Quintana, Montgomery and Chafin

[Cardly]

I get the youth movement.

With that, the innings are many and the proven arms are few.

Thoughts:
Sign Quintana - trade at deadline
Sign Montgomery - don’t trade this season but he will be ready to pitch mid season and could cover innings later in the season.
Sign Andrew Chafin - trade at the deadline.

Trade Romero NOW - get a decent prospect
Add a legit righty bat who can hit lefties.

[Talkin' Baseball]

I get the youth movement.

With that, the innings are many and the proven arms are few.

Thoughts:
Sign Quintana - trade at deadline
Sign Montgomery - don’t trade this season but he will be ready to pitch mid season and could cover innings later in the season.
Sign Andrew Chafin - trade at the deadline.

Trade Romero NOW - get a decent prospect
Add a legit righty bat who can hit lefties.

This is the play.

[imyourhuckleberry]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

[brock118]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

Agreed, with so many teams looking for pitching that actually have a chance at the playoffs, I don't see why they would want to sign with us. Plus we are looking to slash payroll drastically and I'm not sure we would go to what it takes to sign these guys. I would be surprised if we sign anyone for more than $6-8 million.

[imyourhuckleberry]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

Agreed, with so many teams looking for pitching that actually have a chance at the playoffs, I don't see why they would want to sign with us. Plus we are looking to slash payroll drastically and I'm not sure we would go to what it takes to sign these guys. I would be surprised if we sign anyone for more than $6-8 million.

I can see them pay a higher price for one year, assuming the pitcher in question is agreeable.

Edit: I'm not a doom and gloom salary guy. I think they'll be willing to spend on one year deals, if they can find a decent candidate to spend it on (easily flippable).

[Carp4Cy]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

Agreed, with so many teams looking for pitching that actually have a chance at the playoffs, I don't see why they would want to sign with us. Plus we are looking to slash payroll drastically and I'm not sure we would go to what it takes to sign these guys. I would be surprised if we sign anyone for more than $6-8 million.

I can see them pay a higher price for one year, assuming the pitcher in question is agreeable.

Edit: I'm not a doom and gloom salary guy. I think they'll be willing to spend on one year deals, if they can find a decent candidate to spend it on (easily flippable).

Agree. But I’d take it one step further. If we could identify the right player and they are available I’d go ahead and sign or trade/sign them longterm. We’ve dumped all the 30 somethings with large contracts so backfilling is a big part of what comes next. Only so much adding can feasibly be done each off-season so starting now with the right core player could be wise.

[Talkin' Baseball]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

Agreed, with so many teams looking for pitching that actually have a chance at the playoffs, I don't see why they would want to sign with us. Plus we are looking to slash payroll drastically and I'm not sure we would go to what it takes to sign these guys. I would be surprised if we sign anyone for more than $6-8 million.

The players listed are probably looking at contracts for half the amounts you cite.

[imyourhuckleberry]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

Agreed, with so many teams looking for pitching that actually have a chance at the playoffs, I don't see why they would want to sign with us. Plus we are looking to slash payroll drastically and I'm not sure we would go to what it takes to sign these guys. I would be surprised if we sign anyone for more than $6-8 million.

I can see them pay a higher price for one year, assuming the pitcher in question is agreeable.

Edit: I'm not a doom and gloom salary guy. I think they'll be willing to spend on one year deals, if they can find a decent candidate to spend it on (easily flippable).

Agree. But I’d take it one step further. If we could identify the right player and they are available I’d go ahead and sign or trade/sign them longterm. We’ve dumped all the 30 somethings with large contracts so backfilling is a big part of what comes next. Only so much adding can feasibly be done each off-season so starting now with the right core player could be wise.

I don't disagree. I just don't think the Cardinals are interested in signing anyone (including extending their own) until the new CBA is in place. Trading for, possibly under very favorable circumstances, but unlikely.

Not saying I agree with that policy (if it is indeed the case), just that I think it is, so I'm not wasting any time expecting or hoping it happens.

[Cardly]

It seems they could sign Montgomery to a lower dollar this season and a higher amount for year 2. They could trade him at the deadline in 2026. Sort of like the May.

[Carp4Cy]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

Agreed, with so many teams looking for pitching that actually have a chance at the playoffs, I don't see why they would want to sign with us. Plus we are looking to slash payroll drastically and I'm not sure we would go to what it takes to sign these guys. I would be surprised if we sign anyone for more than $6-8 million.

I can see them pay a higher price for one year, assuming the pitcher in question is agreeable.

Edit: I'm not a doom and gloom salary guy. I think they'll be willing to spend on one year deals, if they can find a decent candidate to spend it on (easily flippable).

Agree. But I’d take it one step further. If we could identify the right player and they are available I’d go ahead and sign or trade/sign them longterm. We’ve dumped all the 30 somethings with large contracts so backfilling is a big part of what comes next. Only so much adding can feasibly be done each off-season so starting now with the right core player could be wise.

I don't disagree. I just don't think the Cardinals are interested in signing anyone (including extending their own) until the new CBA is in place. Trading for, possibly under very favorable circumstances, but unlikely.

Not saying I agree with that policy (if it is indeed the case), just that I think it is, so I'm not wasting any time expecting or hoping it happens.

Probably true. But I’d say this CBA negotiation has happened to come along at the absolute worst time to maximize dragging out the actual building part of our rebuild.

Meanwhile other teams will make bets on the future and might benefit at our future expense.

[Ozziesfan41]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

Agreed, with so many teams looking for pitching that actually have a chance at the playoffs, I don't see why they would want to sign with us. Plus we are looking to slash payroll drastically and I'm not sure we would go to what it takes to sign these guys. I would be surprised if we sign anyone for more than $6-8 million.

The cardinals would be a good landing spot for several pitchers. A pitcher looking to reestablish his value could do worse than sign with a team that has a very pitcher friendly home ball park also knowing they would most likely be traded at the deadline to a contender anyway.

[KeeptheRamsinSTL]

I get the youth movement.

With that, the innings are many and the proven arms are few.

Thoughts:
Sign Quintana - trade at deadline
Sign Montgomery - don’t trade this season but he will be ready to pitch mid season and could cover innings later in the season.
Sign Andrew Chafin - trade at the deadline.

Trade Romero NOW - get a decent prospect
Add a legit righty bat who can hit lefties.

What about Max Scherzer? He is very near the end of his career but he grew up a Cardinals fan. This would give him a chance to play for his hometown team. He would bring good PR to the Cardinals/DeWitts. His signing would encourage fans to return. Scherzer would a good veteran to help this young staff. Busch Stadium is a friendly park for pitchers.

I understand that Scherzer most likely wants to go to a contender but he remains unsigned. Bloom could offer him a deal and let him know that if the Cardinals are not in contention at the trade deadline that he would try to trade him to a contender that Scherzer would be interested in.

[Clubmaker2]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

Agreed, with so many teams looking for pitching that actually have a chance at the playoffs, I don't see why they would want to sign with us. Plus we are looking to slash payroll drastically and I'm not sure we would go to what it takes to sign these guys. I would be surprised if we sign anyone for more than $6-8 million.

I can see them pay a higher price for one year, assuming the pitcher in question is agreeable.

Edit: I'm not a doom and gloom salary guy. I think they'll be willing to spend on one year deals, if they can find a decent candidate to spend it on (easily flippable).

Agree. But I’d take it one step further. If we could identify the right player and they are available I’d go ahead and sign or trade/sign them longterm. We’ve dumped all the 30 somethings with large contracts so backfilling is a big part of what comes next. Only so much adding can feasibly be done each off-season so starting now with the right core player could be wise.

I don't disagree. I just don't think the Cardinals are interested in signing anyone (including extending their own) until the new CBA is in place. Trading for, possibly under very favorable circumstances, but unlikely.

Not saying I agree with that policy (if it is indeed the case), just that I think it is, so I'm not wasting any time expecting or hoping it happens.

Probably true. But I’d say this CBA negotiation has happened to come along at the absolute worst time to maximize dragging out the actual building part of our rebuild.

Meanwhile other teams will make bets on the future and might benefit at our future expense.

Unfortunate or where Bill likes it? He kept Mo a year everyone knew he should have been gone...

[imyourhuckleberry]

I don't have an issue with any of that and those players seem like they would be exactly what the Cardinals are looking for (re: short term, reasonably priced).

The only question is are the Cardinals what they are looking for? They are likely looking for a team in better position to win and won't sign until they're reasonably sure that offer isn't out there.

Agreed, with so many teams looking for pitching that actually have a chance at the playoffs, I don't see why they would want to sign with us. Plus we are looking to slash payroll drastically and I'm not sure we would go to what it takes to sign these guys. I would be surprised if we sign anyone for more than $6-8 million.

I can see them pay a higher price for one year, assuming the pitcher in question is agreeable.

Edit: I'm not a doom and gloom salary guy. I think they'll be willing to spend on one year deals, if they can find a decent candidate to spend it on (easily flippable).

Agree. But I’d take it one step further. If we could identify the right player and they are available I’d go ahead and sign or trade/sign them longterm. We’ve dumped all the 30 somethings with large contracts so backfilling is a big part of what comes next. Only so much adding can feasibly be done each off-season so starting now with the right core player could be wise.

I don't disagree. I just don't think the Cardinals are interested in signing anyone (including extending their own) until the new CBA is in place. Trading for, possibly under very favorable circumstances, but unlikely.

Not saying I agree with that policy (if it is indeed the case), just that I think it is, so I'm not wasting any time expecting or hoping it happens.

Probably true. But I’d say this CBA negotiation has happened to come along at the absolute worst time to maximize dragging out the actual building part of our rebuild.

Meanwhile other teams will make bets on the future and might benefit at our future expense.

Agree on the timing.

[Cardinals4Life]

I get the youth movement.

With that, the innings are many and the proven arms are few.

Thoughts:
Sign Quintana - trade at deadline
Sign Montgomery - don’t trade this season but he will be ready to pitch mid season and could cover innings later in the season.
Sign Andrew Chafin - trade at the deadline.

Trade Romero NOW - get a decent prospect
Add a legit righty bat who can hit lefties.

What about Max Scherzer? He is very near the end of his career but he grew up a Cardinals fan. This would give him a chance to play for his hometown team. He would bring good PR to the Cardinals/DeWitts. His signing would encourage fans to return. Scherzer would a good veteran to help this young staff. Busch Stadium is a friendly park for pitchers.

I understand that Scherzer most likely wants to go to a contender but he remains unsigned. Bloom could offer him a deal and let him know that if the Cardinals are not in contention at the trade deadline that he would try to trade him to a contender that Scherzer would be interested in.

Scherzer becomes more interesting each passing week.

[CCard]

I get the youth movement.

With that, the innings are many and the proven arms are few.

Thoughts:
Sign Quintana - trade at deadline
Sign Montgomery - don’t trade this season but he will be ready to pitch mid season and could cover innings later in the season.
Sign Andrew Chafin - trade at the deadline.

Trade Romero NOW - get a decent prospect
Add a legit righty bat who can hit lefties.

Quintana....Maybe, but his sell by date is probably come and gone.
Montgomery...No
Chafin...Purely as a reliever he might be okay. WHIP not bad but he is 35

Trade Romero? Why? A good lefty reliever. Why trade him at all? In fact, extend him.
Adding a righty bat could help but if they aren't going to go get good pitching it's a waste.