I sure hope Winn is going to flip the switch when the season starts for real

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Re: I sure hope Winn is going to flip the switch when the season starts for real

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Baseball Savant wrote: 23 Mar 2025 11:44 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 23 Mar 2025 08:55 am
Baseball Savant wrote: 23 Mar 2025 00:37 am Observation he started jacking balls late last year and got in a mechanical funk

His swing was fine until the long balls came

Watch the videos between 2024 and 2025

He is pull happy, off balance and is making weak contact

Why can’t the coaches get thru to him or do they even try?

Hate to see a great talent go into a funk - there is no accountability in this organization
You realize players have to accept and take the messaging from coaches? :roll:
You should realize the player is accountable to improve, but the tail wags dog in the organization

Winn is a brilliant talent but needs a come to Jesus meeting
I agree. In that meeting he needs to tell oli he ain’t a lead off hitter.
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Re: I sure hope Winn is going to flip the switch when the season starts for real

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It might be prudent to NOT expect any switch flipping.

I just hope his D does not suffer if his O slumps.
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Re: I sure hope Winn is going to flip the switch when the season starts for real

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2ninr wrote: 23 Mar 2025 08:25 am
Jatalk wrote: 23 Mar 2025 07:35 am Winn can have a bad offensive year and still be the least of teams problems. Without offensive production from NA, WC, Gorman, Walker, Noot team will have issues. Winns bat was never going to carry this team.
True. But if he has a horrible year offensively and Westherholt has a good year and advances quickly to aaa, Winn might need to be looking behind his back. Especially if Gorman comes around. Or Saggese has a big year in aaa. Or if Scott arrives and we're looking for at bats for Donovan. I'm a fan of Winn. I think he will come around. But if he doesn't, he's not like the big contracts we play regardless of their performance. And we don't need to trade or sign a guy in free agency to replace him. If Westherholt is ready and Winn isn't performing, he's on shaky ground.
I think you are exactly right and nothing wrong with Winn being pushed. I’m just not going to let his second year define him. I’m a big believer in sophomore jinx.
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Re: I sure hope Winn is going to flip the switch when the season starts for real

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Jatalk wrote: 23 Mar 2025 15:00 pm
2ninr wrote: 23 Mar 2025 08:25 am
Jatalk wrote: 23 Mar 2025 07:35 am Winn can have a bad offensive year and still be the least of teams problems. Without offensive production from NA, WC, Gorman, Walker, Noot team will have issues. Winns bat was never going to carry this team.
True. But if he has a horrible year offensively and Westherholt has a good year and advances quickly to aaa, Winn might need to be looking behind his back. Especially if Gorman comes around. Or Saggese has a big year in aaa. Or if Scott arrives and we're looking for at bats for Donovan. I'm a fan of Winn. I think he will come around. But if he doesn't, he's not like the big contracts we play regardless of their performance. And we don't need to trade or sign a guy in free agency to replace him. If Westherholt is ready and Winn isn't performing, he's on shaky ground.
I think you are exactly right and nothing wrong with Winn being pushed. I’m just not going to let his second year define him. I’m a big believer in sophomore jinx.
I think he will heat up with the weather. It's probably a combination of things. I think he's gotten into some bad habits. He hasn't forgotten how to hit. When the games start counting and he still is hitting poorly in a month than I'm concerned.
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Re: I sure hope Winn is going to flip the switch when the season starts for real

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scoutyjones2 wrote: 23 Mar 2025 08:53 am
Baseball Savant wrote: 22 Mar 2025 19:30 pm Got homer happy and yet no one in organization has confronted him to correct

Players and coaching failure in progress
You know this how?
Observation I don’t have to be in clubhouse to see the problems with Winn

Try critical thinking it will open your mind
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jbrach wrote: 22 Mar 2025 13:48 pm he is supposed to be a cornerstone player going forward
According to whom?

I don’t think he’ll ever hit enough to be that, but even if he’s just average with the bat he can still be a good player
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Re: I sure hope Winn is going to flip the switch when the season starts for real

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I’m not terribly concerned yet, it’s spring training and these players are human. And they are working every day to improve and sometimes it does click and they go on runs. So far every player no matter how good or bad they are in spring training start out at .000/.000/.000 with 0 HRs and 0 RBI and 0 Runs on opening day. Obviously you do want to see them show some success in spring training, but it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day as long as they are putting in the work and trying to get better.
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Re: I sure hope Winn is going to flip the switch when the season starts for real

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ramfandan wrote: 22 Mar 2025 16:33 pm As Winn freely admitted in recent articles, He came into camp with idea on working on pulling the ball to get more HR's .
That is not what Brown was anticipating as Brownie was very pleased with Winn going to the opposite field in 2024 where his batting average soared.
If he could flip the switch quickly , he would have done it this past week. Seems obvious , he developed some bad habit(s) at the plate.
Hoping that Brown can get him back on track but it's going to be up to Winn to battle out of this . A coach does not hold and swing the bat for you.
If true, it was a stupid decision by Winn. He is not a HR guy. Besides, the pull and crank philosophy is not a good idea in MLB. Look at Gorman. These guys should utilize their strengths. Winn needs to focus on hitting to all fields. Gorman needs to focus on contact.

It sounds like Brown has a better philosophy than we've tried to incorporate the last few years. Hopefully these bone heads listen and make some changes.
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Re: I sure hope Winn is going to flip the switch when the season starts for real

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JuanAgosto wrote: 24 Mar 2025 00:05 am
ramfandan wrote: 22 Mar 2025 16:33 pm As Winn freely admitted in recent articles, He came into camp with idea on working on pulling the ball to get more HR's .
That is not what Brown was anticipating as Brownie was very pleased with Winn going to the opposite field in 2024 where his batting average soared.
If he could flip the switch quickly , he would have done it this past week. Seems obvious , he developed some bad habit(s) at the plate.
Hoping that Brown can get him back on track but it's going to be up to Winn to battle out of this . A coach does not hold and swing the bat for you.
If true, it was a stupid decision by Winn. He is not a HR guy. Besides, the pull and crank philosophy is not a good idea in MLB. Look at Gorman. These guys should utilize their strengths. Winn needs to focus on hitting to all fields. Gorman needs to focus on contact.

It sounds like Brown has a better philosophy than we've tried to incorporate the last few years. Hopefully these bone heads listen and make some changes.
Browns philosophy is nothing new or different
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