Victor Scott has earned a spot on this team

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

Of players on Cards with at least Spring Training 30 ABs: Scott most hits, most runs, most stolen bases, highest Average, highest OBP, highest OPS.

Added muscle, improved pitch recognition, more controlled swing, etc..

IMO his Spring performance trumps a rough start last season because of the changes he made in the off season.

Trolls won't like your FACTS.

Knowledgeable fans will though.

[cardstatman]

6 fixed pieces with 7 players
C Herrera/Pages
1B Contreras
SS Winn
3B Arenado
UT Nootbar - can move around OF
UT Donovan - can move around IF/OF

3 available spots to fill with 6 more players

• Gorman and Walker are certainties.
• I think Baker makes it to platoon with Burleson at DH and #1PH.
• I think it is Siani vs Scott for the 4th OF spot which plays a lot. I hope both don't make the team.
  • This decision should be based on what is best for Scott's development, not who looks best in ST.
• I think it is Fermin vs Barrero for the backup IF spot.
  • Tie goes to Fermin since he's on the 40-man
  • Barrero plays better SS but Winn will rarely sit.
• I believe Koperniak and Saggese have already been optioned to AAA. It is never final but it means something.

There are many variations, here are a few:

1. No Scott
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Nootbar, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
2. No Gorman
   1. 2B Donovan, LF Nootbar, CF Scott, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
3. No Walker
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Scott, RF Nootbar, DH Burleson/Baker
4. More days available since Nootbar, Donovan will need some off days.

You could use them all and many more variations.

My favorite was to trade Burleson and play Baker at DH with Walker/Gorman occasionally filling in there which means less Gorman/Walker wearing a glove.

[woofy25]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

[JDW]

6 fixed pieces with 7 players
C Herrera/Pages
1B Contreras
SS Winn
3B Arenado
UT Nootbar - can move around OF
UT Donovan - can move around IF/OF

3 available spots to fill with 6 more players

• Gorman and Walker are certainties.
• I think Baker makes it to platoon with Burleson at DH and #1PH.
• I think it is Siani vs Scott for the 4th OF spot which plays a lot. I hope both don't make the team.
  • This decision should be based on what is best for Scott's development, not who looks best in ST.
• I think it is Fermin vs Barrero for the backup IF spot.
  • Tie goes to Fermin since he's on the 40-man
  • Barrero plays better SS but Winn will rarely sit.
• I believe Koperniak and Saggese have already been optioned to AAA. It is never final but it means something.

There are many variations, here are a few:

1. No Scott
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Nootbar, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
2. No Gorman
   1. 2B Donovan, LF Nootbar, CF Scott, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
3. No Walker
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Scott, RF Nootbar, DH Burleson/Baker
4. More days available since Nootbar, Donovan will need some off days.

You could use them all and many more variations.

My favorite was to trade Burleson and play Baker at DH with Walker/Gorman occasionally filling in there which means less Gorman/Walker wearing a glove.

Also my thinking to trade Burly while his value is decent, as the Cards have too many players with glove/position issues. Maybe/likely Burly's value will hold or even improve slightly if he performs well, but at some point the Cards need to decide which one of these type of players to keep and which ones to trade off.
As far as Scott, I sure won't be disappointed if he's the OD CF'er, but wouldn't argue much with those that thinks he needs to prove at Memphis he's more ready than he was last year for the show. Actually would be excited if he is the CF OD guy, but we'll find out soon and I won't argue much the decision. Siani provides some value and is still relatively young.

[PadsFS07]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

I completely agree.

[scoutyjones2]

6 fixed pieces with 7 players
C Herrera/Pages
1B Contreras
SS Winn
3B Arenado
UT Nootbar - can move around OF
UT Donovan - can move around IF/OF

3 available spots to fill with 6 more players

• Gorman and Walker are certainties.
• I think Baker makes it to platoon with Burleson at DH and #1PH.
• I think it is Siani vs Scott for the 4th OF spot which plays a lot. I hope both don't make the team.
  • This decision should be based on what is best for Scott's development, not who looks best in ST.
• I think it is Fermin vs Barrero for the backup IF spot.
  • Tie goes to Fermin since he's on the 40-man
  • Barrero plays better SS but Winn will rarely sit.
• I believe Koperniak and Saggese have already been optioned to AAA. It is never final but it means something.

There are many variations, here are a few:

1. No Scott
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Nootbar, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
2. No Gorman
   1. 2B Donovan, LF Nootbar, CF Scott, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
3. No Walker
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Scott, RF Nootbar, DH Burleson/Baker
4. More days available since Nootbar, Donovan will need some off days.

You could use them all and many more variations.

My favorite was to trade Burleson and play Baker at DH with Walker/Gorman occasionally filling in there which means less Gorman/Walker wearing a glove.

Why not trade UniKKKorn? Why Bumbles?

[Ozziesfan41]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

[woofy25]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

[Ozziesfan41]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

So you don't think that centerfield where you have to cover far more ground then left or right field is a more demanding position? The angels are moving trout from center to right just so they can try and keep him more healthy. And why would you send him down after a month? They are committing to the young players this season they are giving Gorman who sucked at AAA last season and sucked in the majors and has sucked in spring training 500-600 at bats same with walker. Might as well give the best overall centerfielder the same. But you advocate the worst line up thats cool you have your opinion i have mine

[woofy25]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

So you don't think that centerfield where you have to cover far more ground then left or right field is a more demanding position? The angels are moving trout from center to right just so they can try and keep him more healthy. And why would you send him down after a month? They are committing to the young players this season they are giving Gorman who sucked at AAA last season and sucked in the majors and has sucked in spring training 500-600 at bats same with walker. Might as well give the best overall centerfielder the same. But you advocate the worst line up thats cool you have your opinion i have mine

Or maybe trout is aging and has regressed in CF. Hes 33. And there’s just no evidence to prove that he would have had fewer injuries if he had played a corner OF position. Yes, CF is more demanding but this isn’t football. It’s literally running. I doubt the risk of injury is substantially higher.

If Scott opens as the CFer, then I guess Burleson, who had an .800 ops against rhp last season is the odd man out? There’s a trade off here, and it would come at his expense. You fell in love with Scott’s ST. That’s fine. Maybe he has become a .350 hitter all the sudden. That would be great.

[rockondlouie]

Not only "earned a spot", he's EARNED the OD job as lead-off man and CFer!

If he's not, then Mo & Oli have lost their f r i g g i n minds.

[Ozziesfan41]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

So you don't think that centerfield where you have to cover far more ground then left or right field is a more demanding position? The angels are moving trout from center to right just so they can try and keep him more healthy. And why would you send him down after a month? They are committing to the young players this season they are giving Gorman who sucked at AAA last season and sucked in the majors and has sucked in spring training 500-600 at bats same with walker. Might as well give the best overall centerfielder the same. But you advocate the worst line up thats cool you have your opinion i have mine

Or maybe trout is aging and has regressed in CF. Hes 33. And there’s just no evidence to prove that he would have had fewer injuries if he had played a corner OF position. Yes, CF is more demanding but this isn’t football. It’s literally running. I doubt the risk of injury is substantially higher.

If Scott opens as the CFer, then I guess Burleson, who had an .800 ops against rhp last season is the odd man out? There’s a trade off here, and it would come at his expense. You fell in love with Scott’s ST. That’s fine. Maybe he has become a .350 hitter all the sudden. That would be great.

Trout and the Angels said it was for health reasons. Trout said it would help him save his legs. So maybe major league teams and players are wrong that center is more demanding and takes more of a toll on the body and Woofy is right but I doubt it

[HOUCARD]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

Cardinals are a 70-75 win team. It would be a good idea to see which youngsters are going to have potential impact in future years. Siani is not one of them. He is a 4th outfielder.

[Carp4Cy]

Remember when Vic "earned" a spot last year, was futile in the Majors, and then did poorly in AAA? He hasn't shown he can hit anything above AA pitching yet.

Neither Vic nor Siani can hit so Noot will be given every opportunity to be the starting CFer. In that case, it is blatantly obvious to have Siani make the team as backup CFer and defensive replacement while Vic goes back to AAA to get regular reps and see if he's figured out how to hit AAA pitching yet.

If yo think Vic can me a legit MLer, he needs to keep developing in the minors.

At this point, they are the same player although I'd say Siani is the better defensive player at this point.

Agree with this thinking. If VS2 isn't starting almost every game, then he goes to AAA

Why?

There will be plenty of reps even if there is a pseudo time share.

This does point to the organizations failure to move Arenado though and the consequences

It won't be any kind of time share. Noot will begin the season as the starting CFer and the backup may get 1-2 starts a week at most. If that changes and if Vic is hitting while playing every day in AAA, Vic can be brought up. At this point, however, Vic hasn't shown the slightest indication that he can his anything above AA.

If you really are high on Vic, you want him in AAA so he can develop for the long term.

The inability to move Arenado was a problem but it's over and time to move on. I will say, he did get traded to one of the five teams he said he would go to only to ultimately turn it down. I can't blame the org for that, especially with the limitations they were under.

Why is Noot in CF? That should only be the back up plan if Scott and Siani flop though u could argue Siani already has.

Who’s left field and right field? What has Walker or Gorman shown this ST to earn the starts everyday? And there’s still that DH position everyone forgets about. That’s probably should be Burly’s if you go by last years numbers with Gorman as a PH. This lineup can’t afford an extra automatic three Ks a game

[renostl]

6 fixed pieces with 7 players
C Herrera/Pages
1B Contreras
SS Winn
3B Arenado
UT Nootbar - can move around OF
UT Donovan - can move around IF/OF

3 available spots to fill with 6 more players

• Gorman and Walker are certainties.
• I think Baker makes it to platoon with Burleson at DH and #1PH.
• I think it is Siani vs Scott for the 4th OF spot which plays a lot. I hope both don't make the team.
  • This decision should be based on what is best for Scott's development, not who looks best in ST.
• I think it is Fermin vs Barrero for the backup IF spot.
  • Tie goes to Fermin since he's on the 40-man
  • Barrero plays better SS but Winn will rarely sit.
• I believe Koperniak and Saggese have already been optioned to AAA. It is never final but it means something.

There are many variations, here are a few:

1. No Scott
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Nootbar, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
2. No Gorman
   1. 2B Donovan, LF Nootbar, CF Scott, RF Walker, DH Burleson/Baker
3. No Walker
   1. 2B Gorman, LF Donovan, CF Scott, RF Nootbar, DH Burleson/Baker
4. More days available since Nootbar, Donovan will need some off days.

You could use them all and many more variations.

My favorite was to trade Burleson and play Baker at DH with Walker/Gorman occasionally filling in there which means less Gorman/Walker wearing a glove.

Also my thinking to trade Burly while his value is decent, as the Cards have too many players with glove/position issues. Maybe/likely Burly's value will hold or even improve slightly if he performs well, but at some point the Cards need to decide which one of these type of players to keep and which ones to trade off.
As far as Scott, I sure won't be disappointed if he's the OD CF'er, but wouldn't argue much with those that thinks he needs to prove at Memphis he's more ready than he was last year for the show. Actually would be excited if he is the CF OD guy, but we'll find out soon and I won't argue much the decision. Siani provides some value and is still relatively young.

The only way that VS shouldn't make OD is if neither he or Siani make it. He should not be sent down for that.

This all gets squeezed due to Walker, Gorman, Donovan, Burly. When the powers conclude that they want these boys in the lineup
most days then someone loses out. Of the group the longest opportunities will go to the 2 that have struggled the most with
their opportunities.

[woofy25]

It is so blatantly obvious that Scott needs to start at Memphis. You who give so much credibility to ST stats are suffering from the shiny object as so many often do. The cardinals didn’t even come into spring stating Scott was competing for the job. He has had a great spring. No doubt. That is hopefully an indication he can carry that to Memphis and earn a promotion in June. He still gets 350-400 ABs which can help them decide whether he is THE guy in CF in ‘26. This is such an easy call that Noot should start in CF. It’s so easy, only the cardinals could screw it up.

How is it blatantly obvious? The dumb thing to do is start noot who has trouble staying healthy just playing the corners and isn’t good defensively in center in center the dumbest thing they can do is start Siani who is useless at the plate but the cardinals do love to make stupid decisions

I’m not interested in not playing a guy at position for fear of injury. If he gets hurt so be it. I also haven’t seen the evidence that shows CFers go on the IL more often than corner OFers. It’s an assumption people are making with nothing to show that’s true. And if you’re really nervous about it, then you should advocate for them DHing him. I don’t think he’ll be a bad CFer either. He won’t win a GG, but he’s a good enough athlete to be average over the course of a season, imo. I’m certainly higher on Noots overall game than many on this forum.

And if you start Scott on OD, you run the risk of having to send him down after a month. That’s the opposite of how this should work, contrary to the cardinals recent decision making. Let him prove he can hit minor league pitching before putting him in front of big league pitching. That’s my overall view, which is typically a pretty standard one, until somebody has a good ST. Then, everyone starts thinking irrationally. Again, shiny objects are tempting.

So you don't think that centerfield where you have to cover far more ground then left or right field is a more demanding position? The angels are moving trout from center to right just so they can try and keep him more healthy. And why would you send him down after a month? They are committing to the young players this season they are giving Gorman who sucked at AAA last season and sucked in the majors and has sucked in spring training 500-600 at bats same with walker. Might as well give the best overall centerfielder the same. But you advocate the worst line up thats cool you have your opinion i have mine

Or maybe trout is aging and has regressed in CF. Hes 33. And there’s just no evidence to prove that he would have had fewer injuries if he had played a corner OF position. Yes, CF is more demanding but this isn’t football. It’s literally running. I doubt the risk of injury is substantially higher.

If Scott opens as the CFer, then I guess Burleson, who had an .800 ops against rhp last season is the odd man out? There’s a trade off here, and it would come at his expense. You fell in love with Scott’s ST. That’s fine. Maybe he has become a .350 hitter all the sudden. That would be great.

Trout and the Angels said it was for health reasons. Trout said it would help him save his legs. So maybe major league teams and players are wrong that center is more demanding and takes more of a toll on the body and Woofy is right but I doubt it

Ok, Mike trout has played more games than Lars Nootbaar has ABs. Comparing a guy who has played 1500 games to a guy who’s played less than 400 isn’t apples to apples. Find me a 27yr old who has been moved out of CF to preserve his health, not a guy who’s been playing CF for 14 seasons.