Mo dumps 'reset' ..it's now a 'transition'

[An Old Friend]

I think Mo should call it a “fart parade”.

It would at least be more entertaining.

Come to think of it... the White Sox may be an actual fart parade. Have you seen their projected opening day rotation? My god.

All these generally useless minor league signings actually do strike me as a parade of farts.

If Mo wants to preserve some kind of [fork]ing legacy, he COULD have his own Brock for Broglio, Bagwell for Anderson, or Smoltz for Alexander. Instead we have the fart parade.

Yeah… like… they had a good run for awhile, but to go out like this, and allow this to be your legacy… is so apathetic and uninspiring. He’ll probably still act surprised at fans being aggravated with him because, well, He. Doesn’t. Get. It.

[blackinkbiz]

Yeah... I mean... I think ownership completely lost it as it pertains to attendance and viewership declines. They saw that and decided, "well, if you're not going to come, we're not going to invest in the team"... when this fanbase CLEARLY attends and watches when they feel like ownership is TRYING TO WIN.

I don't know why they lost their way, but they did without a doubt.

The sooner that people realize that rich people hate regular people, and really, really hate poor people, the better off we'll all be.

That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read. It may be the case for a few rare, multi-generational "old money" sociopaths, but the majority of people with wealth acquired it by understanding the needs and desires of common man. Most rich people I know go out of their way to try and help show those less fortunate how to build wealth.

As for most of the replies to this thread, what a bunch of emotionally-driven fallasies of logic. The organization's pivot occurred when the new TV deal eliminated a large degree of cost uncertainty.

[ilcubuffs]

"In Mo's Sunday press conference in Jupiter, he tells media that he used the term 'reset' as he didn't wish to use 'rebuild ' . "

Shocked and appalled. Feel so betrayed by the ONE ownership person who has never lied to fans. Always was straight shooter and told the fans the truth no matter what. What is this world coming to???

[Youboughtit]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

[thetank2]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Why trade them when we would get very little?

[Dicktar2023]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Why trade them when we would get very little?

Helsely is the best closer in the league. A GM who worked for a living might be able to get something good in trade.

[Ozziesfan41]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Why trade them when we would get very little?

Helsely is the best closer in the league. A GM who worked for a living might be able to get something good in trade.

It’s funny that some of the same people that say helsely is too valuable to the team and it’s potential to win at the same time say he’s worthless and no one will trade anything for him

[cardsrmyteam]

224 days until the clown can't parse his words. LOL. Mo failed this off season with Objecitve 1, 2 & 3. Now he wants to change the venacular to say this is a transition. Nothing changes with Mo.

[thetank2]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Why trade them when we would get very little?

Helsely is the best closer in the league. A GM who worked for a living might be able to get something good in trade.

No he won't. The last time we got a good prospect was David Freese and a better one in Wainwright.

I love all of this second guessing and ridiculous comments on Mo.

[Ozziesfan41]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Why trade them when we would get very little?

Helsely is the best closer in the league. A GM who worked for a living might be able to get something good in trade.

No he won't. The last time we got a good prospect was David Freese and a better one in Wainwright.

I love all of this second guessing and ridiculous comments on Mo.

You may be right like you pointed out Mo is incompetent the last good prospect he traded for was freese so he would probably blow it with helsely also

[thetank2]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Why trade them when we would get very little?

Helsely is the best closer in the league. A GM who worked for a living might be able to get something good in trade.

No he won't. The last time we got a good prospect was David Freese and a better one in Wainwright.

I love all of this second guessing and ridiculous comments on Mo.

You may be right like you pointed out Mo is incompetent the last good prospect he traded for was freese so he would probably blow it with helsely also

Or perhaps he hasn't traded off his all-stars because he has won many games over the years.

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Care to predict their 2025 record?

[Youboughtit]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Care to predict their 2025 record?

72-75 wins

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Care to predict their 2025 record?

72-75 wins

Thank you.

[Youboughtit]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Care to predict their 2025 record?

72-75 wins

Thank you.

I think Winn gets close to last years numbers but doesn’t take the next step (power). Walker is a .275 20HR 75RBI serviceable hitter. Areanado is a below average 3B hitter. Gorman hits 30HR but has a 30-35% K rate. Contreras is the best hitter but misses 30-40 games. The problem is the pitching. Gray will get 12 or more wins but Fedde will be his career numbers which are horrendous and Mikolas and Matz will be just good enough to block all the young arms keeping them in AAA. Basically last year and the “youth” they want to see is only Hererra Gorman and Walker which are known commodities at this point. The defense with Noot in CF Gorman at 2B Hererra at C Contreras at 1B and Walker in RF is atrocious

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

They were planning on the reset but gray and Contreras didn’t want to be traded and he failed at trading Arenado so now he’s calling it a transition instead of saying the reset failed

Yep. Those 3 NTC's have all the leverage and power.

Fedde and Helsley? Were any attempts made to move their best trade chips? Maybe with them Arwanado would be gone as well. There are no spots for any “young” players to play. The rotation is full with Gray Fedde Mikolas Matz and Pallante. 1B was taken by Contreras. I guess 1 bench spot opened up. This is the same bad team as last 2 seasons with nothing to look forward too. They had a chance to sell fans on “youth movement” but this is not one of those.

Care to predict their 2025 record?

72-75 wins

Thank you.

I think Winn gets close to last years numbers but doesn’t take the next step (power). Walker is a .275 20HR 75RBI serviceable hitter. Areanado is a below average 3B hitter. Gorman hits 30HR but has a 30-35% K rate. Contreras is the best hitter but misses 30-40 games. The problem is the pitching. Gray will get 12 or more wins but Fedde will be his career numbers which are horrendous and Mikolas and Matz will be just good enough to block all the young arms keeping them in AAA. Basically last year and the “youth” they want to see is only Hererra Gorman and Walker which are known commodities at this point. The defense with Noot in CF Gorman at 2B Hererra at C Contreras at 1B and Walker in RF is atrocious

I respect your detailed explanation, but disagree since I'm always a positive and optimistic person.

I will say 88 wins.