I guess we're down to Scott v Siani and Pallante v McGreevy

[Strummer Jones]

I seem to think that Fermin got the job over Barrero. If we bring Barrero north, we've got to keep him all year. Read an article here on that.

Feels like Siani will probably get the nod.

Also saw that Pallante is going north and in the rotation. I think it's coming down to McGreevy v. another relief pitcher. Maybe Roycroft.

unless they go with 6-man rotation

Right, but the six-man rotation effectively makes it a McGreevy v. relief pitcher battle. He's coming at the expense of one of those guys.

[Cusecards]

I seem to think that Fermin got the job over Barrero. If we bring Barrero north, we've got to keep him all year. Read an article here on that.

Feels like Siani will probably get the nod.

Also saw that Pallante is going north and in the rotation. I think it's coming down to McGreevy v. another relief pitcher. Maybe Roycroft.

I try not to overreact to opening day and who makes it and who doesn’t.
That being said:
Was glad to see they could send Barrero to Memphis and not lose him.
Scott clearly has outplayed Siani and he has the higher ceiling for sure.
My question? If they plan on giving Noot extensive looks in CF to start the year I would send Scott down and give him the PT. Siani can be a placeholder.
As for a six man rotation?
I have concerns for the start of the season when starters are on a tighter pitch count.
One more SP means one less RP plus it figures that the BP will have to cover more innings with the tighter pitch count.
Good dialogue.

[brock118]

I seem to think that Fermin got the job over Barrero. If we bring Barrero north, we've got to keep him all year. Read an article here on that.

Feels like Siani will probably get the nod.

Also saw that Pallante is going north and in the rotation. I think it's coming down to McGreevy v. another relief pitcher. Maybe Roycroft.

Strummer do you have a link to that article on Barrero?

[CCard]

I think Barrero was optioned to the minors. As for Scott vs Siani, it's no contest. Scott 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. As for Pallante vs McGreevy, I think I heard they were toying with a 6 man rotation. That being said, one of these pitchers will go down soon enough and it'll be a moot point.

[Strummer Jones]

I seem to think that Fermin got the job over Barrero. If we bring Barrero north, we've got to keep him all year. Read an article here on that.

Feels like Siani will probably get the nod.

Also saw that Pallante is going north and in the rotation. I think it's coming down to McGreevy v. another relief pitcher. Maybe Roycroft.

Strummer do you have a link to that article on Barrero?

Yeah, it was in the STLPD: https://www.stltoday.com/sports/profess ... 0e91d.html

Personally, I think that's kind of a dumb thing. If he's good enough, then he should go north. If he goes north and struggles, then what's the problem with possibly losing him through waivers?

[rockondlouie]

C-Herrera
1B-Contreras
2B-Gorman
SS-Winn
3B-Arenado
LF-Donovan
CF-Nootbaar
RF-Walker
DH-Burleson

Bench = Pages, Baker, Barrero, ?

SP-Gray
SP-Fedde
SP-Mikolas
SP-Matz
SP-?

RP = Helsley, Romero, Fernandez, Maton, Libby, King, Roycroft, Leahy

I think Noot starts out in CF because that's the only way to get Gorman, Walker and Burleson in the lineup.
Gorman and Walker are going to play almost everyday, and I don't see them benching Burly against RH.
So, My guess is Siani gets the 4th OF spot so Scott can play everyday in Memphis.

The 5th SP will be Pallante, but I see McGreevy getting plenty of starts this year.

The only thing remaining is how they get Barrero on the 40man.
Thompson to 60 day IL or place someone on waivers.

In no other organization in MLB would there even be a debate about VSII v Siani, shows just how low Mo's baseball IQ has fallen (not sure Oli ever had one).

And if Pallante's 2024 work, as well as McGreevy's (albet brief) didn't earn them BOTH a SR spot over Steven "I'll see you in a few weeks IL" Matz, well more proof how dumb this organization has become.

[ecleme22]

C-Herrera
1B-Contreras
2B-Gorman
SS-Winn
3B-Arenado
LF-Donovan
CF-Nootbaar
RF-Walker
DH-Burleson

Bench = Pages, Baker, Barrero, ?

SP-Gray
SP-Fedde
SP-Mikolas
SP-Matz
SP-?

RP = Helsley, Romero, Fernandez, Maton, Libby, King, Roycroft, Leahy

I think Noot starts out in CF because that's the only way to get Gorman, Walker and Burleson in the lineup.
Gorman and Walker are going to play almost everyday, and I don't see them benching Burly against RH.
So, My guess is Siani gets the 4th OF spot so Scott can play everyday in Memphis.

The 5th SP will be Pallante, but I see McGreevy getting plenty of starts this year.

The only thing remaining is how they get Barrero on the 40man.
Thompson to 60 day IL or place someone on waivers.

In no other organization in MLB would there even be a debate about VSII v Siani, shows just how low Mo's baseball IQ has fallen (not sure Oli ever had one).

And if Pallante's 2024 work, as well as McGreevy's (albet brief) didn't earn them BOTH a SR spot over Steven "I'll see you in a few weeks IL" Matz, well more proof how dumb this organization has become.

Just because Matz is in the rotation open day doesn’t mean he’s in the rotation forever.

Also, maybe Gray is injured. Maybe Miko pitches like Waino ‘23.

We have no idea what the weakest link is. Maybe it’s not Matz…

[Futuregm2]

C-Herrera
1B-Contreras
2B-Gorman
SS-Winn
3B-Arenado
LF-Donovan
CF-Nootbaar
RF-Walker
DH-Burleson

Bench = Pages, Baker, Barrero, ?

SP-Gray
SP-Fedde
SP-Mikolas
SP-Matz
SP-?

RP = Helsley, Romero, Fernandez, Maton, Libby, King, Roycroft, Leahy

I think Noot starts out in CF because that's the only way to get Gorman, Walker and Burleson in the lineup.
Gorman and Walker are going to play almost everyday, and I don't see them benching Burly against RH.
So, My guess is Siani gets the 4th OF spot so Scott can play everyday in Memphis.

The 5th SP will be Pallante, but I see McGreevy getting plenty of starts this year.

The only thing remaining is how they get Barrero on the 40man.
Thompson to 60 day IL or place someone on waivers.

In no other organization in MLB would there even be a debate about VSII v Siani, shows just how low Mo's baseball IQ has fallen (not sure Oli ever had one).

And if Pallante's 2024 work, as well as McGreevy's (albet brief) didn't earn them BOTH a SR spot over Steven "I'll see you in a few weeks IL" Matz, well more proof how dumb this organization has become.

Just because Matz is in the rotation open day doesn’t mean he’s in the rotation forever.

Also, maybe Gray is injured. Maybe Miko pitches like Waino ‘23.

We have no idea what the weakest link is. Maybe it’s not Matz…

Pretty sure the weakest link will be the guy that has the 2nd worst ERA in baseball over the last 2 seasons.

[ClassicO]

I think there’s a good chance both Siani & Scott make the roster. If not, it’s Scott.

I can't see both, but I'm often wrong. They have to try Scott, as they really can't believe Siani's ineptitude at the dish will improve. He's never really hit (.547 OPS in 141 MLB games and .698 OPS in parts of 6 years in the minors).

[rockondlouie]

C-Herrera
1B-Contreras
2B-Gorman
SS-Winn
3B-Arenado
LF-Donovan
CF-Nootbaar
RF-Walker
DH-Burleson

Bench = Pages, Baker, Barrero, ?

SP-Gray
SP-Fedde
SP-Mikolas
SP-Matz
SP-?

RP = Helsley, Romero, Fernandez, Maton, Libby, King, Roycroft, Leahy

I think Noot starts out in CF because that's the only way to get Gorman, Walker and Burleson in the lineup.
Gorman and Walker are going to play almost everyday, and I don't see them benching Burly against RH.
So, My guess is Siani gets the 4th OF spot so Scott can play everyday in Memphis.

The 5th SP will be Pallante, but I see McGreevy getting plenty of starts this year.

The only thing remaining is how they get Barrero on the 40man.
Thompson to 60 day IL or place someone on waivers.

In no other organization in MLB would there even be a debate about VSII v Siani, shows just how low Mo's baseball IQ has fallen (not sure Oli ever had one).

And if Pallante's 2024 work, as well as McGreevy's (albet brief) didn't earn them BOTH a SR spot over Steven "I'll see you in a few weeks IL" Matz, well more proof how dumb this organization has become.

Just because Matz is in the rotation open day doesn’t mean he’s in the rotation forever.

Also, maybe Gray is injured. Maybe Miko pitches like Waino ‘23.

We have no idea what the weakest link is. Maybe it’s not Matz…

Pretty sure the weakest link will be the guy that has the 2nd worst ERA in baseball over the last 2 seasons.

Too bad Mo (foolishly) gave him the NTC, which we all know he'd exercise, if they could (doubtful) even find a taker by paying 75% of his deal.

I'd DFA him by Memorial Day if he's carrying anything close to that 5.04 ERA he's posted over the last two season.

Matz is a much better pitcher, just can't stay healthy.

[Quincy Varnish]

I think there’s a good chance both Siani & Scott make the roster. If not, it’s Scott.

I can't see both, but I'm often wrong. They have to try Scott, as they really can't believe Siani's ineptitude at the dish will improve. He's never really hit (.547 OPS in 141 MLB games and .698 OPS in parts of 6 years in the minors).

You could be right. It’s not particularly logical to have both of them on the 26, but I’ve learned to expect otherwise.

[VegasVinny]

To not move any of the starters, even for peanuts, to clear the way for both Pallante and McGreevy to be in the rotation says a lot about their stated goals for this year.

This. It's very frustrating. The team all but came out and said the results of this season are secondary to cutting payroll. Most fans are expecting a sub-.500 year and yet two spots in our rotation are getting utterly wasted on pitchers who will contribute exactly nothing to the organization's next chapter. Poetic ending to the past decade, I suppose.

[Strummer Jones]

C-Herrera
1B-Contreras
2B-Gorman
SS-Winn
3B-Arenado
LF-Donovan
CF-Nootbaar
RF-Walker
DH-Burleson

Bench = Pages, Baker, Barrero, ?

SP-Gray
SP-Fedde
SP-Mikolas
SP-Matz
SP-?

RP = Helsley, Romero, Fernandez, Maton, Libby, King, Roycroft, Leahy

I think Noot starts out in CF because that's the only way to get Gorman, Walker and Burleson in the lineup.
Gorman and Walker are going to play almost everyday, and I don't see them benching Burly against RH.
So, My guess is Siani gets the 4th OF spot so Scott can play everyday in Memphis.

The 5th SP will be Pallante, but I see McGreevy getting plenty of starts this year.

The only thing remaining is how they get Barrero on the 40man.
Thompson to 60 day IL or place someone on waivers.

In no other organization in MLB would there even be a debate about VSII v Siani, shows just how low Mo's baseball IQ has fallen (not sure Oli ever had one).

And if Pallante's 2024 work, as well as McGreevy's (albet brief) didn't earn them BOTH a SR spot over Steven "I'll see you in a few weeks IL" Matz, well more proof how dumb this organization has become.

Just because Matz is in the rotation open day doesn’t mean he’s in the rotation forever.

Also, maybe Gray is injured. Maybe Miko pitches like Waino ‘23.

We have no idea what the weakest link is. Maybe it’s not Matz…

Pretty sure the weakest link will be the guy that has the 2nd worst ERA in baseball over the last 2 seasons.

Too bad Mo (foolishly) gave him the NTC, which we all know he'd exercise, if they could (doubtful) even find a taker by paying 75% of his deal.

I'd DFA him by Memorial Day if he's carrying anything close to that 5.04 ERA he's posted over the last two season.

Matz is a much better pitcher, just can't stay healthy.

If I had to bet on either Matz or Mikolas to have a decent season, it's Matz all day long. Despite everything, he's got good stuff. And he's probably got the most to gain with a good year, too. He could conceivably bring in one more multi-year deal before he gets too old. Mikolas is already too old.

[icon]

Starting Nootbaar in CF is stupid for 3 reasons. First, it leaves no room for Scott, who supposedly is the future. Why not find out whether the future is now in a so-called reset? Second, Nootbaar has been beset with injuries in his short career, and playing CF will expose him to more than in LF. Third, he's not that great in CF.

And what is so great about Burly? Let Gorman mostly DH and Donovan play 2B. It might even help Gorman if he can focus more on hitting, because obviously that needs focus. Burly can be a bench bat who can back up at corner OF or 1B or DH. He'll still probably get plenty of PAs in that role.

And Donovan does not need to face a lot of LHP. He has 0 HRs in his career vs. LHP. Is that what you want in an everyday corner OF?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Scott earned that everyday cf job. So we are going to send him down without giving him another shot because we don't want to move around a bunch of platoon players? Did anyone read the rankings of the first 5 tiers of major league starters?

I've long ago given up on Mozeliak and by extension Marmol doing the right thing. Arrogance, intransigence and misvaluation are 3 of Mozeliak's inglorious hallmarks.

[BrummerStealsHome]

Scott, obviously

As to the pitching, McGreevey needs to be in the starting rotation this year, but it would be stupid to put Pallante back in the BP. I think there's a good chance one of the four other starters will be injured by May, so a McGreevey trip to Memphis would be relatively short.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

If I had to bet on either Matz or Mikolas to have a decent season, it's Matz all day long. Despite everything, he's got good stuff. And he's probably got the most to gain with a good year, too. He could conceivably bring in one more multi-year deal before he gets too old. Mikolas is already too old.

His good stuff might result in a better year. No debate on that. But I never understood the concept that because a guy is in a contract year he can supposedly turn it up a notch for a payday. If they had the ability to turn it up a notch they would do it every year. All of these guys are competitors or they wouldn't make the majors. And none of them like to suck in front of 1000's of fans.