Cranny wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:06 pm
What’s a shame, is this team is playing hard, and the fans are taking it out on the front office. It’s not the players’ fault.
You will simply say any old thing.
You spend an inordinate amount of time here, alibiing for BillMoe&Co, and placing blame on the players.
Now you are bemoaning the fact that the poor players are simply innocent bystanders and caught between a battle between the fans and the front office.
Newsflash Minority Partner and Big Shot Investment Banker.
You have an undervalued asset that is suffering from deferred maintenance. Pump money back into the Org, start winning again, and then look to cash out once the crowds return. And they will, as everyone loves a Winner.
The Eddie Lambert approach of pulling all cash out and cutting expenses to the bone only leads to one eventuality. Bankruptcy.
Several things -
I’m not a minority partner and I’m not a big shot.
The Cardinals are investing - significant money going
into the Roger Dean complex, new sophisticated equipment, and more roving instructors helping with specific positions.
Kentucky kid wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 12:59 pm
the cardinals were as good as dodgers the crowds would be like they use to. Amazing how winning is always the answer.
gee, if any team was as good as the dodgers...what a stupid comment,if the cards play good baseball and are in contention people will come out...personally I would much rather watch the youngsters than the middle of the road overpaid guys....
Cranny wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:06 pm
What’s a shame, is this team is playing hard, and the fans are taking it out on the front office. It’s not the players’ fault.
You will simply say any old thing.
You spend an inordinate amount of time here, alibiing for BillMoe&Co, and placing blame on the players.
Now you are bemoaning the fact that the poor players are simply innocent bystanders and caught between a battle between the fans and the front office.
Newsflash Minority Partner and Big Shot Investment Banker.
You have an undervalued asset that is suffering from deferred maintenance. Pump money back into the Org, start winning again, and then look to cash out once the crowds return. And they will, as everyone loves a Winner.
The Eddie Lambert approach of pulling all cash out and cutting expenses to the bone only leads to one eventuality. Bankruptcy.
Several things -
I’m not a minority partner and I’m not a big shot.
The Cardinals are investing - significant money going
into the Roger Dean complex, new sophisticated equipment, and more roving instructors helping with specific positions.
That's great, but you can't expect fans to get excited to buy tickets because you improved a stadium 1,000 miles away & hired some instructors they'll never see. This stuff only helps attendance if it results in better player development, which won't be apparent for several years. You can tell fans all you want about improvements to your minor league system, no one cares until you have something to actually show for it.
hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:10 pm
It’s not directed at the players dude it’s directed at owner and GM.
Fans still support the players but in good conscience can’t support the people that make decisions and it’s their only way to make a statement
not sure I understand, if the team plays exciting ball and is in contention isnt that what fans want...I have no idea how the season will go but the cards are playing exciting baseball and are 4-2 and the braves are 0-8
Cranny wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:06 pm
What’s a shame, is this team is playing hard, and the fans are taking it out on the front office. It’s not the players’ fault.
You will simply say any old thing.
You spend an inordinate amount of time here, alibiing for BillMoe&Co, and placing blame on the players.
Now you are bemoaning the fact that the poor players are simply innocent bystanders and caught between a battle between the fans and the front office.
Newsflash Minority Partner and Big Shot Investment Banker.
You have an undervalued asset that is suffering from deferred maintenance. Pump money back into the Org, start winning again, and then look to cash out once the crowds return. And they will, as everyone loves a Winner.
The Eddie Lambert approach of pulling all cash out and cutting expenses to the bone only leads to one eventuality. Bankruptcy.
Several things -
I’m not a minority partner and I’m not a big shot.
The Cardinals are investing - significant money going
into the Roger Dean complex, new sophisticated equipment, and more roving instructors helping with specific positions.
That's great, but you can't expect fans to get excited to buy tickets because you improved a stadium 1,000 miles away & hired some instructors they'll never see. This stuff only helps attendance if it results in better player development, which won't be apparent for several years. You can tell fans all you want about improvements to your minor league system, no one cares until you have something to actually show for it.
or if the likes of walker and herrera and Noot and gorman and libitore etc perform well
I was at yesterday's game and while there were several variables at play (potential bad weather, early season mid week day game, etc), there was NO ONE at that game
Cranny wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:06 pm
What’s a shame, is this team is playing hard, and the fans are taking it out on the front office. It’s not the players’ fault.
You will simply say any old thing.
You spend an inordinate amount of time here, alibiing for BillMoe&Co, and placing blame on the players.
Now you are bemoaning the fact that the poor players are simply innocent bystanders and caught between a battle between the fans and the front office.
Newsflash Minority Partner and Big Shot Investment Banker.
You have an undervalued asset that is suffering from deferred maintenance. Pump money back into the Org, start winning again, and then look to cash out once the crowds return. And they will, as everyone loves a Winner.
The Eddie Lambert approach of pulling all cash out and cutting expenses to the bone only leads to one eventuality. Bankruptcy.
Several things -
I’m not a minority partner and I’m not a big shot.
The Cardinals are investing - significant money going
into the Roger Dean complex, new sophisticated equipment, and more roving instructors helping with specific positions.
That's great, but you can't expect fans to get excited to buy tickets because you improved a stadium 1,000 miles away & hired some instructors they'll never see. This stuff only helps attendance if it results in better player development, which won't be apparent for several years. You can tell fans all you want about improvements to your minor league system, no one cares until you have something to actually show for it.
or if the likes of walker and herrera and Noot and gorman and libitore etc perform well
Yeah but that really doesn't have anything to do with Roger Dean Stadium improvements or new minor league instructors. Those guys are all at the MLB level now, so none of the money the team is supposedly spending is really helping them at all.
My point is when your offseason messaging is that we're going to pull money away from payroll to put it into something that won't affect the MLB product for probably minimally a year you should expect a pretty big drop in ticket sales. Why would I buy a ticket this year because you put money into the minor league system? To come out & see the players that are still in the minors that are the only players benefitting from the investment? I'm sorry, let me know when you feel like this is going to actually affect the MLB club & then I'll consider buying a ticket.
It's like a restaurant serving bad food & then trying to get people to come back by advertising that they added AC to the kitchen. So I'm still getting bad food, but the cooks will be more comfortable, yeah no thanks I'll come back when you've actually improved the food.
hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:10 pm
It’s not directed at the players dude it’s directed at owner and GM.
Fans still support the players but in good conscience can’t support the people that make decisions and it’s their only way to make a statement
not sure I understand, if the team plays exciting ball and is in contention isnt that what fans want...I have no idea how the season will go but the cards are playing exciting baseball and are 4-2 and the braves are 0-8
I think for some that money spent in payroll is equal to a team trying.
That number is as different as there are people. IMO the Cards may never be within $75-$80 million
of the top ever again. Far different than years past, the gap is more extreme.
For me good baseball, entertainment is all that's needed. I couldn't care less about how much owners pocket.
I don't think St. Louis would be willing to pay what the larger market fans pay to see the games.
TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 12:49 pm
I was at yesterday's game and while there were several variables at play (potential bad weather, early season mid week day game, etc), there was NO ONE at that game
hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:10 pm
It’s not directed at the players dude it’s directed at owner and GM.
Fans still support the players but in good conscience can’t support the people that make decisions and it’s their only way to make a statement
not sure I understand, if the team plays exciting ball and is in contention isnt that what fans want...I have no idea how the season will go but the cards are playing exciting baseball and are 4-2 and the braves are 0-8
The Braves have played two good teams…..one of them very, very good….on the road
The cardinals have played two mediocre teams at home…
hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:10 pm
It’s not directed at the players dude it’s directed at owner and GM.
Fans still support the players but in good conscience can’t support the people that make decisions and it’s their only way to make a statement
not sure I understand, if the team plays exciting ball and is in contention isnt that what fans want...I have no idea how the season will go but the cards are playing exciting baseball and are 4-2 and the braves are 0-8
The Braves have played two good teams…..one of them very, very good….on the road
The cardinals have played two mediocre teams at home…
Bad comparison
Braves will need to contend with history. No team has ever started 0-7 and had a winning season, much less made the playoffs.
On the East Coast so attending games is a rarity.
Can only guess at the fan interest:
*Colder/wetter weather?
*Kids still in school?
*Opponent in question?
*Uncertain about quality/direction of the team?
Obviously playing well and being in contention for the division will spur interest as the season progresses.
Looking at the list above not sure the opponents psyched people up into buying tickets.
Twins & Angels are meh!
Divisional opponents and heavyweights(Dodgers, Yankees, Braves, Phils, etc) could make a difference.
Based on history I think pennant race spurs attendance.
Kentucky kid wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 12:59 pm
the cardinals were as good as dodgers the crowds would be like they use to. Amazing how winning is always the answer.
Your amazing insight is always such a pleasure to read, Joel!
Cranny wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:06 pm
What’s a shame, is this team is playing hard, and the fans are taking it out on the front office. It’s not the players’ fault.
You will simply say any old thing.
You spend an inordinate amount of time here, alibiing for BillMoe&Co, and placing blame on the players.
Now you are bemoaning the fact that the poor players are simply innocent bystanders and caught between a battle between the fans and the front office.
Newsflash Minority Partner and Big Shot Investment Banker.
You have an undervalued asset that is suffering from deferred maintenance. Pump money back into the Org, start winning again, and then look to cash out once the crowds return. And they will, as everyone loves a Winner.
The Eddie Lambert approach of pulling all cash out and cutting expenses to the bone only leads to one eventuality. Bankruptcy.
Several things -
I’m not a minority partner and I’m not a big shot.
The Cardinals are investing - significant money going
into the Roger Dean complex, new sophisticated equipment, and more roving instructors helping with specific positions.
But, look who they have produced with their minor league system? The whole OF of Walker, Nootbaar, and Scott which barring injury is here for years to come. You wouldn't have said that last year. Then Herrera as catcher who may become 1bmen in a couple of years.
The OF keeps hitting and playing defense like the first six games....
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:29 pm
4-2...sucks for yhem
4–2 and the two losses were an extra innings. We have had a chance in every single game, which is great.
I’m planning on coming down for a couple games Memorial Day weekend. I know it’s a holiday weekend, but I was pretty shocked about the ticket prices. I live six hours away and certainly not gonna sit in the nosebleeds. I may have to reconsider with these prices.
