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Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
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Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
Joe Kelly retires will no longer play baseball.
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Re: Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
5.3 career bWAR. 3.4 bWAR for STL. His best pitching was in STL.
7.2 career fWAR. 0.3 fWAR for STL. His best pitching was not in STL.
3.25 ERA in 266 IP for STL but a 3.99 FIP which accounts for the big difference.
Fun stuff with WAR.
7.2 career fWAR. 0.3 fWAR for STL. His best pitching was not in STL.
3.25 ERA in 266 IP for STL but a 3.99 FIP which accounts for the big difference.
Fun stuff with WAR.
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Re: Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
Indeed. Two of the biggest deficiencies in WAR (IMO) is valuing relief pitchers and catcher defense. It just doesn’t do a very good job in those areas.cardstatman wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 09:41 am 5.3 career bWAR. 3.4 bWAR for STL. His best pitching was in STL.
7.2 career fWAR. 0.3 fWAR for STL. His best pitching was not in STL.
3.25 ERA in 266 IP for STL but a 3.99 FIP which accounts for the big difference.
Fun stuff with WAR.
Not sure there’s an easy fix for either though. RP performance can be so volatile simply due to the sample size of IP being so limited generally. There’s just not enough quantity to even out 1-2 bad outings.
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Re: Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
Over his career Kelly struck out only 6.5 / 9IP in his 81 starts (433 IP) but struck out 10.1 / 9IP in his 404 relief appearances (406 IP).
I think his fastball was around 96 as a starter but 98-99 as a reliever. Also his sinker gained velocity as a reliever.
Current/recent STL starters K / 9IP
9.0 Gray
9.0 Lynn
8.4 Matz
8.1 May
7.3 Gibson
7.2 Liberatore
6.9 Fedde
6.8 Dobbins
6.6 Pallante
6.3 Fitts
6.4 Mikolas
5.8 McGreevy
I think his fastball was around 96 as a starter but 98-99 as a reliever. Also his sinker gained velocity as a reliever.
Current/recent STL starters K / 9IP
9.0 Lynn
8.4 Matz
8.1 May
7.2 Liberatore
6.8 Dobbins
6.6 Pallante
6.3 Fitts
5.8 McGreevy
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Re: Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
Say it ain't so, Joe. Not really.cardstatman wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 09:25 am Joe Kellyretireswill no longer play baseball.
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Yikes!cardstatman wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 10:11 am Over his career Kelly struck out only 6.5 / 9IP in his 81 starts (433 IP) but struck out 10.1 / 9IP in his 404 relief appearances (406 IP).
I think his fastball was around 96 as a starter but 98-99 as a reliever. Also his sinker gained velocity as a reliever.
Current/recent STL starters K / 9IP
9.0 Gray
9.0 Lynn
8.4 Matz
8.1 May
7.3 Gibson
7.2 Liberatore
6.9 Fedde
6.8 Dobbins
6.6 Pallante
6.3 Fitts
6.4 Mikolas
5.8 McGreevy
D'ya think there could be room in the starting rotation for a strikeout pitcher? Hmm . . . I guess we don't have any such candidates, huh?
Re: Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
Really nice, seemingly fun, career.cardstatman wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 09:25 am Joe Kellyretireswill no longer play baseball.
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4 WS, 3 rings. Dodgers fans love him.
Re: Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
Agree, nice job, Joe! Enjoy "no longer playing" baseball!ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 11:09 amReally nice, seemingly fun, career.cardstatman wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 09:25 am Joe Kellyretireswill no longer play baseball.
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4 WS, 3 rings. Dodgers fans love him.
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Re: Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
Always enjoyed his antics when he was Cardinal.
A postseason celebration with Matt Adam's on Fox sports where they spit beer into each other's mouths was the damm dest thing I've ever scene in one of those celebrations.
A postseason celebration with Matt Adam's on Fox sports where they spit beer into each other's mouths was the damm dest thing I've ever scene in one of those celebrations.
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Re: Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
Dancing With the Stars now?


Re: Joe Kelly will no longer play baseball
Made 60 million, nice career for what he was.