Donovan

[Hoosier59]

I’m afraid all of us Donovan fans are going to be disappointed. Just as soon as he gets near that 10 mil/yr mark, he’s gone! Dewitt won’t spend that much on him when Wetherholt is on the way to replace him. Donovan doesn’t have the fan or draw appeal that Nootbaar has, so he is probably traded as soon as they think JJ is ready. Donovan is just like Edman to the Cardinals, great to have until he starts getting expensive ( in Bill’s eyes)
I’m afraid this is what we are in for as long as the DeWitts continue to run the club. Unless the Cardinals develop a bonified all star, not just good player, they aren’t going to pony up to extend anyone. Hope I’m wrong!

[Ozziesfan41]

The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.

Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.

But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.

They were stuck w him.

Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...

Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.

There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.

I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.

I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.

And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.

I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.

Here's is Donovan's beginnings:

2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.

I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.

Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...

They didn’t tack on years for Edman.

I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.

If you meant that, you would have said that.

There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.

I did mean that, sport.

Sounds like that Edman deal worked.

You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension

Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.

It probably will be because if Donovan just continues to hit the way he has his entire career and hits free agency the Yankees or maybe even the dodgers will give him more than Edman made which would probably price him out of St. Louis

Why not trade him then this offseason for mlb-ready prospect(s)?

I wouldn’t object to that if they are good prospects but that’s not what the thread is about it’s about should they sign him to an extension and I say yes absolutely

[Banner29]

The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.

Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.

But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.

They were stuck w him.

Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...

Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.

There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.

I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.

I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.

And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.

I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.

Here's is Donovan's beginnings:

2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.

I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.

Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...

They didn’t tack on years for Edman.

I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.

If you meant that, you would have said that.

There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.

I did mean that, sport.

Sounds like that Edman deal worked.

You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension

Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.

It probably will be because if Donovan just continues to hit the way he has his entire career and hits free agency the Yankees or maybe even the dodgers will give him more than Edman made which would probably price him out of St. Louis

Why not trade him then this offseason for mlb-ready prospect(s)?

Or sign him now before the Yankees and Dodgers even have the opportunity to do it

[ecleme22]

But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.

They were stuck w him.

Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...

Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.

There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.

I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.

I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.

And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.

I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.

Here's is Donovan's beginnings:

2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.

I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.

Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...

They didn’t tack on years for Edman.

I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.

If you meant that, you would have said that.

There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.

I did mean that, sport.

Sounds like that Edman deal worked.

You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension

Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.

It probably will be because if Donovan just continues to hit the way he has his entire career and hits free agency the Yankees or maybe even the dodgers will give him more than Edman made which would probably price him out of St. Louis

Why not trade him then this offseason for mlb-ready prospect(s)?

I wouldn’t object to that if they are good prospects but that’s not what the thread is about it’s about should they sign him to an extension and I say yes absolutely

I disagree. This thread is very much about whether to do A or B, and the possibilities both have.

You can’t just look at extending Donovan in a bubble.

You already stated one possibility of not extending him: he leaves for FA and makes more than TE.

Another possibility of not extending him: the team trades him at peak value, and gets prospect(s) with FULL team control and very cheap.

[ecleme22]

But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.

They were stuck w him.

Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...

Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.

There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.

I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.

I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.

And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.

I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.

Here's is Donovan's beginnings:

2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.

I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.

Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...

They didn’t tack on years for Edman.

I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.

If you meant that, you would have said that.

There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.

I did mean that, sport.

Sounds like that Edman deal worked.

You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension

Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.

It probably will be because if Donovan just continues to hit the way he has his entire career and hits free agency the Yankees or maybe even the dodgers will give him more than Edman made which would probably price him out of St. Louis

Why not trade him then this offseason for mlb-ready prospect(s)?

Or sign him now before the Yankees and Dodgers even have the opportunity to do it

Trading him accomplishes the same thing

[Banner29]

Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.

There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.

I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.

I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.

And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.

I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.

Here's is Donovan's beginnings:

2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.

I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.

Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...

They didn’t tack on years for Edman.

I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.

If you meant that, you would have said that.

There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.

I did mean that, sport.

Sounds like that Edman deal worked.

You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension

Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.

It probably will be because if Donovan just continues to hit the way he has his entire career and hits free agency the Yankees or maybe even the dodgers will give him more than Edman made which would probably price him out of St. Louis

Why not trade him then this offseason for mlb-ready prospect(s)?

Or sign him now before the Yankees and Dodgers even have the opportunity to do it

Trading him accomplishes the same thing

You would rather trade a valuable asset than pay him?

That would go over well…..

[Ozziesfan41]

I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.

And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.

I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.

Here's is Donovan's beginnings:

2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.

I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.

Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...

They didn’t tack on years for Edman.

I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.

If you meant that, you would have said that.

There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.

I did mean that, sport.

Sounds like that Edman deal worked.

You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension

Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.

It probably will be because if Donovan just continues to hit the way he has his entire career and hits free agency the Yankees or maybe even the dodgers will give him more than Edman made which would probably price him out of St. Louis

Why not trade him then this offseason for mlb-ready prospect(s)?

Or sign him now before the Yankees and Dodgers even have the opportunity to do it

Trading him accomplishes the same thing

You would rather trade a valuable asset than pay him?

That would go over well…..

Yea cardinals develop a good player who is a leader hits well gets on base won a gold glove and plays multiple positions and he’s like trade him daddy Dewitt needs to keep that green

[ecleme22]

I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.

And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.

I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.

Here's is Donovan's beginnings:

2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.

I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.

Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...

They didn’t tack on years for Edman.

I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.

If you meant that, you would have said that.

There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.

I did mean that, sport.

Sounds like that Edman deal worked.

You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension

Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.

It probably will be because if Donovan just continues to hit the way he has his entire career and hits free agency the Yankees or maybe even the dodgers will give him more than Edman made which would probably price him out of St. Louis

Why not trade him then this offseason for mlb-ready prospect(s)?

Or sign him now before the Yankees and Dodgers even have the opportunity to do it

Trading him accomplishes the same thing

You would rather trade a valuable asset than pay him?

That would go over well…..

Depends who you trade him for.

Depends how you spend the money.

[Catfish4U]

It's really an example of poor front office principles that they don't have Donovan and Nootbaar signed longer term.

Donovan is locked up for four more seasons after this season. He will be 31 years old at that time. Why lock up past 4 3/4 seasons and on the wrong side of 30? The front office may have poor principles but this is a really poor example! jmho

[An Old Friend]

It's really an example of poor front office principles that they don't have Donovan and Nootbaar signed longer term.

Donovan is locked up for four more seasons after this season.

Why do you think that?

[An Old Friend]

Sounds like that Edman deal worked.

In that it functioned?

You said they tacked on a lucrative 2 year deal. Not what happened, and surely you can be honest enough to admit that

Trying to change the subject away from how you wanted to give Noot a 6-7 year deal? I don’t blame you.

The Edman deal worked. We didn’t need to give him a 6 year contract after 2021. And the cards budget was fine.

Take a deep breath

I didn’t change the subject. You said the Cardinals tacked a 2 year deal on for Edman which is completely untrue. Why not just admit that?

I’m not changing the subject: I’m literally the one that started this conversation about how the Cardinals haven’t made any effort to lock up anyone long term, and that is fundamentally stupid particularly considering their payroll intentions.

Looks like they want zero payroll obligations going into the anticipated lockout.

[ecleme22]

Sounds like that Edman deal worked.

In that it functioned?

You said they tacked on a lucrative 2 year deal. Not what happened, and surely you can be honest enough to admit that

Trying to change the subject away from how you wanted to give Noot a 6-7 year deal? I don’t blame you.

The Edman deal worked. We didn’t need to give him a 6 year contract after 2021. And the cards budget was fine.

Take a deep breath

I didn’t change the subject. You said the Cardinals tacked a 2 year deal on for Edman which is completely untrue. Why not just admit that?

I’m not changing the subject: I’m literally the one that started this conversation about how the Cardinals haven’t made any effort to lock up anyone long term, and that is fundamentally stupid particularly considering their payroll intentions.

Looks like they want zero payroll obligations going into the anticipated lockout.

Sure you changed the subject sport.

The cards did to TE what they did w Bader.


Now….back you you wanting to sign the oft-injured noot for 7 years…