Cijntje

[Melville]

Has racked up 20 K's in 18 innings at AA - outstanding.
But a whopping 12 walks as well - which is a huge read flag.
After all, that is now 63 walks in 126 minor league career innings - awful.
And he has hit 18 batters.
He is a long, long way from being an MLB pitcher.
Further, his 5"11' frame is small for a pitcher who pretty much relies solely on power - which is an extreme high-risk factor.
Odds of him ever being a long term quality contributor at the MLB level are small.
Very, very similar to the likes of Hence and Mathews - a lot of hype far exceeding reality.
The Cardinals will desperately need at least 2 from the group of Henderson, Franklin, and Doyle to become solid MLB starting pitchers.
Also need something positive to develop from either Dobbs or Fitts.
Bottom line: acquiring Cijntje was far more of a pipe dream than a true plan.

[Talkin' Baseball]

I'll take the over.

[CNYFan]

The stuff is good

[ecleme22]

Walk rate has always been a little high, but it’s ticked up noticeably in 2026 so far. Home runs too.

I’m going to take the Blaze Jordan approach with him. New club, new environment, new coaches. That can be a lot for a young kid.

I look forward to checking back on his stats mid June.

[JaseMan]

I was think he would be an amazing asset if her could get 20-30 innings every year out of his left arm.

Even in mop up duty or just when they need him to cover 1 more inning.

Would me amazing if he could throw 180 with his right and 30 with his left.

[2ninr]

Has racked up 20 K's in 18 innings at AA - outstanding.
But a whopping 12 walks as well - which is a huge read flag.
After all, that is now 63 walks in 126 minor league career innings - awful.
And he has hit 18 batters.
He is a long, long way from being an MLB pitcher.
Further, his 5"11' frame is small for a pitcher who pretty much relies solely on power - which is an extreme high-risk factor.
Odds of him ever being a long term quality contributor at the MLB level are small.
Very, very similar to the likes of Hence and Mathews - a lot of hype far exceeding reality.
The Cardinals will desperately need at least 2 from the group of Henderson, Franklin, and Doyle to become solid MLB starting pitchers.
Also need something positive to develop from either Dobbs or Fitts.
Bottom line: acquiring Cijntje was far more of a pipe dream than a true plan.

Sure it's a plan. But what % of starting pitchers develope into good ML pitchers? It's zero if you don't draft for and trade for prospects. Tell me the other offers we got for Donovan? We took the best one.

[Midrange Jay]

Has racked up 20 K's in 18 innings at AA - outstanding.
But a whopping 12 walks as well - which is a huge read flag.
After all, that is now 63 walks in 126 minor league career innings - awful.
And he has hit 18 batters.
He is a long, long way from being an MLB pitcher.
Further, his 5"11' frame is small for a pitcher who pretty much relies solely on power - which is an extreme high-risk factor.
Odds of him ever being a long term quality contributor at the MLB level are small.
Very, very similar to the likes of Hence and Mathews - a lot of hype far exceeding reality.
The Cardinals will desperately need at least 2 from the group of Henderson, Franklin, and Doyle to become solid MLB starting pitchers.
Also need something positive to develop from either Dobbs or Fitts.
Bottom line: acquiring Cijntje was far more of a pipe dream than a true plan.

Sure it's a plan. But what % of starting pitchers develope into good ML pitchers? It's zero if you don't draft for and trade for prospects. Tell me the other offers we got for Donovan? We took the best one.

Keeping Donovan and extending him was the best deal, even though it would have pushed our payroll past $60 million.

[Futuregm2]

Has racked up 20 K's in 18 innings at AA - outstanding.
But a whopping 12 walks as well - which is a huge read flag.
After all, that is now 63 walks in 126 minor league career innings - awful.
And he has hit 18 batters.
He is a long, long way from being an MLB pitcher.
Further, his 5"11' frame is small for a pitcher who pretty much relies solely on power - which is an extreme high-risk factor.
Odds of him ever being a long term quality contributor at the MLB level are small.
Very, very similar to the likes of Hence and Mathews - a lot of hype far exceeding reality.
The Cardinals will desperately need at least 2 from the group of Henderson, Franklin, and Doyle to become solid MLB starting pitchers.
Also need something positive to develop from either Dobbs or Fitts.
Bottom line: acquiring Cijntje was far more of a pipe dream than a true plan.

Sure it's a plan. But what % of starting pitchers develope into good ML pitchers? It's zero if you don't draft for and trade for prospects. Tell me the other offers we got for Donovan? We took the best one.

Keeping Donovan and extending him was the best deal, even though it would have pushed our payroll past $60 million.

Donovan is a solid player. I actually think Tai Peete may end up being the reason that the deal looks good for the Cardinals. He’s got a lot of tools, if he can make contact he could be a very good player.

[An Old Friend]

I was think he would be an amazing asset if her could get 20-30 innings every year out of his left arm.

Even in mop up duty or just when they need him to cover 1 more inning.

Would me amazing if he could throw 180 with his right and 30 with his left.

He’s awful as a lefty. There’s no reason to spend any developmental energy on a novelty that isn’t useful.

[alw80]

Has racked up 20 K's in 18 innings at AA - outstanding.
But a whopping 12 walks as well - which is a huge read flag.
After all, that is now 63 walks in 126 minor league career innings - awful.
And he has hit 18 batters.
He is a long, long way from being an MLB pitcher.
Further, his 5"11' frame is small for a pitcher who pretty much relies solely on power - which is an extreme high-risk factor.
Odds of him ever being a long term quality contributor at the MLB level are small.
Very, very similar to the likes of Hence and Mathews - a lot of hype far exceeding reality.
The Cardinals will desperately need at least 2 from the group of Henderson, Franklin, and Doyle to become solid MLB starting pitchers.
Also need something positive to develop from either Dobbs or Fitts.
Bottom line: acquiring Cijntje was far more of a pipe dream than a true plan.

Sure it's a plan. But what % of starting pitchers develope into good ML pitchers? It's zero if you don't draft for and trade for prospects. Tell me the other offers we got for Donovan? We took the best one.

Keeping Donovan and extending him was the best deal, even though it would have pushed our payroll past $60 million.

Sure but kind of a waste.

[Melville]

Has racked up 20 K's in 18 innings at AA - outstanding.
But a whopping 12 walks as well - which is a huge read flag.
After all, that is now 63 walks in 126 minor league career innings - awful.
And he has hit 18 batters.
He is a long, long way from being an MLB pitcher.
Further, his 5"11' frame is small for a pitcher who pretty much relies solely on power - which is an extreme high-risk factor.
Odds of him ever being a long term quality contributor at the MLB level are small.
Very, very similar to the likes of Hence and Mathews - a lot of hype far exceeding reality.
The Cardinals will desperately need at least 2 from the group of Henderson, Franklin, and Doyle to become solid MLB starting pitchers.
Also need something positive to develop from either Dobbs or Fitts.
Bottom line: acquiring Cijntje was far more of a pipe dream than a true plan.

Sure it's a plan. But what % of starting pitchers develope into good ML pitchers? It's zero if you don't draft for and trade for prospects. Tell me the other offers we got for Donovan? We took the best one.

Keeping Donovan and extending him was the best deal, even though it would have pushed our payroll past $60 million.

Yep.
But that ship sailed.
Now, Bollywood m needs to get extremely lucky with the cargo he brought on board.
There are a lot of blockades ahead and he needs good fortune on his side

[2ninr]

Has racked up 20 K's in 18 innings at AA - outstanding.
But a whopping 12 walks as well - which is a huge read flag.
After all, that is now 63 walks in 126 minor league career innings - awful.
And he has hit 18 batters.
He is a long, long way from being an MLB pitcher.
Further, his 5"11' frame is small for a pitcher who pretty much relies solely on power - which is an extreme high-risk factor.
Odds of him ever being a long term quality contributor at the MLB level are small.
Very, very similar to the likes of Hence and Mathews - a lot of hype far exceeding reality.
The Cardinals will desperately need at least 2 from the group of Henderson, Franklin, and Doyle to become solid MLB starting pitchers.
Also need something positive to develop from either Dobbs or Fitts.
Bottom line: acquiring Cijntje was far more of a pipe dream than a true plan.

Sure it's a plan. But what % of starting pitchers develope into good ML pitchers? It's zero if you don't draft for and trade for prospects. Tell me the other offers we got for Donovan? We took the best one.

Keeping Donovan and extending him was the best deal, even though it would have pushed our payroll past $60 million.

I'm a Donovan fan but not for the Cardinals. If we didn't have Wetherholt you are right. Long term I dont see Donny as a corner outfielder.

[hugeCardfan]

The book on Cjintje is not written. Several of his walks are from the left side. By itself that skews the numbers. More importantly, his coaches need to shut down his left side pitches. That just messes with his mechanics and isn’t productive. All focus should be from his right side. Cjintje is easily worth the investment of time to develop. I think this worry is premature.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Undersized gimmick/novelty pitcher with poor control. A pitcher who walks that many batters is like prospect hitters that strike out 40+% of the time. Rarely do either translate well to MLB.

Cardinals were fleeced in the Donovan deal with him as the centerpiece. Hopefully they hit on the draft pick or the return is abysmal.

On top of that, Bloom wasted the 5th overall pick in a reliever. Signing Stanek, Urias, and maybe even Dustin May were mistakes and he retained Oli.

Bloom shouldn’t get the A+ report card everyone is giving him so far. Hard to admit, but the best parts of this improved team is still all Mo’s work, and that’s a low bar.

[casey1024]

Has racked up 20 K's in 18 innings at AA - outstanding.
But a whopping 12 walks as well - which is a huge read flag.
After all, that is now 63 walks in 126 minor league career innings - awful.
And he has hit 18 batters.
He is a long, long way from being an MLB pitcher.
Further, his 5"11' frame is small for a pitcher who pretty much relies solely on power - which is an extreme high-risk factor.
Odds of him ever being a long term quality contributor at the MLB level are small.
Very, very similar to the likes of Hence and Mathews - a lot of hype far exceeding reality.
The Cardinals will desperately need at least 2 from the group of Henderson, Franklin, and Doyle to become solid MLB starting pitchers.
Also need something positive to develop from either Dobbs or Fitts.
Bottom line: acquiring Cijntje was far more of a pipe dream than a true plan.

I mean no disrespect......but I have to trust Bloom and his guys over your opinion. To be quite honest.....what does it matter if he is 5'11" if he can throw upper 90s and has other very good pitches? He is also very young and has time to get the walks fixed. This is only his 2nd pro season and it just started. I think it is way to soon to give any definitive final judgement on the guy. Sheesh! Did you know Greg Maddux was only 6'0"???? He turned in what was one of the best pitching careers in history.

[Futuregm2]

Undersized gimmick/novelty pitcher with poor control. A pitcher who walks that many batters is like prospect hitters that strike out 40+% of the time. Rarely do either translate well to MLB.

Cardinals were fleeced in the Donovan deal with him as the centerpiece. Hopefully they hit on the draft pick or the return is abysmal.

On top of that, Bloom wasted the 5th overall pick in a reliever. Signing Stanek, Urias, and maybe even Dustin May were mistakes and he retained Oli.

Bloom shouldn’t get the A+ report card everyone is giving him so far. Hard to admit, but the best parts of this improved team is still all Mo’s work, and that’s a low bar.

Bloom? He wasn’t the GM/president of baseball ops last year and he wasn’t in charge of the draft, that is Flores.