To reiterate where the Cardinals are going...

[mattmitchl44]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

[AnExParrot]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

What you've just posted makes way too much sense for it to have any impact on the intended audience.

[An Old Friend]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

I just don't have optimism around the whole spending thing. Where is the revenue coming from?

[Ozziesfan41]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

What you've just posted makes way too much sense for it to have any impact on the intended audience.

+1 the cry babies will continue to cry and ignore all facts and reason

[TraveledLessRoad]

Also, factor in the fact that we play in a Division that is significantly weaker than Cle and Tampa...to support your point even further

[Goldfan]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

I just don't have optimism around the whole spending thing. Where is the revenue coming from?

Arby’s has a nice roastbeef but I’m more of a Lion’s Choice fella

[mattmitchl44]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

I just don't have optimism around the whole spending thing. Where is the revenue coming from?

The Cardinals will rebuild the organization, spend what they can/will, start winning 88+ games again, attendance will come back up to 3+ million, and then spending will then find whatever level it is going to balance out at.

[zoiks]

The Cardinals will need for their tv revenue to stay at its current lowered value longterm and for the next CBA to not change MLB draft rules so the Cardinals qualify for the competitive balance draft picks every year that teams like the Rays and Brewers receive. Running a team like that can get your team into the playoffs, but you then get crushed by the half-dozen or so teams actually trying to win.

[Goldfan]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

I just don't have optimism around the whole spending thing. Where is the revenue coming from?

The Cardinals will rebuild the organization, spend what they can/will, start winning 88+ games again, attendance will come back up to 3+ million, and then spending will then find whatever level it is going to balance out at.

I REALLY doubt attendance comes back unless legit stars are on the field and WINNING

[Jatalk]

This is great news. All we have to do is lower payroll and WE ARE IN!!!!

[An Old Friend]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

I just don't have optimism around the whole spending thing. Where is the revenue coming from?

The Cardinals will rebuild the organization, spend what they can/will, start winning 88+ games again, attendance will come back up to 3+ million, and then spending will then find whatever level it is going to balance out at.

I think this new brain trust can build what they have done in those other cities. I just expect them to also spend kind of like those cities absent some unforeseen revenue opportunity.

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from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

You must be blue in the face by now. Nice summary, but I'm not all that sanguine about outspending the Milwaukees of MLB by 50+%.

[Goldfan]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

I just don't have optimism around the whole spending thing. Where is the revenue coming from?

The Cardinals will rebuild the organization, spend what they can/will, start winning 88+ games again, attendance will come back up to 3+ million, and then spending will then find whatever level it is going to balance out at.

Stop with this. The Cardinals have WON 11 WS and were drawing 3.2-3.5 mill fans each season BEFORE this Ownership/FO killed this team. You demean yourself and Cardinals fans who have poured $$ into this owners pockets the last 25yrs to now compare us to Tampa PHuckingBay because the OWNER and A COMPLETE FOOL methodically destroyed the team and fanbase.
Attendance #’s for our “PEERS”
Cleveland
2mil
2
1.8
1.3
1.1
1.7

Mil
2.6mil
2.5
2.4
1.8
2.9
2.8

TB
786,000
1.3
1.4
1.1
761,000
1.2
1.1

[Goldfan]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

I just don't have optimism around the whole spending thing. Where is the revenue coming from?

The Cardinals will rebuild the organization, spend what they can/will, start winning 88+ games again, attendance will come back up to 3+ million, and then spending will then find whatever level it is going to balance out at.

Stop with this. The Cardinals have WON 11 WS and were drawing 3.2-3.5 mill fans each season BEFORE this Ownership/FO killed this team. You demean yourself and Cardinals fans who have poured $$ into this owners pockets the last 25yrs to now compare us to Tampa PHuckingBay because the OWNER and A COMPLETE FOOL methodically destroyed the team and fanbase.
Attendance #’s for our “PEERS”
Cleveland
2mil
2
1.8
1.3
1.1
1.7

Mil
2.6mil
2.5
2.4
1.8
2.9
2.8

TB
786,000
1.3
1.4
1.1
761,000
1.2
1.1

If Cleveland could “afford” 97mil on HALF of STL attendance…. Then there is no reason STL payroll should’ve ever been below180mil. Stop making excuses for POOR Ownership management.

[cardstatman]

Also, factor in the fact that we play in a Division that is significantly weaker than Cle and Tampa...to support your point even further

Tampa plays in the only division tougher than the NL Central. The media lies to you. Check the facts.

There is no division weaker than Cleveland's division.

[Jatalk]

from 2015-2025, but not counting the shortened 2020 season:

Cleveland has averaged 89 wins on an average payroll of $97 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Milwaukee has averaged 88 wins on an average payroll of $101 million. They made the playoffs six times.

Tampa Bay has averaged 86 wins on an average payroll of $75 million. They made the playoffs four times.

The Cardinals also averaged 86 wins, but on an average payroll of $155 million and made the playoffs four times.

So, if the Cardinals can get their organization in shape like Cleveland, Milwaukee, Tampa Bay AND outspend them by 50+%, they should have considerable success going forward. That's the goal.

I just don't have optimism around the whole spending thing. Where is the revenue coming from?

The Cardinals will rebuild the organization, spend what they can/will, start winning 88+ games again, attendance will come back up to 3+ million, and then spending will then find whatever level it is going to balance out at.

Stop with this. The Cardinals have WON 11 WS and were drawing 3.2-3.5 mill fans each season BEFORE this Ownership/FO killed this team. You demean yourself and Cardinals fans who have poured $$ into this owners pockets the last 25yrs to now compare us to Tampa PHuckingBay because the OWNER and A COMPLETE FOOL methodically destroyed the team and fanbase.
Attendance #’s for our “PEERS”
Cleveland
2mil
2
1.8
1.3
1.1
1.7

Mil
2.6mil
2.5
2.4
1.8
2.9
2.8

TB
786,000
1.3
1.4
1.1
761,000
1.2
1.1

If Cleveland could “afford” 97mil on HALF of STL attendance…. Then there is no reason STL payroll should’ve ever been below180mil. Stop making excuses for POOR Ownership management.

Now I’m confused. Management has something to do with success? Not just lowering payroll