Victor Scott has earned a spot on this team

[Ozziesfan41]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

So you don't think that centerfield where you have to cover far more ground then left or right field is a more demanding position? The angels are moving trout from center to right just so they can try and keep him more healthy. And why would you send him down after a month? They are committing to the young players this season they are giving Gorman who sucked at AAA last season and sucked in the majors and has sucked in spring training 500-600 at bats same with walker. Might as well give the best overall centerfielder the same. But you advocate the worst line up thats cool you have your opinion i have mine

Or maybe trout is aging and has regressed in CF. Hes 33. And there’s just no evidence to prove that he would have had fewer injuries if he had played a corner OF position. Yes, CF is more demanding but this isn’t football. It’s literally running. I doubt the risk of injury is substantially higher.

If Scott opens as the CFer, then I guess Burleson, who had an .800 ops against rhp last season is the odd man out? There’s a trade off here, and it would come at his expense. You fell in love with Scott’s ST. That’s fine. Maybe he has become a .350 hitter all the sudden. That would be great.

Trout and the Angels said it was for health reasons. Trout said it would help him save his legs. So maybe major league teams and players are wrong that center is more demanding and takes more of a toll on the body and Woofy is right but I doubt it

Ok, Mike trout has played more games than Lars Nootbaar has ABs. Comparing a guy who has played 1500 games to a guy who’s played less than 400 isn’t apples to apples. Find me a 27yr old who has been moved out of CF to preserve his health, not a guy who’s been playing CF for 14 seasons.

Well if a player is already injury prone seems kind of dumb to put them in center field no matter how young they are. But like i said Im sure you know more than baseball players and major league teams lol and it is apples to apples its two injury prone players one the team is correctly moving him from center field to try to keep him healthy the other is dumb enough to move him from corner outfielder where he is good defensively to center where he is not good defensively

[woofy25]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

So you don't think that centerfield where you have to cover far more ground then left or right field is a more demanding position? The angels are moving trout from center to right just so they can try and keep him more healthy. And why would you send him down after a month? They are committing to the young players this season they are giving Gorman who sucked at AAA last season and sucked in the majors and has sucked in spring training 500-600 at bats same with walker. Might as well give the best overall centerfielder the same. But you advocate the worst line up thats cool you have your opinion i have mine

Or maybe trout is aging and has regressed in CF. Hes 33. And there’s just no evidence to prove that he would have had fewer injuries if he had played a corner OF position. Yes, CF is more demanding but this isn’t football. It’s literally running. I doubt the risk of injury is substantially higher.

If Scott opens as the CFer, then I guess Burleson, who had an .800 ops against rhp last season is the odd man out? There’s a trade off here, and it would come at his expense. You fell in love with Scott’s ST. That’s fine. Maybe he has become a .350 hitter all the sudden. That would be great.

Trout and the Angels said it was for health reasons. Trout said it would help him save his legs. So maybe major league teams and players are wrong that center is more demanding and takes more of a toll on the body and Woofy is right but I doubt it

Ok, Mike trout has played more games than Lars Nootbaar has ABs. Comparing a guy who has played 1500 games to a guy who’s played less than 400 isn’t apples to apples. Find me a 27yr old who has been moved out of CF to preserve his health, not a guy who’s been playing CF for 14 seasons.

Well if a player is already injury prone seems kind of dumb to put them in center field no matter how young they are. But like i said Im sure you know more than baseball players and major league teams lol and it is apples to apples its two injury prone players one the team is correctly moving him from center field to try to keep him healthy the other is dumb enough to move him from corner outfielder where he is good defensively to center where he is not good defensively

Oh right. Bc this forum is for agreeing with every move mlb teams make, right? That’s what this whole thing is built on. Praise of the cardinals decisions.

The Angels are in no way gong to say they at least in part, are moving trout out of CF because of regression, but he has done that. And he has been injured a ton during his career. Why didn’t they move hom after his first 4-5 injuries? Why wait till season 15?

You still haven’t addressed the issue of who loses playing time. I guess it doesn’t matter, bc whatever decision the cardinals make it going to be one you agree with, considering you’re not smarter than them and all.

[riff raff]

6 fixed pieces with 7 players
C Herrera/Pages
1B Contreras
SS Winn
3B Arenado
UT Nootbar - can move around OF
UT Donovan - can move around IF/OF

3 available spots to fill with 6 more players

• Gorman and Walker are certainties.
• I think Baker makes it to platoon with Burleson at DH and #1PH.
• I think it is Siani vs Scott for the 4th OF spot which plays a lot. I hope both don't make the team.
  • This decision should be based on what is best for Scott's development, not who looks best in ST.
• I think it is Fermin vs Barrero for the backup IF spot.
  • Tie goes to Fermin since he's on the 40-man
  • Barrero plays better SS but Winn will rarely sit.
• I believe Koperniak and Saggese have already been optioned to AAA. It is never final but it means something.

There are many variations, here are a few:

1. No Scott
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Nootbar, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
2. No Gorman
   1. 2B Donovan, LF Nootbar, CF Scott, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
3. No Walker
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Scott, RF Nootbar, DH Burleson/Baker
4. More days available since Nootbar, Donovan will need some off days.

You could use them all and many more variations.

My favorite was to trade Burleson and play Baker at DH with Walker/Gorman occasionally filling in there which means less Gorman/Walker wearing a glove.

Why is Gorman a certainty. He shouldn't be. He should play in AAA until he proves something. Which he hasn't, last year or this spring.
Siani should go down as well. This [nonsense] of gifting guys jobs has got to stop.

[nighthawk]

Well, he's hitting .371/.476/.657/1.133 in 42 plate appearances with seven walks and seven strikeouts for a team that has a pretty low bar for "making the team." Not sure why his numbers wouldn't vault way above that "low bar."

[Ozziesfan41]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

So you don't think that centerfield where you have to cover far more ground then left or right field is a more demanding position? The angels are moving trout from center to right just so they can try and keep him more healthy. And why would you send him down after a month? They are committing to the young players this season they are giving Gorman who sucked at AAA last season and sucked in the majors and has sucked in spring training 500-600 at bats same with walker. Might as well give the best overall centerfielder the same. But you advocate the worst line up thats cool you have your opinion i have mine

Or maybe trout is aging and has regressed in CF. Hes 33. And there’s just no evidence to prove that he would have had fewer injuries if he had played a corner OF position. Yes, CF is more demanding but this isn’t football. It’s literally running. I doubt the risk of injury is substantially higher.

If Scott opens as the CFer, then I guess Burleson, who had an .800 ops against rhp last season is the odd man out? There’s a trade off here, and it would come at his expense. You fell in love with Scott’s ST. That’s fine. Maybe he has become a .350 hitter all the sudden. That would be great.

Trout and the Angels said it was for health reasons. Trout said it would help him save his legs. So maybe major league teams and players are wrong that center is more demanding and takes more of a toll on the body and Woofy is right but I doubt it

Ok, Mike trout has played more games than Lars Nootbaar has ABs. Comparing a guy who has played 1500 games to a guy who’s played less than 400 isn’t apples to apples. Find me a 27yr old who has been moved out of CF to preserve his health, not a guy who’s been playing CF for 14 seasons.

Well if a player is already injury prone seems kind of dumb to put them in center field no matter how young they are. But like i said Im sure you know more than baseball players and major league teams lol and it is apples to apples its two injury prone players one the team is correctly moving him from center field to try to keep him healthy the other is dumb enough to move him from corner outfielder where he is good defensively to center where he is not good defensively

Oh right. Bc this forum is for agreeing with every move mlb teams make, right? That’s what this whole thing is built on. Praise of the cardinals decisions.

The Angels are in no way gong to say they at least in part, are moving trout out of CF because of regression, but he has done that. And he has been injured a ton during his career. Why didn’t they move hom after his first 4-5 injuries? Why wait till season 15?

You still haven’t addressed the issue of who loses playing time. I guess it doesn’t matter, bc whatever decision the cardinals make it going to be one you agree with, considering you’re not smarter than them and all.

That’s fine if your disagree. If you’re asking why the angels didn’t do it so one number one because trout didn’t want to and they weren’t going to anger their star player. Gorman can lose playing time he sucked last season sucked in the minors and has sucked in spring training what has he proven why is he being gifted the job just because? What has he earned? If anything he should start at Memphis Donovan should play second noot in left and Scott in center.

[riff raff]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

So you don't think that centerfield where you have to cover far more ground then left or right field is a more demanding position? The angels are moving trout from center to right just so they can try and keep him more healthy. And why would you send him down after a month? They are committing to the young players this season they are giving Gorman who sucked at AAA last season and sucked in the majors and has sucked in spring training 500-600 at bats same with walker. Might as well give the best overall centerfielder the same. But you advocate the worst line up thats cool you have your opinion i have mine

Or maybe trout is aging and has regressed in CF. Hes 33. And there’s just no evidence to prove that he would have had fewer injuries if he had played a corner OF position. Yes, CF is more demanding but this isn’t football. It’s literally running. I doubt the risk of injury is substantially higher.

If Scott opens as the CFer, then I guess Burleson, who had an .800 ops against rhp last season is the odd man out? There’s a trade off here, and it would come at his expense. You fell in love with Scott’s ST. That’s fine. Maybe he has become a .350 hitter all the sudden. That would be great.

Trout and the Angels said it was for health reasons. Trout said it would help him save his legs. So maybe major league teams and players are wrong that center is more demanding and takes more of a toll on the body and Woofy is right but I doubt it

Ok, Mike trout has played more games than Lars Nootbaar has ABs. Comparing a guy who has played 1500 games to a guy who’s played less than 400 isn’t apples to apples. Find me a 27yr old who has been moved out of CF to preserve his health, not a guy who’s been playing CF for 14 seasons.

Well if a player is already injury prone seems kind of dumb to put them in center field no matter how young they are. But like i said Im sure you know more than baseball players and major league teams lol and it is apples to apples its two injury prone players one the team is correctly moving him from center field to try to keep him healthy the other is dumb enough to move him from corner outfielder where he is good defensively to center where he is not good defensively

Oh right. Bc this forum is for agreeing with every move mlb teams make, right? That’s what this whole thing is built on. Praise of the cardinals decisions.

The Angels are in no way gong to say they at least in part, are moving trout out of CF because of regression, but he has done that. And he has been injured a ton during his career. Why didn’t they move hom after his first 4-5 injuries? Why wait till season 15?

You still haven’t addressed the issue of who loses playing time. I guess it doesn’t matter, bc whatever decision the cardinals make it going to be one you agree with, considering you’re not smarter than them and all.

That’s fine if your disagree. If you’re asking why the angels didn’t do it so one number one because trout didn’t want to and they weren’t going to anger their star player. Gorman can lose playing time he sucked last season sucked in the minors and has sucked in spring training what has he proven why is he being gifted the job just because? What has he earned? If anything he should start at Memphis Donovan should play second noot in left and Scott in center.

Yep, that's exactly what should happen.

[woofy25]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

So you don't think that centerfield where you have to cover far more ground then left or right field is a more demanding position? The angels are moving trout from center to right just so they can try and keep him more healthy. And why would you send him down after a month? They are committing to the young players this season they are giving Gorman who sucked at AAA last season and sucked in the majors and has sucked in spring training 500-600 at bats same with walker. Might as well give the best overall centerfielder the same. But you advocate the worst line up thats cool you have your opinion i have mine

Or maybe trout is aging and has regressed in CF. Hes 33. And there’s just no evidence to prove that he would have had fewer injuries if he had played a corner OF position. Yes, CF is more demanding but this isn’t football. It’s literally running. I doubt the risk of injury is substantially higher.

If Scott opens as the CFer, then I guess Burleson, who had an .800 ops against rhp last season is the odd man out? There’s a trade off here, and it would come at his expense. You fell in love with Scott’s ST. That’s fine. Maybe he has become a .350 hitter all the sudden. That would be great.

Trout and the Angels said it was for health reasons. Trout said it would help him save his legs. So maybe major league teams and players are wrong that center is more demanding and takes more of a toll on the body and Woofy is right but I doubt it

Ok, Mike trout has played more games than Lars Nootbaar has ABs. Comparing a guy who has played 1500 games to a guy who’s played less than 400 isn’t apples to apples. Find me a 27yr old who has been moved out of CF to preserve his health, not a guy who’s been playing CF for 14 seasons.

Well if a player is already injury prone seems kind of dumb to put them in center field no matter how young they are. But like i said Im sure you know more than baseball players and major league teams lol and it is apples to apples its two injury prone players one the team is correctly moving him from center field to try to keep him healthy the other is dumb enough to move him from corner outfielder where he is good defensively to center where he is not good defensively

Oh right. Bc this forum is for agreeing with every move mlb teams make, right? That’s what this whole thing is built on. Praise of the cardinals decisions.

The Angels are in no way gong to say they at least in part, are moving trout out of CF because of regression, but he has done that. And he has been injured a ton during his career. Why didn’t they move hom after his first 4-5 injuries? Why wait till season 15?

You still haven’t addressed the issue of who loses playing time. I guess it doesn’t matter, bc whatever decision the cardinals make it going to be one you agree with, considering you’re not smarter than them and all.

That’s fine if your disagree. If you’re asking why the angels didn’t do it so one number one because trout didn’t want to and they weren’t going to anger their star player. Gorman can lose playing time he sucked last season sucked in the minors and has sucked in spring training what has he proven why is he being gifted the job just because? What has he earned? If anything he should start at Memphis Donovan should play second noot in left and Scott in center.

We certainly disagree. And you’re right. It’s perfectly ok. I appreciate the respectful debate, relative to an Internet forum. My last word on the subject is yes, Gorman deserves playing time over Scott. Scott had a very good 2023 in the minors. Gorman had an over .800 OPS in the majors. Both were bad in 2024, Scott mainly in the minors and Gorman mainly in the majors. It certainly seems to me Gorman deserves another chance before Scott. This is a make or break season for him, at least with this organization. Scott can produce in Memphis for two months, then be the CFer for hopefully 10 years. Just not in April 2025. A 213 hitter in the minors simply doesn’t earn a starting spot in the majors bc of a good spring. Just shouldn’t happen. And again, it’s Burleson who would lose ABs

[bfib]

Just hit another tank and they are going to send him down in favor of Siani. What a clown show

There is plenty of PT available for Scott, Burleson and Donovan. They just have to manage it, but that’s too hard for this staff apparently

[renostl]

Just hit another tank and they are going to send him down in favor of Siani. What a clown show

There is plenty of PT available for Scott, Burleson and Donovan. They just have to manage it, but that’s too hard for this staff apparently

They can send VS2 down but not because of Siani.
Agree that a 4th OF gets plenty of PT