If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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Wetherholt will likely be at 2B. Donovan would start somewhere. Something has to give at 3B or LF. DH might be an option if Herrera, indeed, can handle being the starting catcher. And is Walker a sure thing as a productive starting RF? And what if Church outhits Scott?
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Re: If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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Trade them please
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Re: If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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Why do there need to be 10 different threads started every about the same topic?
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Carp4Cy wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:37 pm Trade them please
Pretty please
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Re: If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:33 pm Wetherholt will likely be at 2B. Donovab would start somewhere. Something has to give at 3B or LF. DH might be an option if Herrera, indeed, can handle being the starting catcher.
Once Nootbaar is recovered from offseason surgery, he plays LF or RF. Donovan plays 3B or 2B. If Nootbaar isn’t ready until May, Donovan can play in the OF. Gorman can DH and spot start at the corners or 2B.

C - Herrera/Pages/Crooks
1B - Burleson/Gorman
2B - Donovan/Wetherholt/Saggese
3B - Wetherholt/Donovan/Gorman
SS - Winn/Wetherholt
LF - Nootbaar/Donovan/Church/Saggese
CF - Scott/Church
RF - Walker/Nootbaar/Donovan/Saggese
DH - Gorman/Herrera/Saggese

It’s a long season. Injuries, slumps etc. Donovan staying with the team isn’t a logistical concern. Everyone’s just waiting around to see if a team is going to pony up the prospects bloom is asking to pry BD away from us.
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Re: If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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rage-STL wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:54 pm
Shady wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:33 pm Wetherholt will likely be at 2B. Donovab would start somewhere. Something has to give at 3B or LF. DH might be an option if Herrera, indeed, can handle being the starting catcher.
Once Nootbaar is recovered from offseason surgery, he plays LF or RF. Donovan plays 3B or 2B. If Nootbaar isn’t ready until May, Donovan can play in the OF. Gorman can DH and spot start at the corners or 2B.

C - Herrera/Pages/Crooks
1B - Burleson/Gorman
2B - Donovan/Wetherholt/Saggese
3B - Wetherholt/Donovan/Gorman
SS - Winn/Wetherholt
LF - Nootbaar/Donovan/Church/Saggese
CF - Scott/Church
RF - Walker/Nootbaar/Donovan/Saggese
DH - Gorman/Herrera/Saggese

It’s a long season. Injuries, slumps etc. Donovan staying with the team isn’t a logistical concern. Everyone’s just waiting around to see if a team is going to pony up the prospects bloom is asking to pry BD away from us.
I could see Saggese really coming on offensively. That would really add to the competition at some positions. Or he could be a valuable supersub.
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Re: If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:33 pm Wetherholt will likely be at 2B. Donovan would start somewhere. Something has to give at 3B or LF. DH might be an option if Herrera, indeed, can handle being the starting catcher.
“If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?” “Something has to give at 3B or LF.”
Hmm, sounds vaguely familiar . . .
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Re: If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:33 pm Wetherholt will likely be at 2B. Donovan would start somewhere. Something has to give at 3B or LF. DH might be an option if Herrera, indeed, can handle being the starting catcher. And is Walker a sure thing as a productive starting RF? And what if Church outhits Scott?
you already covered this exact same topic 2 weeks ago. You got the answers then. And you turned it into a Saggese thread a few replies later. And....you turned this one into a Saggese thread with the 4th reply this time.

Why not bump the old thread, if you weren't totally sure or forgot what the Cards would do? We all the know the answer.

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craviduce wrote: 24 Jan 2026 18:09 pm
Shady wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:33 pm Wetherholt will likely be at 2B. Donovan would start somewhere. Something has to give at 3B or LF. DH might be an option if Herrera, indeed, can handle being the starting catcher. And is Walker a sure thing as a productive starting RF? And what if Church outhits Scott?
you already covered this exact same topic 2 weeks ago. You got the answers then. And you turned it into a Saggese thread a few replies later. And....you turned this one into a Saggese thread with the 4th reply this time.

Why not bump the old thread, if you weren't totally sure or forgot what the Cards would do? We all the know the answer.

:roll:
Guru, your anal sphincter just gets too tight over trivial stuff. Just try to relax and enjoy CT. Your reporting attention is right around the corner.
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Re: If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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The clear answer should be Herrera catches, Gorman DHs, JJ plays 2B and Donovan plays 3B. This is a throw away year. If Herrera sucks behind the plate, it doesn’t matter. There will likely be positions available to Herrera in 2027 as some players may play themselves out of town
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Jeff Goldblum wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:44 pm Why do there need to be 10 different threads started every about the same topic?
To seek attention as he's a lonely loser
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Re: If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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NYCardsFan wrote: 24 Jan 2026 18:03 pm
Shady wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:33 pm Wetherholt will likely be at 2B. Donovan would start somewhere. Something has to give at 3B or LF. DH might be an option if Herrera, indeed, can handle being the starting catcher.
“If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?” “Something has to give at 3B or LF.”
Hmm, sounds vaguely familiar . . .
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Shady wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:33 pm Wetherholt will likely be at 2B. Donovan would start somewhere. Something has to give at 3B or LF. DH might be an option if Herrera, indeed, can handle being the starting catcher. And is Walker a sure thing as a productive starting RF? And what if Church outhits Scott?
There's no guarantee that Wetherholt even makes the team out of spring. I imagine 3b is Gorman's to lose. Donovan at second and all around the diamond probably, at least until he's traded. Noot will be in left until he's injured. Scott and Walker will play until they succeed or fail so bad that fans and the media run them out of town. Hererra will catch until he bobbles enough balls to force them to put him at DH permanently. Saggese will float around and be a bench bat. The only constant that can be counted on day in and day out is Winn. Burleson will play first and probably butcher it. If JJ does make it out of spring then he probably plays 2nd and Donovan (if he hasn't been traded) will probably platoon with Noot and spell Walker and Gorman some. I really hope JJ works out but I've seen too many guys get to the majors only to realize they don't know how to hit in the majors.
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Re: If Donovan stays, what do the Cardinals do with Nootbaar and Gorman?

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Shady wrote: 24 Jan 2026 17:33 pm Wetherholt will likely be at 2B. Donovan would start somewhere. Something has to give at 3B or LF. DH might be an option if Herrera, indeed, can handle being the starting catcher. And is Walker a sure thing as a productive starting RF? And what if Church outhits Scott?
IF Donny is still here (doubtful but I'll play along):

-Donny will be in 3B

-Noot will then be in LF (at least until he's traded) when he's ready

-Gorman would share the DH slot w/I. Hererra (when Ivan's not catching...........if he's even catching)

But Oli could also slot Donny in LF (until Noot's ready) and Gorman at 3rd Base but this isn't the optimal defensive alignment.

I would NOT make J. Walker the starting RF but Oli has sounded off in interviews and say's he wants him up here, we'll see if C. Bloom agrees.

VSII will be in CF.

Church could get a shot in the OF if Noot's not ready and/or Walker is at Memphis (and I wouldn't be surprised if they give T. Saggese an OF'ers glove this spring and tell him to learn the position......but only as a fourth OFer).
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woofy25 wrote: 24 Jan 2026 22:03 pm The clear answer should be Herrera catches, Gorman DHs, JJ plays 2B and Donovan plays 3B. This is a throw away year. If Herrera sucks behind the plate, it doesn’t matter. There will likely be positions available to Herrera in 2027 as some players may play themselves out of town
Good points.
Herrera catching definitely deepens the lineup from an offensive standpoint.
It gets a little trickier from a defensive standpoint.
Herrera is probably the weakest of the current catching options(Pages/Pozo/Crooks) followed by Bernal(late 2026?) and Rodriguez(2027?).
So the question becomes...do they give Herrera another shot in 2026 OR use the upcoming season to acclimate him to a different position?
Guess we’ll find out.
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Cusecards wrote: 25 Jan 2026 11:48 am
woofy25 wrote: 24 Jan 2026 22:03 pm The clear answer should be Herrera catches, Gorman DHs, JJ plays 2B and Donovan plays 3B. This is a throw away year. If Herrera sucks behind the plate, it doesn’t matter. There will likely be positions available to Herrera in 2027 as some players may play themselves out of town
Good points.
Herrera catching definitely deepens the lineup from an offensive standpoint.
It gets a little trickier from a defensive standpoint.
Herrera is probably the weakest of the current catching options(Pages/Pozo/Crooks) followed by Bernal(late 2026?) and Rodriguez(2027?).
So the question becomes...do they give Herrera another shot in 2026 OR use the upcoming season to acclimate him to a different position?
Guess we’ll find out.
Sounds like he got the surgery specifically to help him behind the plate. I’d imagine his primary position going into ST is Catcher