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What Cardinal Player benefits most from Automatic Ball Strike system

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Walker. I bet that name was most here first thought. Then Gorman.

Mt bet is on JJ. He has a mastery of the zone as it exists with umpires. Being novel, in its first year, he will master it from the get go, and might be even a better hitter.

Walker. Chases the outside slider. Will he adapt to the zone and lay off.

Gorman. Will he master and lay off the high stuff.

Dark hirses- Winn and Scott. Just imagine if their walks increase and hard hit ball rage increases.

Who best benefits from ABS.
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Unless it operates like pitch com and whispers “jordan don’t swing” it’s not helping with the chasing sliders problem.
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Absolut wrote: 28 Jan 2026 05:30 am Unless it operates like pitch com and whispers “jordan don’t swing” it’s not helping with the chasing sliders problem.
I thought about that. More of an impulse event than a discipline event.

But. Nothing has helped with his chase. Maybe this will help.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 05:16 am Good morning.

Walker. I bet that name was most here first thought. Then Gorman.

Mt bet is on JJ. He has a mastery of the zone as it exists with umpires. Being novel, in its first year, he will master it from the get go, and might be even a better hitter.

Walker. Chases the outside slider. Will he adapt to the zone and lay off.

Gorman. Will he master and lay off the high stuff.

Dark hirses- Winn and Scott. Just imagine if their walks increase and hard hit ball rage increases.

Who best benefits from ABS.
Not being snarky so don't take this the wrong way dog, but I'd say they all will benefit from the atrocious calls from human umpires being reversed. As for individual players, a guy like Noot might benefit the most because he takes a lot of pitches. Every player that works the count would benefit more than a free swinger.
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CCard wrote: 28 Jan 2026 07:50 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 05:16 am Good morning.

Walker. I bet that name was most here first thought. Then Gorman.

Mt bet is on JJ. He has a mastery of the zone as it exists with umpires. Being novel, in its first year, he will master it from the get go, and might be even a better hitter.

Walker. Chases the outside slider. Will he adapt to the zone and lay off.

Gorman. Will he master and lay off the high stuff.

Dark hirses- Winn and Scott. Just imagine if their walks increase and hard hit ball rage increases.

Who best benefits from ABS.
Not being snarky so don't take this the wrong way dog, but I'd say they all will benefit from the atrocious calls from human umpires being reversed. As for individual players, a guy like Noot might benefit the most because he takes a lot of pitches. Every player that works the count would benefit more than a free swinger.
No issue. Nice reply. Do you think the game overall will feature more offense, as pitchers have to start pitching nearer the zone. As you mentioned no help from ump.
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Absolut wrote: 28 Jan 2026 05:30 am Unless it operates like pitch com and whispers “jordan don’t swing” it’s not helping with the chasing sliders problem.
I remember Bader having a huge issue chasing sliders down and away. It took him a while to get it corrected, hopefully JW can get there.
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Noot and Donovan, as you say, players who take a lot of pitches will benefit a lot. One thing that will definitely change, is the automatic called strike on 3-0 counts. We’ve all seen them! Anywhere near the zone and it gets called a strike. If nothing else it runs up the pitchers pitch count. We also see the automatic ball called a lot on 0-2 counts.
I’m for the system, make the Umps be held more accountable!
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None. Won't change a thing, significantly
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rage-STL wrote: 28 Jan 2026 07:59 am
Absolut wrote: 28 Jan 2026 05:30 am Unless it operates like pitch com and whispers “jordan don’t swing” it’s not helping with the chasing sliders problem.
I remember Bader having a huge issue chasing sliders down and away. It took him a while to get it corrected, hopefully JW can get there.
Walker regardless Can only get better. I think he has bottomed out. Now if he would not chase, he’d be a stud with his hard hitting ability.

Maybe the zone, not giving away a cheap strike, constantly ahead in the count, will help.

Looking for any edge here.
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Hoosier59 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:02 am Noot and Donovan, as you say, players who take a lot of pitches will benefit a lot. One thing that will definitely change, is the automatic called strike on 3-0 counts. We’ve all seen them! Anywhere near the zone and it gets called a strike. If nothing else it runs up the pitchers pitch count. We also see the automatic ball called a lot on 0-2 counts.
I’m for the system, make the Umps be held more accountable!
I don't see the claim about "a lot" of automatic called strike on a 3-0 count, or an automatic ball, called on an 0-2 count.
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Hoosier59 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:02 am Noot and Donovan, as you say, players who take a lot of pitches will benefit a lot. One thing that will definitely change, is the automatic called strike on 3-0 counts. We’ve all seen them! Anywhere near the zone and it gets called a strike. If nothing else it runs up the pitchers pitch count. We also see the automatic ball called a lot on 0-2 counts.
I’m for the system, make the Umps be held more accountable!
I see two things initially. Walks may go up, foul balls may go up, and harder hit balls, may go up. This because pitchers have to hit the square. Makes them pitch closer. More contact.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:03 am
rage-STL wrote: 28 Jan 2026 07:59 am
Absolut wrote: 28 Jan 2026 05:30 am Unless it operates like pitch com and whispers “jordan don’t swing” it’s not helping with the chasing sliders problem.
I remember Bader having a huge issue chasing sliders down and away. It took him a while to get it corrected, hopefully JW can get there.
Walker regardless Can only get better. I think he has bottomed out. Now if he would not chase, he’d be a stud with his hard hitting ability.

Maybe the zone, not giving away a cheap strike, constantly ahead in the count, will help.

Looking for any edge here.
Walker has yet to show any improvement, the more he plays.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 07:54 am
CCard wrote: 28 Jan 2026 07:50 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 05:16 am Good morning.

Walker. I bet that name was most here first thought. Then Gorman.

Mt bet is on JJ. He has a mastery of the zone as it exists with umpires. Being novel, in its first year, he will master it from the get go, and might be even a better hitter.

Walker. Chases the outside slider. Will he adapt to the zone and lay off.

Gorman. Will he master and lay off the high stuff.

Dark hirses- Winn and Scott. Just imagine if their walks increase and hard hit ball rage increases.

Who best benefits from ABS.
Not being snarky so don't take this the wrong way dog, but I'd say they all will benefit from the atrocious calls from human umpires being reversed. As for individual players, a guy like Noot might benefit the most because he takes a lot of pitches. Every player that works the count would benefit more than a free swinger.
No issue. Nice reply. Do you think the game overall will feature more offense, as pitchers have to start pitching nearer the zone. As you mentioned no help from ump.
I think it most likely will result in a little bump, but the limits to the challenges will have the pitchers only being worried about a small amount of occurances. Once a team can't challenge...well...then a pitcher will go back to the nibbling and getting some bad calls. But hey, anything is better than nothing. I personally would like to see umpires removed from the ball/strike phase entirely. If they can do it in tennis with 100 mph serves they can do it in baseball. That would take a lot of pressure off of umpires too. An umpire could still be there to overrule a machine if there's evidence for it.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:06 am
Hoosier59 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:02 am Noot and Donovan, as you say, players who take a lot of pitches will benefit a lot. One thing that will definitely change, is the automatic called strike on 3-0 counts. We’ve all seen them! Anywhere near the zone and it gets called a strike. If nothing else it runs up the pitchers pitch count. We also see the automatic ball called a lot on 0-2 counts.
I’m for the system, make the Umps be held more accountable!
I see two things initially. Walks may go up, foul balls may go up, and harder hit balls, may go up. This because pitchers have to hit the square. Makes them pitch closer. More contact.
I think there will be, eventually, more contact, harder contact. The really good pitchers will still get hitters to chase, but other guys who rely more on hitters just chasing could suffer more!
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Hoosier59 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:09 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:06 am
Hoosier59 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:02 am Noot and Donovan, as you say, players who take a lot of pitches will benefit a lot. One thing that will definitely change, is the automatic called strike on 3-0 counts. We’ve all seen them! Anywhere near the zone and it gets called a strike. If nothing else it runs up the pitchers pitch count. We also see the automatic ball called a lot on 0-2 counts.
I’m for the system, make the Umps be held more accountable!
I see two things initially. Walks may go up, foul balls may go up, and harder hit balls, may go up. This because pitchers have to hit the square. Makes them pitch closer. More contact.
I think there will be, eventually, more contact, harder contact. The really good pitchers will still get hitters to chase, but other guys who rely more on hitters just chasing could suffer more!
I agree. Harder contacts as hitters hone their zones. They do will adjust.
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scoutyjones2 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:06 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 28 Jan 2026 08:03 am
rage-STL wrote: 28 Jan 2026 07:59 am
Absolut wrote: 28 Jan 2026 05:30 am Unless it operates like pitch com and whispers “jordan don’t swing” it’s not helping with the chasing sliders problem.
I remember Bader having a huge issue chasing sliders down and away. It took him a while to get it corrected, hopefully JW can get there.
Walker regardless Can only get better. I think he has bottomed out. Now if he would not chase, he’d be a stud with his hard hitting ability.

Maybe the zone, not giving away a cheap strike, constantly ahead in the count, will help.

Looking for any edge here.
Walker has yet to show any improvement, the more he plays.
Disagree. His mastery
Of the two strike timeout in unparalleled
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