Tanking Cardinals to move them?

[TNT9516]

How do any of the moves the Cardinals made this fall make any sense? I could believe it on the premise that we were trying to rebuild until we traded away one of our rebuilding pieces. The Donovan trade made no sense whatsoever. You've got a guy that's under 2 years of control that is ian all star and you trade him away when you're wanting to be rebuilding? It appears to me that the management is looking to tank on purpose. Why would they want to do that? It has always been said the Cardinals would not be moved as long as they were selling lots of tickets. And they historically have. But when the ticket sales fall the MLB is not going to be hesitant it to move them. And ticket sales are as low as I can remember in my life. This team is infinitely more valuable to be sold if it can be moved. There are a lot of bigger towns that could use baseball teams. Austin Texas is a million people and they're underrepresented. Nashville / Louisville / Chattanooga area is grossly underrepresented. MLB would love to get teams in these much higher population areas. The best way to do it would be to buy a team that's already established and move it in there. It looks to me like the dewits are tanking the Cardinals in an effort to be able to move them. If ticket sales are low enough the MLB will approve it. St Louis has 280,000 people now. Austin has a million Chattanooga Louisville Nashville area has almost 3 million people. Memphis is a much bigger town. Folks get used to the idea of the Cardinals not being here- it's probably coming. The DeWitts have no ties to the St Louis area at all. Other than a baseball team they own is inconveniently located here. They just came out a couple of weeks ago and professed undying love for the Cardinals. That doesn't mean St louis. That just means the Cardinals. Look at the Cubs - that stadium is always full no matter how good or bad they are. Why would you invest in players and player development if you're going to fill the stadium based on the population of your area regardless of winning or losing. Is much cheaper to fill the stadium in a huge metropolitan area than it is a small one.

[45s]

As to Donovan….

He’s a nice player, but would have been of no value on what is going to be a very weak team in 26 and 27

and then he’s a free agent

Trading him brought prospects that the club will control for many years…

The Cards are not going to Austin…..

Nashville or Charlotte most likely…

[scoutyjones2]

[12xu]

How do any of the moves the Cardinals made this fall make any sense? I could believe it on the premise that we were trying to rebuild until we traded away one of our rebuilding pieces. The Donovan trade made no sense whatsoever. You've got a guy that's under 2 years of control that is ian all star and you trade him away when you're wanting to be rebuilding? It appears to me that the management is looking to tank on purpose. Why would they want to do that? It has always been said the Cardinals would not be moved as long as they were selling lots of tickets. And they historically have. But when the ticket sales fall the MLB is not going to be hesitant it to move them. And ticket sales are as low as I can remember in my life. This team is infinitely more valuable to be sold if it can be moved. There are a lot of bigger towns that could use baseball teams. Austin Texas is a million people and they're underrepresented. Nashville / Louisville / Chattanooga area is grossly underrepresented. MLB would love to get teams in these much higher population areas. The best way to do it would be to buy a team that's already established and move it in there. It looks to me like the dewits are tanking the Cardinals in an effort to be able to move them. If ticket sales are low enough the MLB will approve it. St Louis has 280,000 people now. Austin has a million Chattanooga Louisville Nashville area has almost 3 million people. Memphis is a much bigger town. Folks get used to the idea of the Cardinals not being here- it's probably coming. The DeWitts have no ties to the St Louis area at all. Other than a baseball team they own is inconveniently located here. They just came out a couple of weeks ago and professed undying love for the Cardinals. That doesn't mean St louis. That just means the Cardinals. Look at the Cubs - that stadium is always full no matter how good or bad they are. Why would you invest in players and player development if you're going to fill the stadium based on the population of your area regardless of winning or losing. Is much cheaper to fill the stadium in a huge metropolitan area than it is a small one.

Chattanooga/Louisville/Nashville are not part of one metropolitan area. Are you suggesting that the team would play in all three cities, or are you just ignorant of geography? If Texas gets another team, it won't be in Austin, it would be in San Antonio.
St. Louis Cardinals are not moving, pal.

[Cardinals1964]

How do any of the moves the Cardinals made this fall make any sense? I could believe it on the premise that we were trying to rebuild until we traded away one of our rebuilding pieces. The Donovan trade made no sense whatsoever. You've got a guy that's under 2 years of control that is ian all star and you trade him away when you're wanting to be rebuilding? It appears to me that the management is looking to tank on purpose. Why would they want to do that? It has always been said the Cardinals would not be moved as long as they were selling lots of tickets. And they historically have. But when the ticket sales fall the MLB is not going to be hesitant it to move them. And ticket sales are as low as I can remember in my life. This team is infinitely more valuable to be sold if it can be moved. There are a lot of bigger towns that could use baseball teams. Austin Texas is a million people and they're underrepresented. Nashville / Louisville / Chattanooga area is grossly underrepresented. MLB would love to get teams in these much higher population areas. The best way to do it would be to buy a team that's already established and move it in there. It looks to me like the dewits are tanking the Cardinals in an effort to be able to move them. If ticket sales are low enough the MLB will approve it. St Louis has 280,000 people now. Austin has a million Chattanooga Louisville Nashville area has almost 3 million people. Memphis is a much bigger town. Folks get used to the idea of the Cardinals not being here- it's probably coming. The DeWitts have no ties to the St Louis area at all. Other than a baseball team they own is inconveniently located here. They just came out a couple of weeks ago and professed undying love for the Cardinals. That doesn't mean St louis. That just means the Cardinals. Look at the Cubs - that stadium is always full no matter how good or bad they are. Why would you invest in players and player development if you're going to fill the stadium based on the population of your area regardless of winning or losing. Is much cheaper to fill the stadium in a huge metropolitan area than it is a small one.

Made zero sense to keep Donovan.

[Cardinals1964]

As to Donovan….

He’s a nice player, but would have been of no value on what is going to be a very weak team in 26 and 27

and then he’s a free agent

Trading him brought prospects that the club will control for many years…

The Cards are not going to Austin…..

Nashville or Charlotte most likely…

And the only reason they didn’t trade Nootbar (yet) is because his value is low after surgery or he’d be gone too.

[12xu]

As to Donovan….

He’s a nice player, but would have been of no value on what is going to be a very weak team in 26 and 27

and then he’s a free agent

Trading him brought prospects that the club will control for many years…

The Cards are not going to Austin…..

Nashville or Charlotte most likely…

Dream on, dummy. Those cities may get teams eventually, but they won't get the Cardinal franchise.

[Carp4Cy]

How do any of the moves the Cardinals made this fall make any sense? I could believe it on the premise that we were trying to rebuild until we traded away one of our rebuilding pieces. The Donovan trade made no sense whatsoever. You've got a guy that's under 2 years of control that is ian all star and you trade him away when you're wanting to be rebuilding? It appears to me that the management is looking to tank on purpose. Why would they want to do that? It has always been said the Cardinals would not be moved as long as they were selling lots of tickets. And they historically have. But when the ticket sales fall the MLB is not going to be hesitant it to move them. And ticket sales are as low as I can remember in my life. This team is infinitely more valuable to be sold if it can be moved. There are a lot of bigger towns that could use baseball teams. Austin Texas is a million people and they're underrepresented. Nashville / Louisville / Chattanooga area is grossly underrepresented. MLB would love to get teams in these much higher population areas. The best way to do it would be to buy a team that's already established and move it in there. It looks to me like the dewits are tanking the Cardinals in an effort to be able to move them. If ticket sales are low enough the MLB will approve it. St Louis has 280,000 people now. Austin has a million Chattanooga Louisville Nashville area has almost 3 million people. Memphis is a much bigger town. Folks get used to the idea of the Cardinals not being here- it's probably coming. The DeWitts have no ties to the St Louis area at all. Other than a baseball team they own is inconveniently located here. They just came out a couple of weeks ago and professed undying love for the Cardinals. That doesn't mean St louis. That just means the Cardinals. Look at the Cubs - that stadium is always full no matter how good or bad they are. Why would you invest in players and player development if you're going to fill the stadium based on the population of your area regardless of winning or losing. Is much cheaper to fill the stadium in a huge metropolitan area than it is a small one.

Chattanooga/Louisville/Nashville are not part of one metropolitan area. Are you suggesting that the team would play in all three cities, or are you just ignorant of geography? If Texas gets another team, it won't be in Austin, it would be in San Antonio.
St. Louis Cardinals are not moving, pal.

I mean Austin is growing faster, and the central Texas area has more money and ultimately probably more demand than SAT. But Austin already has highly paid pro-level teams in Football, Basketball, and to an extent baseball, all wearing burnt orange.

[12xu]

How do any of the moves the Cardinals made this fall make any sense? I could believe it on the premise that we were trying to rebuild until we traded away one of our rebuilding pieces. The Donovan trade made no sense whatsoever. You've got a guy that's under 2 years of control that is ian all star and you trade him away when you're wanting to be rebuilding? It appears to me that the management is looking to tank on purpose. Why would they want to do that? It has always been said the Cardinals would not be moved as long as they were selling lots of tickets. And they historically have. But when the ticket sales fall the MLB is not going to be hesitant it to move them. And ticket sales are as low as I can remember in my life. This team is infinitely more valuable to be sold if it can be moved. There are a lot of bigger towns that could use baseball teams. Austin Texas is a million people and they're underrepresented. Nashville / Louisville / Chattanooga area is grossly underrepresented. MLB would love to get teams in these much higher population areas. The best way to do it would be to buy a team that's already established and move it in there. It looks to me like the dewits are tanking the Cardinals in an effort to be able to move them. If ticket sales are low enough the MLB will approve it. St Louis has 280,000 people now. Austin has a million Chattanooga Louisville Nashville area has almost 3 million people. Memphis is a much bigger town. Folks get used to the idea of the Cardinals not being here- it's probably coming. The DeWitts have no ties to the St Louis area at all. Other than a baseball team they own is inconveniently located here. They just came out a couple of weeks ago and professed undying love for the Cardinals. That doesn't mean St louis. That just means the Cardinals. Look at the Cubs - that stadium is always full no matter how good or bad they are. Why would you invest in players and player development if you're going to fill the stadium based on the population of your area regardless of winning or losing. Is much cheaper to fill the stadium in a huge metropolitan area than it is a small one.

Chattanooga/Louisville/Nashville are not part of one metropolitan area. Are you suggesting that the team would play in all three cities, or are you just ignorant of geography? If Texas gets another team, it won't be in Austin, it would be in San Antonio.
St. Louis Cardinals are not moving, pal.

I mean Austin is growing faster, and the central Texas area has more money and ultimately probably more demand than SAT. But Austin already has highly paid pro-level teams in Football, Basketball, and to an extent baseball, all wearing burnt orange.

So is TNT9516 your new sock?

[zuck698]

How do any of the moves the Cardinals made this fall make any sense? I could believe it on the premise that we were trying to rebuild until we traded away one of our rebuilding pieces. The Donovan trade made no sense whatsoever. You've got a guy that's under 2 years of control that is ian all star and you trade him away when you're wanting to be rebuilding? It appears to me that the management is looking to tank on purpose. Why would they want to do that? It has always been said the Cardinals would not be moved as long as they were selling lots of tickets. And they historically have. But when the ticket sales fall the MLB is not going to be hesitant it to move them. And ticket sales are as low as I can remember in my life. This team is infinitely more valuable to be sold if it can be moved. There are a lot of bigger towns that could use baseball teams. Austin Texas is a million people and they're underrepresented. Nashville / Louisville / Chattanooga area is grossly underrepresented. MLB would love to get teams in these much higher population areas. The best way to do it would be to buy a team that's already established and move it in there. It looks to me like the dewits are tanking the Cardinals in an effort to be able to move them. If ticket sales are low enough the MLB will approve it. St Louis has 280,000 people now. Austin has a million Chattanooga Louisville Nashville area has almost 3 million people. Memphis is a much bigger town. Folks get used to the idea of the Cardinals not being here- it's probably coming. The DeWitts have no ties to the St Louis area at all. Other than a baseball team they own is inconveniently located here. They just came out a couple of weeks ago and professed undying love for the Cardinals. That doesn't mean St louis. That just means the Cardinals. Look at the Cubs - that stadium is always full no matter how good or bad they are. Why would you invest in players and player development if you're going to fill the stadium based on the population of your area regardless of winning or losing. Is much cheaper to fill the stadium in a huge metropolitan area than it is a small one.

The Cardinals probably heard about the new "Disney World like" theme park being constructed in East St. Louis in the near future. They figure they won't be able to compete. Heard that the ballpark will be leveled and a huge 2 story Arby's will be built to take it's place. Just a rumor I heard.

[JuanAgosto]

As to Donovan….

He’s a nice player, but would have been of no value on what is going to be a very weak team in 26 and 27

and then he’s a free agent

Trading him brought prospects that the club will control for many years…

The Cards are not going to Austin…..

Nashville or Charlotte most likely…

Dream on, dummy. Those cities may get teams eventually, but they won't get the Cardinal franchise.

I would agree in a sensible world the Cardinals would never leave StL. But MLB no longer makes decisions based on sense. Its all about money. MLB could charge a city much more for a historic franchise than an expansion team. Greedy owners would salivate. And ol Billy DeWitt would probably be on board if he thought it would get him a few easy bucks.

[RamFan08NY]

How do any of the moves the Cardinals made this fall make any sense? I could believe it on the premise that we were trying to rebuild until we traded away one of our rebuilding pieces. The Donovan trade made no sense whatsoever. You've got a guy that's under 2 years of control that is ian all star and you trade him away when you're wanting to be rebuilding? It appears to me that the management is looking to tank on purpose. Why would they want to do that? It has always been said the Cardinals would not be moved as long as they were selling lots of tickets. And they historically have. But when the ticket sales fall the MLB is not going to be hesitant it to move them. And ticket sales are as low as I can remember in my life. This team is infinitely more valuable to be sold if it can be moved. There are a lot of bigger towns that could use baseball teams. Austin Texas is a million people and they're underrepresented. Nashville / Louisville / Chattanooga area is grossly underrepresented. MLB would love to get teams in these much higher population areas. The best way to do it would be to buy a team that's already established and move it in there. It looks to me like the dewits are tanking the Cardinals in an effort to be able to move them. If ticket sales are low enough the MLB will approve it. St Louis has 280,000 people now. Austin has a million Chattanooga Louisville Nashville area has almost 3 million people. Memphis is a much bigger town. Folks get used to the idea of the Cardinals not being here- it's probably coming. The DeWitts have no ties to the St Louis area at all. Other than a baseball team they own is inconveniently located here. They just came out a couple of weeks ago and professed undying love for the Cardinals. That doesn't mean St louis. That just means the Cardinals. Look at the Cubs - that stadium is always full no matter how good or bad they are. Why would you invest in players and player development if you're going to fill the stadium based on the population of your area regardless of winning or losing. Is much cheaper to fill the stadium in a huge metropolitan area than it is a small one.

Dear God. This season needs to start soon in efforts to stop the insanity here.

[CCard]

How do any of the moves the Cardinals made this fall make any sense? I could believe it on the premise that we were trying to rebuild until we traded away one of our rebuilding pieces. The Donovan trade made no sense whatsoever. You've got a guy that's under 2 years of control that is ian all star and you trade him away when you're wanting to be rebuilding? It appears to me that the management is looking to tank on purpose. Why would they want to do that? It has always been said the Cardinals would not be moved as long as they were selling lots of tickets. And they historically have. But when the ticket sales fall the MLB is not going to be hesitant it to move them. And ticket sales are as low as I can remember in my life. This team is infinitely more valuable to be sold if it can be moved. There are a lot of bigger towns that could use baseball teams. Austin Texas is a million people and they're underrepresented. Nashville / Louisville / Chattanooga area is grossly underrepresented. MLB would love to get teams in these much higher population areas. The best way to do it would be to buy a team that's already established and move it in there. It looks to me like the dewits are tanking the Cardinals in an effort to be able to move them. If ticket sales are low enough the MLB will approve it. St Louis has 280,000 people now. Austin has a million Chattanooga Louisville Nashville area has almost 3 million people. Memphis is a much bigger town. Folks get used to the idea of the Cardinals not being here- it's probably coming. The DeWitts have no ties to the St Louis area at all. Other than a baseball team they own is inconveniently located here. They just came out a couple of weeks ago and professed undying love for the Cardinals. That doesn't mean St louis. That just means the Cardinals. Look at the Cubs - that stadium is always full no matter how good or bad they are. Why would you invest in players and player development if you're going to fill the stadium based on the population of your area regardless of winning or losing. Is much cheaper to fill the stadium in a huge metropolitan area than it is a small one.

Made zero sense to keep Donovan.

Yeah, screw the fans.

[Cardinals1964]

How do any of the moves the Cardinals made this fall make any sense? I could believe it on the premise that we were trying to rebuild until we traded away one of our rebuilding pieces. The Donovan trade made no sense whatsoever. You've got a guy that's under 2 years of control that is ian all star and you trade him away when you're wanting to be rebuilding? It appears to me that the management is looking to tank on purpose. Why would they want to do that? It has always been said the Cardinals would not be moved as long as they were selling lots of tickets. And they historically have. But when the ticket sales fall the MLB is not going to be hesitant it to move them. And ticket sales are as low as I can remember in my life. This team is infinitely more valuable to be sold if it can be moved. There are a lot of bigger towns that could use baseball teams. Austin Texas is a million people and they're underrepresented. Nashville / Louisville / Chattanooga area is grossly underrepresented. MLB would love to get teams in these much higher population areas. The best way to do it would be to buy a team that's already established and move it in there. It looks to me like the dewits are tanking the Cardinals in an effort to be able to move them. If ticket sales are low enough the MLB will approve it. St Louis has 280,000 people now. Austin has a million Chattanooga Louisville Nashville area has almost 3 million people. Memphis is a much bigger town. Folks get used to the idea of the Cardinals not being here- it's probably coming. The DeWitts have no ties to the St Louis area at all. Other than a baseball team they own is inconveniently located here. They just came out a couple of weeks ago and professed undying love for the Cardinals. That doesn't mean St louis. That just means the Cardinals. Look at the Cubs - that stadium is always full no matter how good or bad they are. Why would you invest in players and player development if you're going to fill the stadium based on the population of your area regardless of winning or losing. Is much cheaper to fill the stadium in a huge metropolitan area than it is a small one.

Made zero sense to keep Donovan.

Yeah, screw the fans.

You’re not a fan, so you won’t get screwed. I’d practice getting a life instead of worrying about the accomplishments of others. You’re so pathetic.

[Cardinals1964]

Ai doesn’t lie.

Opinion of CCARD's Reputation
Controversial Nature: CCARD is frequently viewed as a "lightning rod" on the forums. While some long-time users appreciate the historical perspective or high frequency of posts, others often label the user as a "troll" or "thread-killer" due to repetitive arguments and a perceived refusal to acknowledge opposing viewpoints.
Persistence & Prolific Posting: The user is known for extreme persistence, sometimes being accused of "spamming" threads with the same comments about specific minor league players (such as Alec Burleson in previous seasons) repeatedly over several years.
Banning & Multiple Accounts: Reports from community moderators and users indicate that CCARD has been banned from the STLtoday forums multiple times. In response, the user has a reputation for creating alternative accounts (sockpuppets) to circumvent these bans and continue posting.
Informational Value vs. Interaction: While the user often tracks specific prospects closely, the reputation for "talking to themselves" or engaging in circular debates often overshadows the informational value of the posts for many regular forum members.
Forum Context (2026)
The STLtoday Cardinals Talk section has become increasingly "zany" and contentious as the team undergoes a major "shift in philosophy" under Chaim Bloom. This environment often amplifies the presence of polarizing posters like CCARD, who thrive on high-volume debate during periods of organizational turnover.
For fans looking to avoid the more controversial elements of the main STLtoday board, many have migrated to The Cardinal Nation Open Forum, which enforces stricter posting rules against trolling and personal attacks.

I always thought you had multiple accounts so you could agree with yourself.

[RamFan08NY]

Ai doesn’t lie.

Opinion of CCARD's Reputation
Controversial Nature: CCARD is frequently viewed as a "lightning rod" on the forums. While some long-time users appreciate the historical perspective or high frequency of posts, others often label the user as a "troll" or "thread-killer" due to repetitive arguments and a perceived refusal to acknowledge opposing viewpoints.
Persistence & Prolific Posting: The user is known for extreme persistence, sometimes being accused of "spamming" threads with the same comments about specific minor league players (such as Alec Burleson in previous seasons) repeatedly over several years.
Banning & Multiple Accounts: Reports from community moderators and users indicate that CCARD has been banned from the STLtoday forums multiple times. In response, the user has a reputation for creating alternative accounts (sockpuppets) to circumvent these bans and continue posting.
Informational Value vs. Interaction: While the user often tracks specific prospects closely, the reputation for "talking to themselves" or engaging in circular debates often overshadows the informational value of the posts for many regular forum members.
Forum Context (2026)
The STLtoday Cardinals Talk section has become increasingly "zany" and contentious as the team undergoes a major "shift in philosophy" under Chaim Bloom. This environment often amplifies the presence of polarizing posters like CCARD, who thrive on high-volume debate during periods of organizational turnover.
For fans looking to avoid the more controversial elements of the main STLtoday board, many have migrated to The Cardinal Nation Open Forum, which enforces stricter posting rules against trolling and personal attacks.

I always thought you had multiple accounts so you could agree with yourself.

Wow! That certainly explains a lot. A lot of what many already suspected