I'll say this for the cubbies

[Carp4Cy]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

[C-Unit]

Come on now

[RamFan08NY]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Im pretty sure that you, on multiple occasions, have faulted the Cardinals for that "hope for next year" philosophy.

[Carp4Cy]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Im pretty sure that you, on multiple occasions, have faulted the Cardinals for that "hope for next year" philosophy.

No, I appreciate the reloading for next year. What I can't abide is this rebuild is gonna take 5 years idea that keeps getting posted.

[Ozziesfan41]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

[Carp4Cy]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

They've still sold tickets though. They haven't gone below 34K in a non-covid year.

[Ozziesfan41]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

They've still sold tickets though. They haven't gone below 34K in a non-covid year.

That’s on the fans the cardinals could draw that too if the fans kept coming even when they were losing. It doesn’t change the fact that they dismantled a World Series championship team to rebuild and got rid of all of the stars from that team cardinals fans are freaking out and melting down over them dismantling a sub .500 team and trading away complimentary players. Maybe they have better fans who understand sometimes a rebuild is necessary from time to time I don’t know

[Carp4Cy]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

They've still sold tickets though. They haven't gone below 34K in a non-covid year.

That’s on the fans the cardinals could draw that too if the fans kept coming even when they were losing. It doesn’t change the fact that they dismantled a World Series championship team to rebuild and got rid of all of the stars from that team cardinals fans are freaking out and melting down over them dismantling a sub .500 team and trading away complimentary players. Maybe they have better fans who understand sometimes a rebuild is necessary from time to time I don’t know

They also kept Kyle Hendrix and Willson thru 2021 and 2022. Brought in Bellenger (high upside FA) for 2023 after a miserable 2022 season. They never stripped down fully all at once.

[Carp4Cy]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

They've still sold tickets though. They haven't gone below 34K in a non-covid year.

That’s on the fans the cardinals could draw that too if the fans kept coming even when they were losing. It doesn’t change the fact that they dismantled a World Series championship team to rebuild and got rid of all of the stars from that team cardinals fans are freaking out and melting down over them dismantling a sub .500 team and trading away complimentary players. Maybe they have better fans who understand sometimes a rebuild is necessary from time to time I don’t know

And maybe Oli is just more toxic to the fans than David Ross, who ...actually...won a WS for them.

Yadi as manager may or may not prove to be competent, but we can bet he would sell more tickets in STL. Maybe even better options are out there. It isn't Oli.

[An Old Friend]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

The Cubs did that because they ran into debt service coverage issues related to how their purchase from Sam Zell was structured. The Cubs needed to quickly lower their payroll to avoid a breach.

[Carp4Cy]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

The Cubs did that because they ran into debt service coverage issues related to how their purchase from Sam Zell was structured. The Cubs needed to quickly lower their payroll to avoid a breach.

Good point and good memory, thank you.

[Ozziesfan41]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

They've still sold tickets though. They haven't gone below 34K in a non-covid year.

That’s on the fans the cardinals could draw that too if the fans kept coming even when they were losing. It doesn’t change the fact that they dismantled a World Series championship team to rebuild and got rid of all of the stars from that team cardinals fans are freaking out and melting down over them dismantling a sub .500 team and trading away complimentary players. Maybe they have better fans who understand sometimes a rebuild is necessary from time to time I don’t know

And maybe Oli is just more toxic to the fans than David Ross, who ...actually...won a WS for them.

Yadi as manager may or may not prove to be competent, but we can bet he would sell more tickets in STL. Maybe even better options are out there. It isn't Oli.

Now that I agree with. I agree with what bloom is doing I have criticized the team for years because they refuse to commit to a direction. I can get behind the team if they are going for it and trying to win I can get behind it if they commit to a rebuild but the team needed to pick a direction and go for it and now they finally have instead instead of clinging to the sustained mediocrity approach but keeping oli I don’t agree with he may not be the problem but he isn’t the solution

[Strummer Jones]

So? I still hate them.

[Adam2]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

They've still sold tickets though. They haven't gone below 34K in a non-covid year.

That’s on the fans the cardinals could draw that too if the fans kept coming even when they were losing. It doesn’t change the fact that they dismantled a World Series championship team to rebuild and got rid of all of the stars from that team cardinals fans are freaking out and melting down over them dismantling a sub .500 team and trading away complimentary players. Maybe they have better fans who understand sometimes a rebuild is necessary from time to time I don’t know

And maybe Oli is just more toxic to the fans than David Ross, who ...actually...won a WS for them.

Yadi as manager may or may not prove to be competent, but we can bet he would sell more tickets in STL. Maybe even better options are out there. It isn't Oli.

the last thing in the world we should want is Yadi or Albert as manager. They are currently Cardinal royalty. If Yadi came in and didn't do well it would diminish his aura among cardinal fans, they would be angry with him on day to day bullpen decisions, and in the end he would leave on a tarnished note.

You know it, and i know it. It would take a decade of him then leaving before Cardinals fans would appreciate him as such again

Ownership also knows this

[Carp4Cy]

the past 40 years they've had a lot more disappointment than celebration, especially at the end of every year. But they've always had that optimistic wait until next year vibe. They weren't great at executing a winning team across a full season, but they reloaded pretty much every offseason, and they always seemed to have some star power. And the ALWAYS sold tickets.

I'm glad they almost never win it all, but at least their fans can somehow keep hope alive from year to year.

Did you forget the part where they dismantled and got rid of their entire world championship team from 2016 and rebuilt? They dismantled a world championship team to rebuild and traded away stars and you give them kudos and job well done the cardinals dismantled a sub.500 team and traded away no stars just complementary players and you complain day after day about it lol they are also in the position they are now from rebuilding and you say good job the cardinals do the same and you condemn them lol can’t make this stuff up. Oh they also non tendered Kyle schwarber to save money

They've still sold tickets though. They haven't gone below 34K in a non-covid year.

That’s on the fans the cardinals could draw that too if the fans kept coming even when they were losing. It doesn’t change the fact that they dismantled a World Series championship team to rebuild and got rid of all of the stars from that team cardinals fans are freaking out and melting down over them dismantling a sub .500 team and trading away complimentary players. Maybe they have better fans who understand sometimes a rebuild is necessary from time to time I don’t know

And maybe Oli is just more toxic to the fans than David Ross, who ...actually...won a WS for them.

Yadi as manager may or may not prove to be competent, but we can bet he would sell more tickets in STL. Maybe even better options are out there. It isn't Oli.

the last thing in the world we should want is Yadi or Albert as manager. They are currently Cardinal royalty. If Yadi came in and didn't do well it would diminish his aura among cardinal fans, they would be angry with him on day to day bullpen decisions, and in the end he would leave on a tarnished note.

You know it, and i know it. It would take a decade of him then leaving before Cardinals fans would appreciate him as such again

Ownership also knows this

True - that's my hesitency as well, though a lot of things could still be an effective upgrade from Oli.

Pete Rose pulled it off and was an effective manager until he got caught gambling. But that was a whole other thing entirely

[An Old Friend]

So? I still hate them.

Yeah, same.