggese but he is not going to be an impact player.

This is your team. Not really an impact MLB run producer in any of them at this time. And that is the real problem. Ollie doesn't help the situation, but he has been given a very flawed roster and their batting order in the long run won't matter due to the lack of real hitting talent. Those who primarily blame him for this mess are not real deep thinkers.

[Monsieur De Treville]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Whom exactly is making the decision to keep batting the hapless Burly 5th? Who decided to let Burly hit against a lefty with the game on the line?

Of course it's The Manager's fault.

This team has very few options. The manager can only play what he has, and there are just no impact hitters on this team right now. Walker and Gorman strike out too much and are both slumping, Burleson and Baker are big, slow singles hitters at the major league level, when healthy Winn has proven he can't hit at the top of the order, Scott has cooled off a lot, Siani is no MLB hitter, and your catchers are OK but not MLB impact hitters. Contreras is in a terrible funk and would stink right now no matter where he hits, but I agree he should not be hitting in the upper end of the order until he is straightened out. Arenado is s decent hitter but his impact power hitter days seem to be over. Donovan, Winn, Nootbaar, and Herrera are all good players, but none of them is an impact player. I like Saggese but he is not going to be an impact player.

This is your team. Not really an impact MLB run producer in any of them at this time. And that is the real problem. Ollie doesn't help the situation, but he has been given a very flawed roster and their batting order in the long run won't matter due to the lack of real hitting talent. Those who primarily blame him for this mess are not real deep thinkers.

What about batting your hottest hitter, Saggese 5th rather than Burly? What about the occasional hit & run? Sacrifice bunt?

I'm sorry. This team is boring and predictable. That's on the Manager.

[Cardinals4Life]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Just curious…..who was writing in WC at #2 in batting order this last month? Who thinks Burly is a DH??
The point of suiting up a MLB team is to win games!!!
Not play a washed up pitcher because you signed him to a BAD contract
Not to kiss a vets (bleep) and worry about moving him down in order when he can’t hit
Not to take out SP too early and leave others in too long
WIN THE GAME….there’s no moral victory in MLB…..there are fans who stay home because they’re tired of paying for and watching idiot losers

Simple question, Goldfan. Is it ever the players’ fault?

Absolutely
Miles Suck……so manager doesn’t start him
WC couldn’t hit…..so manager drop to bottom of order
Fernandez has been tattooed…..so manager doesn’t pitch him in a tied game in 9th inning
Burly is non-productive and has no position….so manager doesn’t play him
You see how that works…..this attitude that “stuff happens” gives us a below .500 team and continues to cough up winnable games.

Well said GoldFan.
Marmol doesn't know how to manage and it becomes noticeable in close games. Sure players have to play, but managers have to use guys appropriately and put them in spots to be successful. Marmol has failed in that regard, bigtime!

lol. Torre was bashed on CT. Whitey was bashed on CT. Tony was bashed on CT. Matheny was bashed on CT. Shildt was bashed on CT. Now it’s Oli’s turn.
What’s new?

Idk about any of that. All I know is Marmol is god-awful at in-game managing and has no feel at all for the game. That is blatantly obvious. He is also far inferior to any of the managers you mentioned.

[Cusecards]

The vast majority of the time it comes down to the players performing or not.
But.....in tight games against equal or better competition you need your “leadership” help give you an EDGE.
Oli gives the opponent the edge the vast majority of the time.
Not only are his in-game decisions often in question but he totally butchered the TO and Contreras “situations” a few years back.
I can’t think of one positive quality that he brings to the games?
So...why keep him next season?

[Cranny]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Just curious…..who was writing in WC at #2 in batting order this last month? Who thinks Burly is a DH??
The point of suiting up a MLB team is to win games!!!
Not play a washed up pitcher because you signed him to a BAD contract
Not to kiss a vets (bleep) and worry about moving him down in order when he can’t hit
Not to take out SP too early and leave others in too long
WIN THE GAME….there’s no moral victory in MLB…..there are fans who stay home because they’re tired of paying for and watching idiot losers

Simple question, Goldfan. Is it ever the players’ fault?

Absolutely
Miles Suck……so manager doesn’t start him
WC couldn’t hit…..so manager drop to bottom of order
Fernandez has been tattooed…..so manager doesn’t pitch him in a tied game in 9th inning
Burly is non-productive and has no position….so manager doesn’t play him
You see how that works…..this attitude that “stuff happens” gives us a below .500 team and continues to cough up winnable games.

Well said GoldFan.
Marmol doesn't know how to manage and it becomes noticeable in close games. Sure players have to play, but managers have to use guys appropriately and put them in spots to be successful. Marmol has failed in that regard, bigtime!

lol. Torre was bashed on CT. Whitey was bashed on CT. Tony was bashed on CT. Matheny was bashed on CT. Shildt was bashed on CT. Now it’s Oli’s turn.
What’s new?

Idk about any of that. All I know is Marmol is god-awful at in-game managing and has no feel at all for the game. That is blatantly obvious. He is also far inferior to any of the managers you mentioned.

Blatantly obvious to whom? Or is it just an opinion?

[blackinkbiz]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Goldfan's spot on. There's so many obvious changes on a daily basis that could help the team but Oli is just being Oli--a stubborn *ss.

All the rest in this thread are "bootlickers." hehe!

[WLTFE]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Just curious…..who was writing in WC at #2 in batting order this last month? Who thinks Burly is a DH??
The point of suiting up a MLB team is to win games!!!
Not play a washed up pitcher because you signed him to a BAD contract
Not to kiss a vets (bleep) and worry about moving him down in order when he can’t hit
Not to take out SP too early and leave others in too long
WIN THE GAME….there’s no moral victory in MLB…..there are fans who stay home because they’re tired of paying for and watching idiot losers

Simple question, Goldfan. Is it ever the players’ fault?

Absolutely
Miles Suck……so manager doesn’t start him
WC couldn’t hit…..so manager drop to bottom of order
Fernandez has been tattooed…..so manager doesn’t pitch him in a tied game in 9th inning
Burly is non-productive and has no position….so manager doesn’t play him
You see how that works…..this attitude that “stuff happens” gives us a below .500 team and continues to cough up winnable games.

Well said GoldFan.
Marmol doesn't know how to manage and it becomes noticeable in close games. Sure players have to play, but managers have to use guys appropriately and put them in spots to be successful. Marmol has failed in that regard, bigtime!

lol. Torre was bashed on CT. Whitey was bashed on CT. Tony was bashed on CT. Matheny was bashed on CT. Shildt was bashed on CT. Now it’s Oli’s turn.
What’s new?

Idk about any of that. All I know is Marmol is god-awful at in-game managing and has no feel at all for the game. That is blatantly obvious. He is also far inferior to any of the managers you mentioned.

+1...he consistently misses opportunities to put this team in a position to win...only the front office (donkey) kissers will disagree!

[jw0595]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

I agree with you, but playing Devil's advocate, what would you do differently?

[Banner29]

“ #STLCards are 1-7 on road going into Saturday's game at
@Mets
; only one team in Cards franchise history (1960) was winless after first 8 road games. The 2025 Cardinals are one of 11 Cards teams to be 1-7 in first 8 road games of a season.” Bernie

0-4 in 1 run game in ‘25 as well

This is having a manager who doesn’t know how to prepare his win to WIN. Oli think every game is a learning opportunity. Send this clown to the minors to teach or instruct something. He isn’t a ML manager.

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Just curious…..who was writing in WC at #2 in batting order this last month? Who thinks Burly is a DH??
The point of suiting up a MLB team is to win games!!!
Not play a washed up pitcher because you signed him to a BAD contract
Not to kiss a vets (bleep) and worry about moving him down in order when he can’t hit
Not to take out SP too early and leave others in too long
WIN THE GAME….there’s no moral victory in MLB…..there are fans who stay home because they’re tired of paying for and watching idiot losers

Simple question, Goldfan. Is it ever the players’ fault?

Absolutely
Miles Suck……so manager doesn’t start him
WC couldn’t hit…..so manager drop to bottom of order
Fernandez has been tattooed…..so manager doesn’t pitch him in a tied game in 9th inning
Burly is non-productive and has no position….so manager doesn’t play him
You see how that works…..this attitude that “stuff happens” gives us a below .500 team and continues to cough up winnable games.

Well said GoldFan.
Marmol doesn't know how to manage and it becomes noticeable in close games. Sure players have to play, but managers have to use guys appropriately and put them in spots to be successful. Marmol has failed in that regard, bigtime!

lol. Torre was bashed on CT. Whitey was bashed on CT. Tony was bashed on CT. Matheny was bashed on CT. Shildt was bashed on CT. Now it’s Oli’s turn.
What’s new?

Idk about any of that. All I know is Marmol is god-awful at in-game managing and has no feel at all for the game. That is blatantly obvious. He is also far inferior to any of the managers you mentioned.

+1...he consistently misses opportunities to put this team in a position to win...only the front office (donkey) kissers will disagree!

Comically enough cranny has on numerous occasions spoken out against Oli and said that Mo made a wrong decision hiring him. Now he’s defending Oli to the death and saying it’s all on the players.

He just likes to argue. That’s all he’s he for. To argue.

[Cranny]

Are you going to bend him over and spank him?

Excellent, tank!

We have a manager who can’t get his team prepared to win on the road or close games……and this is your response
You two really don’t care about the Cardinals winning baseball games….

Of course we do, Goldfan. But it’s simply not always the manager’s fault. These players are grown men.
Experienced professionals.

Just curious…..who was writing in WC at #2 in batting order this last month? Who thinks Burly is a DH??
The point of suiting up a MLB team is to win games!!!
Not play a washed up pitcher because you signed him to a BAD contract
Not to kiss a vets (bleep) and worry about moving him down in order when he can’t hit
Not to take out SP too early and leave others in too long
WIN THE GAME….there’s no moral victory in MLB…..there are fans who stay home because they’re tired of paying for and watching idiot losers

Simple question, Goldfan. Is it ever the players’ fault?

Absolutely
Miles Suck……so manager doesn’t start him
WC couldn’t hit…..so manager drop to bottom of order
Fernandez has been tattooed…..so manager doesn’t pitch him in a tied game in 9th inning
Burly is non-productive and has no position….so manager doesn’t play him
You see how that works…..this attitude that “stuff happens” gives us a below .500 team and continues to cough up winnable games.

Well said GoldFan.
Marmol doesn't know how to manage and it becomes noticeable in close games. Sure players have to play, but managers have to use guys appropriately and put them in spots to be successful. Marmol has failed in that regard, bigtime!

lol. Torre was bashed on CT. Whitey was bashed on CT. Tony was bashed on CT. Matheny was bashed on CT. Shildt was bashed on CT. Now it’s Oli’s turn.
What’s new?

Idk about any of that. All I know is Marmol is god-awful at in-game managing and has no feel at all for the game. That is blatantly obvious. He is also far inferior to any of the managers you mentioned.

+1...he consistently misses opportunities to put this team in a position to win...only the front office (donkey) kissers will disagree!

Comically enough cranny has on numerous occasions spoken out against Oli and said that Mo made a wrong decision hiring him. Now he’s defending Oli to the death and saying it’s all on the players.

He just likes to argue. That’s all he’s he for. To argue.

You’re right. Oli didn’t deserve the job, and I don’t particularly care for him. But that doesn’t make me bash every move he makes, because I don’t know the stats or everything going on behind the scenes.