Woo article on the new front office heads

[An Old Friend]

the tank, if he reads this, is really not gonna like it

Woo is a baseball expert?

What specifically about the article are you choosing to take issue with?

Cause it seems like your response is “a woman wrote it so how much could she really know”.

And let’s not pretend that isn’t what you just did.

[NYCardsFan]

the tank, if he reads this, is really not gonna like it

Woo is a baseball expert?

What specifically about the article are you choosing to take issue with?

Cause it seems like your response is “a woman wrote it so how much could she really know”.

And let’s not pretend that isn’t what you just did.

Tank should really enjoy the companion piece from last year: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/579826 ... -mozeliak/

[CardsBest]

How in the [fork] was Mo not fired by Dewitt years ago.

These four quotes.

1. Last season, the Cardinals had the fewest full-time coordinators in baseball with five. Most MLB teams had staffing in the double digits.
2. Cards are upgrading technology that most teams already had in place
3. After not carrying a catching coordinator for years, St. Louis brought in Ethan Goforth from the Pittsburgh Pirates.
4. The organization will also begin implementing biomechanics with ball flight metrics, something Pierpont says the best teams are leveraging.

Mo and his smug (donkey) let this organization fall far behind other organizations in development. He should have been fired years ago.

[hmoss859]

Mo does nothing without BDW stamp of approval

Don’t you know that? Everybody else does!

[cardsfaninla]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/622936 ... ed_article

Pretty good read on the changes that they are making and the new guys, Rob Cerfolio (A-GM/Director of player development), Larry Day (Farm Director), Carl Kochan (Director of player performance), and Matt Pierpont (Director of pitching).

This K Woo article should be required reading if you want to post in CT. Many thanks!

We're it not paywalled I would agree....
But, it is.
On a less detailed level I love the new blood!

[hugeCardfan]

Folks act like they have no idea how a baseball operation works. Mo is the architect and DeWitt is the financier. DeWitt tells Mo how much he has to work with and Mo figures out where to apply the resources. DeWitt’s involvement in operational decisions has declined dramatically since the days he played a major role in emasculating Jocketty and boosting Luhnow while invigorating the International reach. As DeWitt has aged he’s become less involved in daily decisions and more attuned to the bottom line. He has allowed his inexperienced son, perhaps incapable son, to step into daily discussions with Mo who already had an established procedure with III’s father. III was at a huge disadvantage trying to shore the greatness of what was with what is.

DeWitt’s disappointment with dwindling TV revenue impacted the dollar figure funneled into the team coffers. Mo succumbed to outside pressures by allocating monies to payroll and allowing critical investments into infrastructure to shrink. My guess is that Mo misjudged how long it would take for the team to falter. I’m sure he’d hoped he could retire in ‘25 without the ignominious ‘23 season. We can only guess how Mo and Schildt reached their impasse; but remember that Schildt was the proponent of the Kissel way of doing business. Was it “fundamental” differences? Certainly irreconcilable differences that cost Schildt his job.

To blame DeWitt directly for the dissolution of the Cardinals system shows a lack of understanding on the critics part. DeWitt pays people handsomely to run operations. What we don’t know is whether DeWitt should have seen the signs along the way. My guess is that Schildt took his concerns about the operational dissolution directly to DeWitt forcing a showdown between POBO and manager. The wrong guy got the axe. But it would have been a toughie to decide to fire the POBO after a dramatic season, including a 17 game win streak, and a trip to the postseason.

Mo has been skating on thin ice for years. The decline of Goldy and Arenado along with the inability to buy FA pitching exposed the emperors nakedness a little earlier than Mo had hoped. The infrastructure was denuded and it became obvious to everyone. Finally DeWitt found himself facing a fan crisis and a very unpopular POBO.

Chaim is a good and timely solution since he knows what is missing in the infrastructure and has shown a talent to develop prospects. Credit DeWitt for finding a palatable solution quickly while chastising him for the breakdown in the first place. As resources pour into the infrastructure side, player payroll will suffer. Hopefully there is enough young and inexpensive talent from within to maintain competitiveness. I think there is and movement is in the right direction.

Deriding DeWitt is a fool’s quest. He owns the team and doesn’t answer to a board. New policies will be in place with Chaim and I wouldn’t be expecting any Goldy or Arenado deals any time soon. If you haven’t the patience to watch the reformation, find another team to root for. Otherwise stay tuned. He will die and III will have to decide what resources to apply and/or whether to sell.

We’ve seen many down decades of an organization that refuses to die. Why should this be any different?

[Quincy Varnish]

Folks act like they have no idea how a baseball operation works. Mo is the architect and DeWitt is the financier. DeWitt tells Mo how much he has to work with and Mo figures out where to apply the resources. DeWitt’s involvement in operational decisions has declined dramatically since the days he played a major role in emasculating Jocketty and boosting Luhnow while invigorating the International reach. As DeWitt has aged he’s become less involved in daily decisions and more attuned to the bottom line. He has allowed his inexperienced son, perhaps incapable son, to step into daily discussions with Mo who already had an established procedure with III’s father. III was at a huge disadvantage trying to shore the greatness of what was with what is.

DeWitt’s disappointment with dwindling TV revenue impacted the dollar figure funneled into the team coffers. Mo succumbed to outside pressures by allocating monies to payroll and allowing critical investments into infrastructure to shrink. My guess is that Mo misjudged how long it would take for the team to falter. I’m sure he’d hoped he could retire in ‘25 without the ignominious ‘23 season. We can only guess how Mo and Schildt reached their impasse; but remember that Schildt was the proponent of the Kissel way of doing business. Was it “fundamental” differences? Certainly irreconcilable differences that cost Schildt his job.

To blame DeWitt directly for the dissolution of the Cardinals system shows a lack of understanding on the critics part. DeWitt pays people handsomely to run operations. What we don’t know is whether DeWitt should have seen the signs along the way. My guess is that Schildt took his concerns about the operational dissolution directly to DeWitt forcing a showdown between POBO and manager. The wrong guy got the axe. But it would have been a toughie to decide to fire the POBO after a dramatic season, including a 17 game win streak, and a trip to the postseason.

Mo has been skating on thin ice for years. The decline of Goldy and Arenado along with the inability to buy FA pitching exposed the emperors nakedness a little earlier than Mo had hoped. The infrastructure was denuded and it became obvious to everyone. Finally DeWitt found himself facing a fan crisis and a very unpopular POBO.

Chaim is a good and timely solution since he knows what is missing in the infrastructure and has shown a talent to develop prospects. Credit DeWitt for finding a palatable solution quickly while chastising him for the breakdown in the first place. As resources pour into the infrastructure side, player payroll will suffer. Hopefully there is enough young and inexpensive talent from within to maintain competitiveness. I think there is and movement is in the right direction.

Deriding DeWitt is a fool’s quest. He owns the team and doesn’t answer to a board. New policies will be in place with Chaim and I wouldn’t be expecting any Goldy or Arenado deals any time soon. If you haven’t the patience to watch the reformation, find another team to root for. Otherwise stay tuned. He will die and III will have to decide what resources to apply and/or whether to sell.

We’ve seen many down decades of an organization that refuses to die. Why should this be any different?

Lordy… and you accuse others of gobbledygook.

[mytake]

Folks act like they have no idea how a baseball operation works. Mo is the architect and DeWitt is the financier. DeWitt tells Mo how much he has to work with and Mo figures out where to apply the resources. DeWitt’s involvement in operational decisions has declined dramatically since the days he played a major role in emasculating Jocketty and boosting Luhnow while invigorating the International reach. As DeWitt has aged he’s become less involved in daily decisions and more attuned to the bottom line. He has allowed his inexperienced son, perhaps incapable son, to step into daily discussions with Mo who already had an established procedure with III’s father. III was at a huge disadvantage trying to shore the greatness of what was with what is.

DeWitt’s disappointment with dwindling TV revenue impacted the dollar figure funneled into the team coffers. Mo succumbed to outside pressures by allocating monies to payroll and allowing critical investments into infrastructure to shrink. My guess is that Mo misjudged how long it would take for the team to falter. I’m sure he’d hoped he could retire in ‘25 without the ignominious ‘23 season. We can only guess how Mo and Schildt reached their impasse; but remember that Schildt was the proponent of the Kissel way of doing business. Was it “fundamental” differences? Certainly irreconcilable differences that cost Schildt his job.

To blame DeWitt directly for the dissolution of the Cardinals system shows a lack of understanding on the critics part. DeWitt pays people handsomely to run operations. What we don’t know is whether DeWitt should have seen the signs along the way. My guess is that Schildt took his concerns about the operational dissolution directly to DeWitt forcing a showdown between POBO and manager. The wrong guy got the axe. But it would have been a toughie to decide to fire the POBO after a dramatic season, including a 17 game win streak, and a trip to the postseason.

Mo has been skating on thin ice for years. The decline of Goldy and Arenado along with the inability to buy FA pitching exposed the emperors nakedness a little earlier than Mo had hoped. The infrastructure was denuded and it became obvious to everyone. Finally DeWitt found himself facing a fan crisis and a very unpopular POBO.

Chaim is a good and timely solution since he knows what is missing in the infrastructure and has shown a talent to develop prospects. Credit DeWitt for finding a palatable solution quickly while chastising him for the breakdown in the first place. As resources pour into the infrastructure side, player payroll will suffer. Hopefully there is enough young and inexpensive talent from within to maintain competitiveness. I think there is and movement is in the right direction.

Deriding DeWitt is a fool’s quest. He owns the team and doesn’t answer to a board. New policies will be in place with Chaim and I wouldn’t be expecting any Goldy or Arenado deals any time soon. If you haven’t the patience to watch the reformation, find another team to root for. Otherwise stay tuned. He will die and III will have to decide what resources to apply and/or whether to sell.

We’ve seen many down decades of an organization that refuses to die. Why should this be any different?

This all seems plausible, but I wonder if Mozeliak blackmailed DeWitt over Hackgate. The lack of accountability for Mozeliak's incompetent player evaluations makes me wonder.

[BrockFloodMaris]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/622936 ... ed_article

Pretty good read on the changes that they are making and the new guys, Rob Cerfolio (A-GM/Director of player development), Larry Day (Farm Director), Carl Kochan (Director of player performance), and Matt Pierpont (Director of pitching).

This K Woo article should be required reading if you want to post in CT. Many thanks!

We're it not paywalled I would agree....
But, it is.
On a less detailed level I love the new blood!

I know the Times/Athletic is usually by subscription only, but I got straight into this article.

[AnExParrot]

the tank, if he reads this, is really not gonna like it

Woo is a baseball expert?

You are?

[An Old Friend]

the tank, if he reads this, is really not gonna like it

Woo is a baseball expert?

You are?

He’s an idiot who wants to toss away the info because it was reported by a woman. He’s likely an incel.

[Ron Gant's Bicep]

Folks act like they have no idea how a baseball operation works. Mo is the architect and DeWitt is the financier. DeWitt tells Mo how much he has to work with and Mo figures out where to apply the resources. DeWitt’s involvement in operational decisions has declined dramatically since the days he played a major role in emasculating Jocketty and boosting Luhnow while invigorating the International reach. As DeWitt has aged he’s become less involved in daily decisions and more attuned to the bottom line. He has allowed his inexperienced son, perhaps incapable son, to step into daily discussions with Mo who already had an established procedure with III’s father. III was at a huge disadvantage trying to shore the greatness of what was with what is.

DeWitt’s disappointment with dwindling TV revenue impacted the dollar figure funneled into the team coffers. Mo succumbed to outside pressures by allocating monies to payroll and allowing critical investments into infrastructure to shrink. My guess is that Mo misjudged how long it would take for the team to falter. I’m sure he’d hoped he could retire in ‘25 without the ignominious ‘23 season. We can only guess how Mo and Schildt reached their impasse; but remember that Schildt was the proponent of the Kissel way of doing business. Was it “fundamental” differences? Certainly irreconcilable differences that cost Schildt his job.

To blame DeWitt directly for the dissolution of the Cardinals system shows a lack of understanding on the critics part. DeWitt pays people handsomely to run operations. What we don’t know is whether DeWitt should have seen the signs along the way. My guess is that Schildt took his concerns about the operational dissolution directly to DeWitt forcing a showdown between POBO and manager. The wrong guy got the axe. But it would have been a toughie to decide to fire the POBO after a dramatic season, including a 17 game win streak, and a trip to the postseason.

Mo has been skating on thin ice for years. The decline of Goldy and Arenado along with the inability to buy FA pitching exposed the emperors nakedness a little earlier than Mo had hoped. The infrastructure was denuded and it became obvious to everyone. Finally DeWitt found himself facing a fan crisis and a very unpopular POBO.

Chaim is a good and timely solution since he knows what is missing in the infrastructure and has shown a talent to develop prospects. Credit DeWitt for finding a palatable solution quickly while chastising him for the breakdown in the first place. As resources pour into the infrastructure side, player payroll will suffer. Hopefully there is enough young and inexpensive talent from within to maintain competitiveness. I think there is and movement is in the right direction.

Deriding DeWitt is a fool’s quest. He owns the team and doesn’t answer to a board. New policies will be in place with Chaim and I wouldn’t be expecting any Goldy or Arenado deals any time soon. If you haven’t the patience to watch the reformation, find another team to root for. Otherwise stay tuned. He will die and III will have to decide what resources to apply and/or whether to sell.

We’ve seen many down decades of an organization that refuses to die. Why should this be any different?

Hard disagree. Mo and Dewitt have been a partnership but Dewitt controls the coffers. When the team had success, both credited the other for their role in achieving that success. Every news conference announcing major moves involves Dewitt and Mo. That is not the norm for many pro sports organizations and Dewitt was certainly not shy in interviews discussing his role in personnel and organizational decisions over the years. He is more involved than most owners and that is a big reason why Mo has survived with his job in recent years. Both have collaborated to enable the organization's downfall, and both should share the blame.

That said, I agree Dewitt has aged and now seems lost. The end of season presser announcing the "reset" was depressing and concerning. He did not look or sound like someone who should be running a pro sports team. It would not surprise me if we start seeing less and less of him. That said, the nepo baby son seems even more incompetent than him and I fear what that means for the direction of the team moving forward.

[Rojo Johnson]

The Moe/Bill Clown Show is about dead. We only have to suffer one more season. Then, Moe will slither back into his hole never to be heard from again and The Tank2 will be responsible for feeding it. Oh happy day.

[Banner29]

the tank, if he reads this, is really not gonna like it

Woo is a baseball expert?

You’re such a pouty girl