An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
Exactly. It creates an incentive culture, too - younger players see that hard work and performance is rewarded. The Cardinals have none of that going for them right now.
Donovan is a great player to have around and it’s pretty easy to look around to see what top utility type players are worth. The Cardinals have just decided that they’re not doing it with anyone.
Why ecleme is taking shots at me over the DeJong contract… well, who knows? ecleme gonna ecleme
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
Edman got a 74 million dollar contract and has a career of .263 .317 .729 Donovan has a career .284 .366 .778 they should probably try to sign Donovan now because several teams would love a gold glove utility man who hits and gets on base
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
Edman got a 74 million dollar contract and has a career of .263 .317 .729 Donovan has a career .284 .366 .778 they should probably try to sign Donovan now because several teams would love a gold glove utility man who hits and gets on base
I seen a Yankee fan discussion somewhere and they were salivating over Donovan as a trade target.
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
Edman got a 74 million dollar contract and has a career of .263 .317 .729 Donovan has a career .284 .366 .778 they should probably try to sign Donovan now because several teams would love a gold glove utility man who hits and gets on base
Absolutely, he exhibits all of those traits St Louis fans love. Scrappy, great work ethic, team first attitude. But also has a bit of talent to boot. Also has been talked about since the offseason how he’s being expected to step up and be a team leader in the clubhouse.
There’s nothing any of us have seen from him to suggest he won’t have an extremely productive career going forward both on the field and in the locker room.
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.
And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.
I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.
Here's is Donovan's beginnings:
2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.
I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.
Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.
And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.
I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.
Here's is Donovan's beginnings:
2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.
I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.
Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.
And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.
I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.
Here's is Donovan's beginnings:
2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.
I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.
Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...
They didn’t tack on years for Edman.
I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.
And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.
I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.
Here's is Donovan's beginnings:
2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.
I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.
Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...
They didn’t tack on years for Edman.
I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.
If you meant that, you would have said that.
There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.
And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.
I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.
Here's is Donovan's beginnings:
2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.
I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.
Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...
They didn’t tack on years for Edman.
I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.
If you meant that, you would have said that.
There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.
And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.
I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.
Here's is Donovan's beginnings:
2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.
I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.
Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...
They didn’t tack on years for Edman.
I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.
If you meant that, you would have said that.
There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.
I did mean that, sport.
Sounds like that Edman deal worked.
You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.
And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.
I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.
Here's is Donovan's beginnings:
2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.
I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.
Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...
They didn’t tack on years for Edman.
I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.
If you meant that, you would have said that.
There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.
I did mean that, sport.
Sounds like that Edman deal worked.
You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension
Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.
An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 22:25 pm
How are we at a point where there are people that still don’t understand the value in signing young pre-arb players to team friendly deals?
The Cardinals cannot compete at their payroll level if they don’t do this with some frequency.
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.
And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.
I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.
Here's is Donovan's beginnings:
2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.
I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.
Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...
They didn’t tack on years for Edman.
I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.
If you meant that, you would have said that.
There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.
I did mean that, sport.
Sounds like that Edman deal worked.
You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension
Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.
It probably will be because if Donovan just continues to hit the way he has his entire career and hits free agency the Yankees or maybe even the dodgers will give him more than Edman made which would probably price him out of St. Louis
I knew he was going to start talking about DeJong. I'd be looking to sign Winn and Walker based on their ceiling. If Walker shows us a season of what we dreamed of, that's the guy you start thinking about a 10 year deal with.
The thing about it too is while the Dejong contract was a dud it didn’t hamper the team at all. It’s not like we just couldn’t spend anymore because of it. So while there’s a level of “risk” involved, locking a Brendan Donovan up to a team friendly contract for an additional 2-3 years past when he is supposed to hit free agency, where if he is still performing the way he is will be more expensive and certainly won’t be doing you any favors hitting the market, is the very definition of low risk high reward.
Also players don’t typically like knowing they are cheap labor to the front office especially when they are consistently preforming well. And there’s a vote of confidence in giving out these kinds of contracts. Player gets a pay raise and the front office isn’t sweating writing the checks. There’s little be lost and alot to be gained. Win for both sides.
But Dejong did hamper the team.
1. PDJ's contract forced the FO to give him chance after chance after chance.
2. Prevented the org from investing in outside competition.
3. Prevented the org from being able to easily trade DeJong.
They were stuck w him.
Cards currently don't have any of these deals on the books. GOOD. Let's wait until Bloom fully takes over before we hand out any more of these contracts to flash in the pans...
Except Donovan has done nothing but hit since he’s been in the majors, and has fielded well in every position he’s been asked to play.
There is nothing about him that suggests flash in the pan.
I might agree with your stance as far as Noot goes given his injury history. But not Donovan. Dude can flat out play.
I like Donovan a lot. I've said this before.
And Donovan currently has THREE MORE YEARS with the team, barring an extension. I'm happy with that. Three years is a long time.
I don't think it's imperative that BD is signed for 2028 and beyond. Or the fact that he's not 'locked up' is any indication the team doesn't know what they are doing.
Here's is Donovan's beginnings:
2022: Donovan great as a rookie.
2023: Donovan gets injured. Team loses 91 games.
I personally don't think signing BD to like a 7 year deal after 2022 or 2023 would've been the best move.
Now it's early 2025 and his contract has yet to be reworked. Who cares? The Cards can always tack on a lucrative 2 year deal like they did for Edman...
They didn’t tack on years for Edman.
I meant tack on a bump in salary. I think they did the same for Bader too.
If you meant that, you would have said that.
There wasn’t a bump in salary. They just averaged what they were estimating he’d make in his last two years of arbitration and made that a 2 year deal.
I did mean that, sport.
Sounds like that Edman deal worked.
You don’t want them to sign him a lot of people do no need to get worked up about it. For me hes a good hitter gets on base at .366 for his career very good ops hes currently the cards third place hitter and doing a heck of a job at it I think they should extend him buy out a few free agent years. He also has 1500 career plate appearances so it’s not like where people are advocating a Mo one good season and sign him to an extension
Possibly. But the org not giving BD an extension yet is not some indictment on how the org is run, as Old Friend implied.
It probably will be because if Donovan just continues to hit the way he has his entire career and hits free agency the Yankees or maybe even the dodgers will give him more than Edman made which would probably price him out of St. Louis
Why not trade him then this offseason for mlb-ready prospect(s)?
