A remark

[C-Unit]

This Donovan trade was coming, part of the plan. But when you step back and look at it, it's a pretty serious move. It's not just trading an expiring veteran, this was dealing a young core player in their prime due to a non-competitive team. It's a trade reflective of a team being ripped down to the studs, all in one off-season. You have to ask yourself when the last time was the Cardinals made a trade like that under these circumstances. It's been a while since the national media has gotten to pick that headline up.

I think Dave Ramsey is a bonehead but I think he says something like don't go big or take a big risk because if it works you'll be tempted to do it again or it becomes a habit or something like that. Maybe that's the type of thinking that kept Mozeliak and Co. from ever going to this extreme. Now that Bloom has set this precedent for himself, is it only a ticking time bomb before Winn or Wetherholt are on the rumor wheel? You get one chance at this rebuild and you better get it right. Bloom has written some checks with these trades that his (donkey) will have to cash.

I'm ok on the rebuild and hope it works out, and optimistic on the prospects. We have no choice but to be. But as a side, running back the same exact team from last year + Wetherholt and maybe Baez and Doyle later in the season might have done alright. It might have been the one time running it the Mozeliak way (just see if you make the playoffs) might have worked. I don't think Jocketty nor Mozeliak would have tore down this particular roster (a team that wasn't too far away from contention the way it sat*), all things even. The direction they've gone is of course because of the poor team performance but also must be convenient in some way to managing pressures surrouding the financial questions around 2027.

*Remember May of 2025, it may be a long while before we see another month of Cardinal baseball as entertaining as that one

[Dicktar2023]

Winn and Wetherholt have years and years of control. Donovan is a FA after next season. The club was not going to be in position to re-sign him at the end of 2027, and the rebuild is going to take longer than that.

[C-Unit]

Winn and Wetherholt have years and years of control. Donovan is a FA after next season. The club was not going to be in position to re-sign him at the end of 2027, and the rebuild is going to take longer than that.

Oh I know. I'm just saying I hope the team is competitive within the time before Winn and Wetherholt hit that same time period. Because if not, or if Wetherholt or the pitching doesn't pan out, then that roster won't even be as good as the one we just had in 2025. Give me all the Fermins you want.

[mattmitchl44]

Sign Winn and Wetherholt through their age 30 seasons now.

[45s]

Sign Winn and Wetherholt through their age 30 seasons now.

Winn and Wetherholt might not agree..

[CCard]

Winn and Wetherholt have years and years of control. Donovan is a FA after next season. The club was not going to be in position to re-sign him at the end of 2027, and the rebuild is going to take longer than that.

You and the others have no way of knowing if the "Rebuild" will do a (bleep) thing. It only guarantees losing in the short term with no guarantee of a payoff in the future. Houston did it and won a championship, but they were caught cheating. Chicago did it and won a championship, but it basically went down to the last play and they were lucky and due. And their vaunted "Dynasty" talk amounted to jack. But there are sure a lot of teams in perpetual "rebuild" mode. Now, will the Cards join their ranks? This may be the plan from now on.

[Dicktar2023]

Winn and Wetherholt have years and years of control. Donovan is a FA after next season. The club was not going to be in position to re-sign him at the end of 2027, and the rebuild is going to take longer than that.

You and the others have no way of knowing if the "Rebuild" will do a (drat) thing. It only guarantees losing in the short term with no guarantee of a payoff in the future. Houston did it and won a championship, but they were caught cheating. Chicago did it and won a championship, but it basically went down to the last play and they were lucky and due. And their vaunted "Dynasty" talk amounted to jack. But there are sure a lot of teams in perpetual "rebuild" mode. Now, will the Cards join their ranks? This may be the plan from now on.

Which teams are in perpetual rebuild mode?

[scoutyjones2]

This Donovan trade was coming, part of the plan. But when you step back and look at it, it's a pretty serious move. It's not just trading an expiring veteran, this was dealing a young core player in their prime due to a non-competitive team. It's a trade reflective of a team being ripped down to the studs, all in one off-season. You have to ask yourself when the last time was the Cardinals made a trade like that under these circumstances. It's been a while since the national media has gotten to pick that headline up.

I think Dave Ramsey is a bonehead but I think he says something like don't go big or take a big risk because if it works you'll be tempted to do it again or it becomes a habit or something like that. Maybe that's the type of thinking that kept Mozeliak and Co. from ever going to this extreme. Now that Bloom has set this precedent for himself, is it only a ticking time bomb before Winn or Wetherholt are on the rumor wheel? You get one chance at this rebuild and you better get it right. Bloom has written some checks with these trades that his (donkey) will have to cash.

I'm ok on the rebuild and hope it works out, and optimistic on the prospects. We have no choice but to be. But as a side, running back the same exact team from last year + Wetherholt and maybe Baez and Doyle later in the season might have done alright. It might have been the one time running it the Mozeliak way (just see if you make the playoffs) might have worked. I don't think Jocketty nor Mozeliak would have tore down this particular roster (a team that wasn't too far away from contention the way it sat*), all things even. The direction they've gone is of course because of the poor team performance but also must be convenient in some way to managing pressures surrouding the financial questions around 2027.

*Remember May of 2025, it may be a long while before we see another month of Cardinal baseball as entertaining as that one

Yawn

[Carp4Cy]

Winn and Wetherholt have years and years of control. Donovan is a FA after next season. The club was not going to be in position to re-sign him at the end of 2027, and the rebuild is going to take longer than that.

You and the others have no way of knowing if the "Rebuild" will do a (drat) thing. It only guarantees losing in the short term with no guarantee of a payoff in the future. Houston did it and won a championship, but they were caught cheating. Chicago did it and won a championship, but it basically went down to the last play and they were lucky and due. And their vaunted "Dynasty" talk amounted to jack. But there are sure a lot of teams in perpetual "rebuild" mode. Now, will the Cards join their ranks? This may be the plan from now on.

Which teams are in perpetual rebuild mode?

The Rockies.

[bfib]

This Donovan trade was coming, part of the plan. But when you step back and look at it, it's a pretty serious move. It's not just trading an expiring veteran, this was dealing a young core player in their prime due to a non-competitive team. It's a trade reflective of a team being ripped down to the studs, all in one off-season. You have to ask yourself when the last time was the Cardinals made a trade like that under these circumstances. It's been a while since the national media has gotten to pick that headline up.

I think Dave Ramsey is a bonehead but I think he says something like don't go big or take a big risk because if it works you'll be tempted to do it again or it becomes a habit or something like that. Maybe that's the type of thinking that kept Mozeliak and Co. from ever going to this extreme. Now that Bloom has set this precedent for himself, is it only a ticking time bomb before Winn or Wetherholt are on the rumor wheel? You get one chance at this rebuild and you better get it right. Bloom has written some checks with these trades that his (donkey) will have to cash.

I'm ok on the rebuild and hope it works out, and optimistic on the prospects. We have no choice but to be. But as a side, running back the same exact team from last year + Wetherholt and maybe Baez and Doyle later in the season might have done alright. It might have been the one time running it the Mozeliak way (just see if you make the playoffs) might have worked. I don't think Jocketty nor Mozeliak would have tore down this particular roster (a team that wasn't too far away from contention the way it sat*), all things even. The direction they've gone is of course because of the poor team performance but also must be convenient in some way to managing pressures surrouding the financial questions around 2027.

*Remember May of 2025, it may be a long while before we see another month of Cardinal baseball as entertaining as that one

Aiming for “contention” got us in this mess in the first place.

This team was miles away from being a serious WS contender.

[RamFan08NY]

My gosh. It's not like they traded George Brett in his prime. They basically traded Tommy Herr, if Herr didnt have the rest of the team he had around him.

This place is in an uproar over Donny. Imagine if the internet existed when they traded Kierh Hernandez!

[TopofthePerch]

This Donovan trade was coming, part of the plan. But when you step back and look at it, it's a pretty serious move. It's not just trading an expiring veteran, this was dealing a young core player in their prime due to a non-competitive team. It's a trade reflective of a team being ripped down to the studs, all in one off-season. You have to ask yourself when the last time was the Cardinals made a trade like that under these circumstances. It's been a while since the national media has gotten to pick that headline up.

I think Dave Ramsey is a bonehead but I think he says something like don't go big or take a big risk because if it works you'll be tempted to do it again or it becomes a habit or something like that. Maybe that's the type of thinking that kept Mozeliak and Co. from ever going to this extreme. Now that Bloom has set this precedent for himself, is it only a ticking time bomb before Winn or Wetherholt are on the rumor wheel? You get one chance at this rebuild and you better get it right. Bloom has written some checks with these trades that his (donkey) will have to cash.

I'm ok on the rebuild and hope it works out, and optimistic on the prospects. We have no choice but to be. But as a side, running back the same exact team from last year + Wetherholt and maybe Baez and Doyle later in the season might have done alright. It might have been the one time running it the Mozeliak way (just see if you make the playoffs) might have worked. I don't think Jocketty nor Mozeliak would have tore down this particular roster (a team that wasn't too far away from contention the way it sat*), all things even. The direction they've gone is of course because of the poor team performance but also must be convenient in some way to managing pressures surrouding the financial questions around 2027.

*Remember May of 2025, it may be a long while before we see another month of Cardinal baseball as entertaining as that one

I think he actually said he invited the pressure by the fans. He knows it's his job to bring the team a winner. He actually comes off sincere and understanding. So I think yes under these circumstances he at least deserves a shot and should be based on years 3 or 4. They also signed a few highly rated international players. I think he is doing good with the directive he's been given. Only time will tell

[mattmitchl44]

Sign Winn and Wetherholt through their age 30 seasons now.

Winn and Wetherholt might not agree..

Should be making offers and making them say no.

[45s]

Sign Winn and Wetherholt through their age 30 seasons now.

Winn and Wetherholt might not agree..

Should be making offers and making them say no.

agree completely

but some of our friends seem to think that players just can't wait to extend.........they can, and they will.....{at least the guys the guys who will have other options}

[CCard]

Winn and Wetherholt have years and years of control. Donovan is a FA after next season. The club was not going to be in position to re-sign him at the end of 2027, and the rebuild is going to take longer than that.

You and the others have no way of knowing if the "Rebuild" will do a (drat) thing. It only guarantees losing in the short term with no guarantee of a payoff in the future. Houston did it and won a championship, but they were caught cheating. Chicago did it and won a championship, but it basically went down to the last play and they were lucky and due. And their vaunted "Dynasty" talk amounted to jack. But there are sure a lot of teams in perpetual "rebuild" mode. Now, will the Cards join their ranks? This may be the plan from now on.

Which teams are in perpetual rebuild mode?

Pittsburgh, Miami, Chicago White Sox, Kansas City Royals etc etc