MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
He was okay from a play level at first but never worth the contract. Theres a chance he never plays again and that his surgery was just to help him live a normal life after hockey. He will try all his rehab though if he wantsnto collect his cpntract but im not sure he will ever get medically cleared. Too early to know for sure right now. Very little updates
I'm wondering if the Blues are bound to pay his contract in the following two years, if he's not cleared to play. Did they have to pay him this year ?
Yes you have to play players even if they are injured as long as they are going through the proper rehab and such to try and be able to play. Contracts are still guaranteed. If a player says he doesnt want to go through rehab to try and return to play, then that is a different story because the player isnt doing everything he can to fulfill the terms of the contra t. But as long as he is following the doctors orders and going through the rehab process. Blues have to pay the actual money. The cap hit is on injured reserve so it isnless a concern to the fans but the player still gets the actual money.
At this point, i know many fans are scared if he does get medically cleared to play because he likely is a shell of himself and then his bad cap hit comes back, but i still think he is a long ways away from that happening
If he isn't cleared to play by next year, that starts to look like he's abusing the privilege. Do players often go years on end on LTIR, or is it considered 'the right thing to do' to retire, and unburden the team from a contract not being earned ?
Shea weber has not played since the 2020-2021 season and its been proclaimed that the extent of his injuries are too much for him to ever play again, and yet he is still getting paid until his contract ends after the 2025-2026 season. Hillariously, the rights of his contract have been traded 3 times since, knowing full well he wont play, but just being used as a cash exchange as part of deals.
Long term Injured reserve is made for this purpose so that a player wont hurt their team and their salary cap, but can still get their money.
Id a doctor clears krug but he says he doesnt want to play, only then would he be forced to retire and give up his money.
Honestly, for most teams the actual contract dollars are not a burden as long as the player isnt counting against the cap, except for the broke fanchises. Also some long term contracts have insurance on them so a portion of the contract is being paid by an insurance company with only part of the contract being paid by the team itself.(the imsurance company paying the contract portion is the main reason why a player like krug would have to prove he isnt physically able to play andndid everything to try and come back) as the the blues themselves wpuld probably not care about the money and just be happy if krug stayed on ir and didnt hurt their salary cap.
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
He was okay from a play level at first but never worth the contract. Theres a chance he never plays again and that his surgery was just to help him live a normal life after hockey. He will try all his rehab though if he wantsnto collect his cpntract but im not sure he will ever get medically cleared. Too early to know for sure right now. Very little updates
I'm wondering if the Blues are bound to pay his contract in the following two years, if he's not cleared to play. Did they have to pay him this year ?
Yes you have to play players even if they are injured as long as they are going through the proper rehab and such to try and be able to play. Contracts are still guaranteed. If a player says he doesnt want to go through rehab to try and return to play, then that is a different story because the player isnt doing everything he can to fulfill the terms of the contra t. But as long as he is following the doctors orders and going through the rehab process. Blues have to pay the actual money. The cap hit is on injured reserve so it isnless a concern to the fans but the player still gets the actual money.
At this point, i know many fans are scared if he does get medically cleared to play because he likely is a shell of himself and then his bad cap hit comes back, but i still think he is a long ways away from that happening
If he isn't cleared to play by next year, that starts to look like he's abusing the privilege. Do players often go years on end on LTIR, or is it considered 'the right thing to do' to retire, and unburden the team from a contract not being earned ?
Shea weber has not played since the 2020-2021 season and its been proclaimed that the extent of his injuries are too much for him to ever play again, and yet he is still getting paid until his contract ends after the 2025-2026 season. Hillariously, the rights of his contract have been traded 3 times since, knowing full well he wont play, but just being used as a cash exchange as part of deals.
Long term Injured reserve is made for this purpose so that a player wont hurt their team and their salary cap, but can still get their money.
Id a doctor clears krug but he says he doesnt want to play, only then would he be forced to retire and give up his money.
Honestly, for most teams the actual contract dollars are not a burden as long as the player isnt counting against the cap, except for the broke fanchises. Also some long term contracts have insurance on them so a portion of the contract is being paid by an insurance company with only part of the contract being paid by the team itself.(the imsurance company paying the contract portion is the main reason why a player like krug would have to prove he isnt physically able to play andndid everything to try and come back) as the the blues themselves wpuld probably not care about the money and just be happy if krug stayed on ir and didnt hurt their salary cap.
First two bolds: Abusing his privilege? Contract not being earned? Contract is a two-way legally binding document, not a privilege. What's more, he was injured on the job.
Third: Yes, and Landeskog hasn't played in a while. Fairly certain there others.
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
He was okay from a play level at first but never worth the contract. Theres a chance he never plays again and that his surgery was just to help him live a normal life after hockey. He will try all his rehab though if he wantsnto collect his cpntract but im not sure he will ever get medically cleared. Too early to know for sure right now. Very little updates
I'm wondering if the Blues are bound to pay his contract in the following two years, if he's not cleared to play. Did they have to pay him this year ?
Yes you have to play players even if they are injured as long as they are going through the proper rehab and such to try and be able to play. Contracts are still guaranteed. If a player says he doesnt want to go through rehab to try and return to play, then that is a different story because the player isnt doing everything he can to fulfill the terms of the contra t. But as long as he is following the doctors orders and going through the rehab process. Blues have to pay the actual money. The cap hit is on injured reserve so it isnless a concern to the fans but the player still gets the actual money.
At this point, i know many fans are scared if he does get medically cleared to play because he likely is a shell of himself and then his bad cap hit comes back, but i still think he is a long ways away from that happening
If he isn't cleared to play by next year, that starts to look like he's abusing the privilege. Do players often go years on end on LTIR, or is it considered 'the right thing to do' to retire, and unburden the team from a contract not being earned ?
Shea weber has not played since the 2020-2021 season and its been proclaimed that the extent of his injuries are too much for him to ever play again, and yet he is still getting paid until his contract ends after the 2025-2026 season. Hillariously, the rights of his contract have been traded 3 times since, knowing full well he wont play, but just being used as a cash exchange as part of deals.
Long term Injured reserve is made for this purpose so that a player wont hurt their team and their salary cap, but can still get their money.
Id a doctor clears krug but he says he doesnt want to play, only then would he be forced to retire and give up his money.
Honestly, for most teams the actual contract dollars are not a burden as long as the player isnt counting against the cap, except for the broke fanchises. Also some long term contracts have insurance on them so a portion of the contract is being paid by an insurance company with only part of the contract being paid by the team itself.(the imsurance company paying the contract portion is the main reason why a player like krug would have to prove he isnt physically able to play andndid everything to try and come back) as the the blues themselves wpuld probably not care about the money and just be happy if krug stayed on ir and didnt hurt their salary cap.
First two bolds: Abusing his privilege? Contract not being earned? Contract is a two-way legally binding document, not a privilege. What's more, he was injured on the job.
Third: Yes, and Landeskog hasn't played in a while. Fairly certain there others.
I don't remember the specifics, but I remember reading something shortly after his surgery that suggested that coming back from the kind of surgery he had would be highly unlikely. Specifically, the surgery would likely be successful as far as quality of life, etc., but coming back and being able to play at a high level in the NHL would be unlikely. I'll try to search and see if I can find details. It sounds a lot like the Landeskog situation.....he keeps working out and Avs fans get all excited about the possibility of him returning, but his particular surgery makes it highly unlikely he will ever play in the NHL again. He doesn't retire for obvious reasons, so the whole thing will drag on until the contract is up. No idea if Krug's odds are better or worse, but I'd be surprised to see him again.
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
The original injury occurred when he was with the Bruins. He was taken out hard and slammed feet first into the boards snapping his ankle. He recovered and played fine after that for a while but as the years went on the arthritis in that broken ankle got really really bad.
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
He was okay from a play level at first but never worth the contract. Theres a chance he never plays again and that his surgery was just to help him live a normal life after hockey. He will try all his rehab though if he wantsnto collect his cpntract but im not sure he will ever get medically cleared. Too early to know for sure right now. Very little updates
I'm wondering if the Blues are bound to pay his contract in the following two years, if he's not cleared to play. Did they have to pay him this year ?
Yes, the Blues paid him this season and are obligated to pay out the rest of his contract. NHL contracts are guaranteed. But as others have said, his contract was almost certainly insured. Which players’ contacts are insured and at what number aren’t known but I can tell you most teams insure the high dollar contracts that go multiple years and they’re usually covered at 80%. So most likely, insurance has been covering most of Krug’s contract this year and will going forward assuming he remains injured. The only caveat would be if the insurance policy specifically excluded that ankle since it was a preexisting injury. That we don’t know though. But either way, Krug is owed the rest of his contact and no, he’s under no obligation to do the Blues a solid and retire and leave millions on the table.
All that said, I’ll be pretty surprised if Krug ever plays in the NHL again. The surgery he had is called subtalar fusion. They screw two huge screws into his ankle/heel locking the two main bones in place. No player has ever had this surgery and returned to play pro hockey. I’m pretty sure the only pro athlete in any sport to return to play after this surgery is Tiger Woods. And hockey requires a ton more ankle flexion than golf. I just don’t see Krug ever getting medically cleared to play again.
But if he is every medically cleared to play…he likely will be a really really bad hockey player and at that point, the Blues would have a big problem on their hands. I doubt that ever happens though.
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
The original injury occurred when he was with the Bruins. He was taken out hard and slammed feet first into the boards snapping his ankle. He recovered and played fine after that for a while but as the years went on the arthritis in that broken ankle got really really bad.
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
He was okay from a play level at first but never worth the contract. Theres a chance he never plays again and that his surgery was just to help him live a normal life after hockey. He will try all his rehab though if he wantsnto collect his cpntract but im not sure he will ever get medically cleared. Too early to know for sure right now. Very little updates
I'm wondering if the Blues are bound to pay his contract in the following two years, if he's not cleared to play. Did they have to pay him this year ?
Yes, the Blues paid him this season and are obligated to pay out the rest of his contract. NHL contracts are guaranteed. But as others have said, his contract was almost certainly insured. Which players’ contacts are insured and at what number aren’t known but I can tell you most teams insure the high dollar contracts that go multiple years and they’re usually covered at 80%. So most likely, insurance has been covering most of Krug’s contract this year and will going forward assuming he remains injured. The only caveat would be if the insurance policy specifically excluded that ankle since it was a preexisting injury. That we don’t know though. But either way, Krug is owed the rest of his contact and no, he’s under no obligation to do the Blues a solid and retire and leave millions on the table.
All that said, I’ll be pretty surprised if Krug ever plays in the NHL again. The surgery he had is called subtalar fusion. They screw two huge screws into his ankle/heel locking the two main bones in place. No player has ever had this surgery and returned to play pro hockey. I’m pretty sure the only pro athlete in any sport to return to play after this surgery is Tiger Woods. And hockey requires a ton more ankle flexion than golf. I just don’t see Krug ever getting medically cleared to play again.
But if he is every medically cleared to play…he likely will be a really really bad hockey player and at that point, the Blues would have a big problem on their hands. I doubt that ever happens though.
I've got screws in my right leg, but that picture makes me shudder
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
He was okay from a play level at first but never worth the contract. Theres a chance he never plays again and that his surgery was just to help him live a normal life after hockey. He will try all his rehab though if he wantsnto collect his cpntract but im not sure he will ever get medically cleared. Too early to know for sure right now. Very little updates
I'm wondering if the Blues are bound to pay his contract in the following two years, if he's not cleared to play. Did they have to pay him this year ?
Yes you have to play players even if they are injured as long as they are going through the proper rehab and such to try and be able to play. Contracts are still guaranteed. If a player says he doesnt want to go through rehab to try and return to play, then that is a different story because the player isnt doing everything he can to fulfill the terms of the contra t. But as long as he is following the doctors orders and going through the rehab process. Blues have to pay the actual money. The cap hit is on injured reserve so it isnless a concern to the fans but the player still gets the actual money.
At this point, i know many fans are scared if he does get medically cleared to play because he likely is a shell of himself and then his bad cap hit comes back, but i still think he is a long ways away from that happening
This is my understanding as well. And teams have insurance policies to help defray the payroll expenses...Another reason why the individual has to go through medical and rehab steps, or be independently advised by a medical professional that it is inadvisable to play again, so that there is no insurance fraud.
Also, the NHL has Lloyds of London insurance for what they consider to be marquis players league-wide (I believe the total number of named players is 5). And this is used to compensate all teams, because their ticket sales revenue may drop if a marquis player on a visiting team will be out due to an injury.
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
He was okay from a play level at first but never worth the contract. Theres a chance he never plays again and that his surgery was just to help him live a normal life after hockey. He will try all his rehab though if he wantsnto collect his cpntract but im not sure he will ever get medically cleared. Too early to know for sure right now. Very little updates
I'm wondering if the Blues are bound to pay his contract in the following two years, if he's not cleared to play. Did they have to pay him this year ?
Yes and yes. LTIR only absolves them from the cap. Unless he retires, they have to pay him. His contract may be insured, but I doubt. The premiums are extremely high and at most covers like 80%.
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
The original injury occurred when he was with the Bruins. He was taken out hard and slammed feet first into the boards snapping his ankle. He recovered and played fine after that for a while but as the years went on the arthritis in that broken ankle got really really bad.
MikoTython wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 16:58 pm
Any news ? I can't find any.
Question I have, because I wasn't following closely three years ago or so - did he come here injured - did he ever perform well with the Blues ?
He was okay from a play level at first but never worth the contract. Theres a chance he never plays again and that his surgery was just to help him live a normal life after hockey. He will try all his rehab though if he wantsnto collect his cpntract but im not sure he will ever get medically cleared. Too early to know for sure right now. Very little updates
I'm wondering if the Blues are bound to pay his contract in the following two years, if he's not cleared to play. Did they have to pay him this year ?
Yes, the Blues paid him this season and are obligated to pay out the rest of his contract. NHL contracts are guaranteed. But as others have said, his contract was almost certainly insured. Which players’ contacts are insured and at what number aren’t known but I can tell you most teams insure the high dollar contracts that go multiple years and they’re usually covered at 80%. So most likely, insurance has been covering most of Krug’s contract this year and will going forward assuming he remains injured. The only caveat would be if the insurance policy specifically excluded that ankle since it was a preexisting injury. That we don’t know though. But either way, Krug is owed the rest of his contact and no, he’s under no obligation to do the Blues a solid and retire and leave millions on the table.
All that said, I’ll be pretty surprised if Krug ever plays in the NHL again. The surgery he had is called subtalar fusion. They screw two huge screws into his ankle/heel locking the two main bones in place. No player has ever had this surgery and returned to play pro hockey. I’m pretty sure the only pro athlete in any sport to return to play after this surgery is Tiger Woods. And hockey requires a ton more ankle flexion than golf. I just don’t see Krug ever getting medically cleared to play again.
But if he is every medically cleared to play…he likely will be a really really bad hockey player and at that point, the Blues would have a big problem on their hands. I doubt that ever happens though.
I have that same arthritis in my ankle. Thanks, but no thanks for sending that picture! Man do I hope I don't ever have to see an X-Ray like that of my foot.
