I’m happy where the Cardinals are

[Cranny]

No they are not in a good place

They have become mediocre and insignificant over the last decade (Milwaukee owns this division)

The best 26 doesn’t come north, and players know who belongs and who doesn’t

It’s a fractured organization with an owner living in yesteryear

This franchise that has had 2 losing seasons this century is fractured? Sure!

[11WSChamps]

No they are not in a good place

They have become mediocre and insignificant over the last decade (Milwaukee owns this division)

The best 26 doesn’t come north, and players know who belongs and who doesn’t

It’s a fractured organization with an owner living in yesteryear

This franchise that has had 2 losing seasons this century is fractured? Sure!

Stop living in the past Cranny.

The salad days are over.

[Cranny]

No they are not in a good place

They have become mediocre and insignificant over the last decade (Milwaukee owns this division)

The best 26 doesn’t come north, and players know who belongs and who doesn’t

It’s a fractured organization with an owner living in yesteryear

This franchise that has had 2 losing seasons this century is fractured? Sure!

Stop living in the past Cranny.

The salad days are over.

I’m a realist. The big market teams have lost all self control. Just enjoy the regular season for now.

[Hoosier59]

I think the Cardinals have a team that will definitely compete, and if some guys step up and finally realize their potential they could actually be good. However, Oli is still the manager and we all know he won’t put the right people in the right places! He’ll have the wrong people playing over better players and won’t construct the lineup to best utilize the players he does play! Until he is gone the Cardinals are competing against other teams handicapped!

[Cardinals4Life]

We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.

Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.

Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.

Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.

I agree 100%. I never have listened to negative people and I never will. It is counterproductive to be a pessimistic loser.

You constantly complain about Melville and think he negatively views certain players. You post incessantly about Melville, so it appears you do listen to those people. It appears he has gotten in your head. In addition, you constantly post negatively about Nolan Gorman. Sounds like you need to listen to your own advice, guy. Just saying!

Not true, fella. On the rare occasion I respond to the COWARDLY LIAR, it is to correct the record concerning his constant lies and misinformation. I.E. his 18 months of lies concerning Arenado being traded. Care to go on the record here, now, and tell me if YOU claim Arenado was traded by the Cardinals? Are you a man or a "96 HOUR GUARANTEE " minion?

As for the Iron Glove, what part of his game ISNT NEGATIVE?

HIS STRIKEOUTS

HIS WORST DEFENSE IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE AT 2B

HIS HUGE DECLINE OFFENSIVELY IN ST LOUIS 2024

HIS TERRIBLE NUMBERS IN MEMPHIS 2024

HIS TERRIBLE NUMBERS IN SPRING TRAINING 2025

What have you that's great about him?

Cardinal fans are excited for guys like Roby, Hence, Mathews, Davis, JJ, Scott, Crooks, and others.

I dont see anyone stating the same about being excited for this Gorman guy who finished 2024 in the minor leagues.

Have you, fella?

Rare occasion? You post about Melville, whom you call the cowardly liar for some reason, multiple times a day.

Your posts are about as negative as they get. Why you hate Gorman so much is odd? (My guess is it is because Mel likes him and, again, you are obsessed with Mel.)

Do I think Arenado was traded??? Why do you keep asking me that? Do you not actually watch the games, guy? If you did, you would know he has not been traded. Very strange question.

Never about me. Only and always about the game.

I'm not surprised you couldn't answer my question about the failed uniKKKKorn.

You are welcome to use the forums tools to research how many posts the COWARDLY LIAR has made and how few of his lies I have responded to, fella.

Gorman had a good 2023. Last year was bad. I'm not going to give up on him yet.

And you never answered my question....do you not know Nado is on the team?

I have no interest in looking up any of your responses. But you talk about Melville in nearly every one of your posts, whether you are responding to him or not.

Also, Melville is an enjoyable poster to discuss with and read. You are not.

[desertrat23]

I have no dog in this fight….

but all this talk about signing superstar players….

The idea that these guys are just sitting by the phone, desperately wishing, praying the cards call is just fantasy…

Cards fan need to accept a more reasonable understanding of where St. Louis is the list of desirable locations

Now….please carry on..

Very possible, likely even. We all remember Stanton rejecting a trade here.

HOWEVER, I still think that for a lot of guys, winning will cure a lot of those ills. Build a team and a culture that says “we’re serious about going for championships around here,” and you’ll find people who want to come. Ohtani/Soto types? Probably not. But this can be a desirable place for top FA talent if the will is there for ownership.

Good thoughts….

However, it’s clear the will is not there for this ownership……so the focus, obsession on free agent spending is meaningless…not going to happen..

The club is in a transition to building from within….for what little my opinion is worth, I think that is their most realistic option…

Although, I don’t have a lot of confidence they can successfully pull it off as other clubs have

No question that building from within is the best foundation for this organization. And I think if they can build that foundation, a top-tier free agent (again, not necessary a generational, Ohtani-type) can be in play to be “the icing on the cake.”

But I’m with you — I have no confidence in their ability to actually pull it off. The owner doesn’t care enough.

[desertrat23]

No they are not in a good place

They have become mediocre and insignificant over the last decade (Milwaukee owns this division)

The best 26 doesn’t come north, and players know who belongs and who doesn’t

It’s a fractured organization with an owner living in yesteryear

This franchise that has had 2 losing seasons this century is fractured? Sure!

Stop living in the past Cranny.

The salad days are over.

I’m a realist. The big market teams have lost all self control. Just enjoy the regular season for now.

Settling for “enjoying the regular season” is a slap in the face to a fan base that has been blindly loyal.

[Cranny]

I have no dog in this fight….

but all this talk about signing superstar players….

The idea that these guys are just sitting by the phone, desperately wishing, praying the cards call is just fantasy…

Cards fan need to accept a more reasonable understanding of where St. Louis is the list of desirable locations

Now….please carry on..

Very possible, likely even. We all remember Stanton rejecting a trade here.

HOWEVER, I still think that for a lot of guys, winning will cure a lot of those ills. Build a team and a culture that says “we’re serious about going for championships around here,” and you’ll find people who want to come. Ohtani/Soto types? Probably not. But this can be a desirable place for top FA talent if the will is there for ownership.

Good thoughts….

However, it’s clear the will is not there for this ownership……so the focus, obsession on free agent spending is meaningless…not going to happen..

The club is in a transition to building from within….for what little my opinion is worth, I think that is their most realistic option…

Although, I don’t have a lot of confidence they can successfully pull it off as other clubs have

No question that building from within is the best foundation for this organization. And I think if they can build that foundation, a top-tier free agent (again, not necessary a generational, Ohtani-type) can be in play to be “the icing on the cake.”

But I’m with you — I have no confidence in their ability to actually pull it off. The owner doesn’t care enough.

Financial dynamics have changed. Small to mid-sized markets no longer have a chance.

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.

Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.

Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.

Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.

I agree 100%. I never have listened to negative people and I never will. It is counterproductive to be a pessimistic loser.

You constantly complain about Melville and think he negatively views certain players. You post incessantly about Melville, so it appears you do listen to those people. It appears he has gotten in your head. In addition, you constantly post negatively about Nolan Gorman. Sounds like you need to listen to your own advice, guy. Just saying!

Not true, fella. On the rare occasion I respond to the COWARDLY LIAR, it is to correct the record concerning his constant lies and misinformation. I.E. his 18 months of lies concerning Arenado being traded. Care to go on the record here, now, and tell me if YOU claim Arenado was traded by the Cardinals? Are you a man or a "96 HOUR GUARANTEE " minion?

As for the Iron Glove, what part of his game ISNT NEGATIVE?

HIS STRIKEOUTS

HIS WORST DEFENSE IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE AT 2B

HIS HUGE DECLINE OFFENSIVELY IN ST LOUIS 2024

HIS TERRIBLE NUMBERS IN MEMPHIS 2024

HIS TERRIBLE NUMBERS IN SPRING TRAINING 2025

What have you that's great about him?

Cardinal fans are excited for guys like Roby, Hence, Mathews, Davis, JJ, Scott, Crooks, and others.

I dont see anyone stating the same about being excited for this Gorman guy who finished 2024 in the minor leagues.

Have you, fella?

Rare occasion? You post about Melville, whom you call the cowardly liar for some reason, multiple times a day.

Your posts are about as negative as they get. Why you hate Gorman so much is odd? (My guess is it is because Mel likes him and, again, you are obsessed with Mel.)

Do I think Arenado was traded??? Why do you keep asking me that? Do you not actually watch the games, guy? If you did, you would know he has not been traded. Very strange question.

Never about me. Only and always about the game.

I'm not surprised you couldn't answer my question about the failed uniKKKKorn.

You are welcome to use the forums tools to research how many posts the COWARDLY LIAR has made and how few of his lies I have responded to, fella.

Gorman had a good 2023. Last year was bad. I'm not going to give up on him yet.

And you never answered my question....do you not know Nado is on the team?

I have no interest in looking up any of your responses. But you talk about Melville in nearly every one of your posts, whether you are responding to him or not.

Also, Melville is an enjoyable poster to discuss with and read. You are not.

Ok, Mrs ME-ville!

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

I have no dog in this fight….

but all this talk about signing superstar players….

The idea that these guys are just sitting by the phone, desperately wishing, praying the cards call is just fantasy…

Cards fan need to accept a more reasonable understanding of where St. Louis is the list of desirable locations

Now….please carry on..

Very possible, likely even. We all remember Stanton rejecting a trade here.

HOWEVER, I still think that for a lot of guys, winning will cure a lot of those ills. Build a team and a culture that says “we’re serious about going for championships around here,” and you’ll find people who want to come. Ohtani/Soto types? Probably not. But this can be a desirable place for top FA talent if the will is there for ownership.

Good thoughts….

However, it’s clear the will is not there for this ownership……so the focus, obsession on free agent spending is meaningless…not going to happen..

The club is in a transition to building from within….for what little my opinion is worth, I think that is their most realistic option…

Although, I don’t have a lot of confidence they can successfully pull it off as other clubs have

No question that building from within is the best foundation for this organization. And I think if they can build that foundation, a top-tier free agent (again, not necessary a generational, Ohtani-type) can be in play to be “the icing on the cake.”

But I’m with you — I have no confidence in their ability to actually pull it off. The owner doesn’t care enough.

Financial dynamics have changed. Small to mid-sized markets no longer have a chance.

Several posters with good and valid points. The real "RESET" DeWitt is interested in is coming in 2027.

Cardinals have shown with the acquisitions of Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray they willeagerly addkey players thru both free agency and trades.

What they will not do is get into bidding wars which escalate to the level of 3 years for $120 million and higher on the current union contract.

We will a majority of teams holding firm against the Ohtani/Soto type contracts.

[hugeCardfan]

We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.

Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.

Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.

Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.

New too. Perfect situation for failure to force owner to spend. 60-70 wins and -2m fans will show he needs a $180-$200m payroll team with superstars to get back to the winning tradition. Nothing else will work. Has to be a disaster.

Plenty of room for Eeyores. Much rides on health and player development. I’m not against counting on a little luck, even some Cardinal pixie dust, but I don’t believe 90-100 losses for a second. Won’t happen.

Have you seen the youth? Going young with the 23rd ranked farm last year is a recipe for disaster. Teams go young when they have the Orioles type talent in the farm. You must see something no one else does.

I've proven that idiot wrong for so many seasons it's become a rite of spring.

Nothing but a troll shining Mo's desk apples.

What rock did u slide out from under? The only thing you’ve proven is you need tweezers and a magnifying glass to take a leak.

And I see you still have to squat to (bleep) by the side of the road.

I can see all the other four flushers who agree with you here.

Dope.

Wouldn’t it be something if you could see to contributing something constructive rather than taking the usual dump… chump.

Just because people don't agree with your rainbows and unicorns doesn't mean they're gloom and doomers.

The team's surrender this offseason should be proof enough but you keep on being you.

Being "contsructive" shouldn't mean gaslighting other posters who know better.

I could not care less who agrees or disagrees with my beliefs. I share my thoughts and defend them without rancor or personal attacks until someone like you comes along and gets very personal.

I don’t see a surrender this off-season, just a way to get from A to B. You are much more a gaslighter than am I.

You talk about signing Harper in lieu of Leake and Foster even though the contracts are 3 years apart. In fact the Cardinals were acquiring Goldy and Arenado while Philly was chasing Harper. To date Goldschmidt and Harper’s WAR have been roughly equivalent and Harper is in his 32 year season with 8 to go. That contract will be more than ripe the last 4 years or so. Interestingly, Harper produced a 2.5 WAR in ‘22 while Goldy and Arenado managed 15.6 combined. Even if Harper were interested in signing with the Cards it would have ended worse than Goldy’s.

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This thread will be kinda funny to bump if the Cardinals are hopelessly in last place in September.

[hugeCardfan]

This thread will be kinda funny to bump if the Cardinals are hopelessly in last place in September.

I will be much more interested in how the players have developed and our farm is positioning future prospects than what place we are in. One thing I am certain is that if we were strictly in rebuild, we would be mired in last for more than just one year.

[desertrat23]

I have no dog in this fight….

but all this talk about signing superstar players….

The idea that these guys are just sitting by the phone, desperately wishing, praying the cards call is just fantasy…

Cards fan need to accept a more reasonable understanding of where St. Louis is the list of desirable locations

Now….please carry on..

Very possible, likely even. We all remember Stanton rejecting a trade here.

HOWEVER, I still think that for a lot of guys, winning will cure a lot of those ills. Build a team and a culture that says “we’re serious about going for championships around here,” and you’ll find people who want to come. Ohtani/Soto types? Probably not. But this can be a desirable place for top FA talent if the will is there for ownership.

Good thoughts….

However, it’s clear the will is not there for this ownership……so the focus, obsession on free agent spending is meaningless…not going to happen..

The club is in a transition to building from within….for what little my opinion is worth, I think that is their most realistic option…

Although, I don’t have a lot of confidence they can successfully pull it off as other clubs have

No question that building from within is the best foundation for this organization. And I think if they can build that foundation, a top-tier free agent (again, not necessary a generational, Ohtani-type) can be in play to be “the icing on the cake.”

But I’m with you — I have no confidence in their ability to actually pull it off. The owner doesn’t care enough.

Financial dynamics have changed. Small to mid-sized markets no longer have a chance.

Several posters with good and valid points. The real "RESET" DeWitt is interested in is coming in 2027.

Cardinals have shown with the acquisitions of Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray they willeagerly addkey players thru both free agency and trades.

What they will not do is get into bidding wars which escalate to the level of 3 years for $120 million and higher on the current union contract.

We will a majority of teams holding firm against the Ohtani/Soto type contracts.

See, I think a 3-year, $40M AAV is right where they need to be. If they don’t want to get into 10, 13, 15-year deals, I can respect that in this market. But be smart. Be clever — build a roster that can win, but offer a premier free agent the chance to win their ring at a high AAV and give them another shot at the FA market in a few years. Not everyone is going to go for it for sure, but some just might.

That’s how the Cardinals will succeed; by being smarter and better at player development, and aggressive at the right times. Not by letting the minor league system atrophy, cutting payroll, and throwing up their hands and saying “enjoy the regular season.”

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This thread will be kinda funny to bump if the Cardinals are hopelessly in last place in September.

I will be much more interested in how the players have developed and our farm is positioning future prospects than what place we are in. One thing I am certain is that if we were strictly in rebuild, we would be mired in last for more than just one year.

I get what you're saying. That's why I said "kinda funny." If you were Melville, I'd do it.

[thetank2]

No they are not in a good place

They have become mediocre and insignificant over the last decade (Milwaukee owns this division)

The best 26 doesn’t come north, and players know who belongs and who doesn’t

It’s a fractured organization with an owner living in yesteryear

This franchise that has had 2 losing seasons this century is fractured? Sure!

Stop living in the past Cranny.

The salad days are over.

11WSChampions living in the past? Past history will indicate future likelihood more than posters keep reiterating future failures. Over and over on here for years we hear how the Cardinals fail at everything. It's like a sport on here. Sad thing.

I've been combating that since 2006 season. TLR or Don Tony and DeWallet model was a failure. TLR when couldn't win again after 2006. Get to the post-season and win 3 series which many teams have done who aren't the best teams that year.

Sad part is some posters think they are influencers to a wide audience. Others just troll.

Baseball teams are going to fail from time to time. The odds of winning the post-season 3 series is harder than before expansion. The poor Dodgers failed by far the most when the season was tied and seasons when they went to the post season which is surprising because they've had the NLs best SP.